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slicedbread

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I'm working with a guy on an engagement ring who multiple friends and family members have used and trust. They were all very happy with his work. I'm down to 2 stones

One is a 1.7 VS2 I Princess cut with Excellent polish, Very good symmetry (i don't really understand how when its 6.44 x 6.41 mm) and no fluorescence. My only concern is that the inclusion that I can see in the video below. I have been told that it is eye clean but am not sure

https://diamanti.s3.amazonaws.com/video/Vision360.html?d=181127-148

The other option is a 1.52 VS2 G that is also excellent polish and very good symmetry. I have seen this one personally and know it is eye clean and has that good fire.

I am working on trying to get somebody I trust to take a look at it before I make a decision but I may not be able to make that happen.

Both are similarly priced. Does anybody have any input on if they think that the inclusion I can see under 10x in this video would be visible in person.
 
That's a tough one. How good is your and your girl's vision? For a diamond with a large, flat table (e.g., princess, emerald cut, asscher), I find dark inclusions more visible than on stones with smaller and more topologically complex crowns.

Symmetry is not just a measure of the degree of squareness, it is a measured for all the facets in the 3D shape. But, depending on why it was dinged, it could impact light return. Can they provide an ASET image? If not, you might want to get your own hand-held scope and take images we can help you with.

https://www.gia.edu/diamond-polish-symmetry-guide-terminology-abbreviation.

I don't know your budget or the cost of this stone, but you can find a super-ideal precision cut princess cut for $10.056 - $13478. So, if the quote for either of these exceed that range, I would check out Whiteflash first. At the very least, you can learn from the IS (idealscope) and ASET images provided and see how 'your' stone compares.

These are examples from Whiteflash for reference.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-di...07489,3971434,3971432,4017822,3986319,3971437

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Appreciate the input. I think I'm fairly locked in to one of these 2. If I could have somebody look at it and verify its eye clean and has the fire I'm looking for than I would definitely go with the 1.7. The price he's quoting me is on the lower side of that spectrum and fair.

I don't have access to an ASET. I have the certificates for both but the ASET is something they would have to take separately?

My vision is ok but girls always seem to see things better than us. Most definitely neither of us are experts or gemologists and I think I've learned more about them in the past 3-4 months than I ever thought I would

Edit: looking at the cert it looks like there is a small extra facet which is probably why the drop in symmetry
 
Are these stones graded by GIA or AGS? If not ...
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Both GIA
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6242089645
 
both right around 10,700
 
Both those stones have really big tables. The 1.7 has a very square table. Do you have a pic of the 1.5 stone?
 
I’m no cut expert but with fancies you can’t really tell light performance without an ASET which is taken separately for each stone. You can buy one yourself and examine it when you receive the loose stone. And eye clean is subjective. I don’t consider stone eye clean unless I need a 10x loupe to find the inclusion. I hold the stone up super close to scrutinize it. Others say 12 inches and others say 6. It depends on how much you care or you’re GF cares.
 
I don't but I have seen it in person and as an amateur it definitely had the fire I'm looking for
 
tyty333 said:
Both those stones have really big tables. The 1.7 has a very square table. Do you have a pic of the 1.5 stone?
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I know the table is the top but what does a big table mean in terms of look of the diamond
 
slicedbread said:
I know the table is the top but what does a big table mean in terms of look of the diamond
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More interesting to look at. I dont find that 1.7 to be all that interesting to look at....YMMV. Very 2 dimensional That 1.7 I isnt priced
all that well either. You could have a super ideal branded stone for those specs and $ amount. See how the table has an interesting shape on this one
(angled also smaller).
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut-loose-diamond-3971432.htm

I do think the 1.7 you posted would have decent light return because the facets are well defined. I'm not seeing any mush. An ASET would be needed for a definitive answer.

Edit...that 1.7 that I've posted has an ASET image, an Idealscope image, a video, an AGS report that shows that the stone gets the highest grade in light performance, symmetry and polish (AGS000). You should be
getting that info for $10,700. *also a stone that looks eye-clean
 
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I definitely know that specs wise I would be able to find something better/cheaper online but with the jeweler I'm working with is already custom designing the shank and my time crunch I'd be better off with one of his I think. It's also some peace of mind that it's somebody I trust (and I get that he is definitely taking his cut) and can go back to for service, etc.
 
I do appreciate the input and help though! Just an amateur here trying to get through this process for the first and only time!
 
slicedbread - I don’t know. You are dropping a lot of $ on a diamond that people have some questions about. Can you take the diamond to an independent appraiser before buying? Has it been graded by GIA or AGS? The service issue is not worth much in my opinion. My jeweler didn’t get me any of my diamonds yet he’ll clean and check prongs whenever I come in. Most good jewelers are happy to do so. And he always loupes everything I bring in. Why ask here if you are don’t want to hear what people think? I’m not picking on you - just asking.
 
These were graded by GIA. The original question was for an opinion about if that spot seen under loupe on the video would be visible to the naked eye.

I'm definitely interested in everybody's opinion and appreciate it but this far into the process with my timeline its going to be harder to get an outside stone
 
caf said:
slicedbread - I don’t know. You are dropping a lot of $ on a diamond that people have some questions about. Can you take the diamond to an independent appraiser before buying? Has it been graded by GIA or AGS? The service issue is not worth much in my opinion. My jeweler didn’t get me any of my diamonds yet he’ll clean and check prongs whenever I come in. Most good jewelers are happy to do so. And he always loupes everything I bring in. Why ask here if you are don’t want to hear what people think? I’m not picking on you - just asking.
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slicedbread said:
Does anybody have any input on if they think that the inclusion I can see under 10x in this video would be visible in person.
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He asked the above question. We answered and then offered more info. He did not ask us about the cut or other properties. I'm all for education, but I don't find it fair to rebuke (even very very mildly as you have done) when we are answering a question he did not ask.
 
I can't get past the captch thanks to flash being blocked on my machine. But, you can try to look on EnchantedDiamonds, Pricescope search engine, and B2C for the diamonds here. Search for Princess with the exact weight, clarity and color. Then, you'll have to manually wade through to see if they have the same GIA number. Some interfaces allow you to add table, girdle and such. That also narrows the field for you. Sometimes they have more information, including live video and ASET, on the same stone.

You can buy your own ASET and take an image once your jeweler has the stone in hand.
https://datlas.com/ideal-scope-store/the-new-professional-kit/

If your jeweler does not have one, maybe he'll like to keep it and give you a credit for the price...?
 
I had all of this written out before seeing @rockysalamander's post. If you only want to know about the inclusion, I would not buy a diamond with a black speck in the middle of the table. It "should" be eye clean but you said your gf has better vision than you. If she is at all nearsighted, she might see it. Especially in a princess cut, as opposed to a round.

Anyway, congrats on this happy time in your life!

Don't read the below if you're not interested.

It seems like there have been a lot of new posters lately who are in a hurry. I would take the time to get the best diamond you can for the money. You can mail order an ASET scope to check out your jeweler's diamonds, but that will take time.

Don't rush and settle because of the illusion that you're getting some future special service by using a local jeweler. Not to say that you're not being offered a top notch diamond, but without the ASET you can't be sure. Too many people come here after they have bought diamonds that don't look nearly as nice outside of the jewelry store lights and then it may be impossible to undo the mistake.
 
I've reached out to him to ask for an ASET. I'm also looking into the process with using my own stone with the jeweler. Thanks for all the advice!
 
I'm sure he has the ASET, its just the stone is not on location but is in California
 
I agree with LLJsmom, I would be concerned that the inclusion can be seen. One persons idea of 'eye-clean' can be very different to another persons, especially in a princess (I have a princess too). I think it's good that you're looking in to the process of using your own stone. There's so much help available on here if you decide to source your own.

Good luck, please keep us posted.
 
@slicedbread, Don't assume that your vendor has an ASET scope. Most jewelers don't. That's why I suggested buying your own. Can your jeweler call in the diamond with no obligation that you buy it?
 
I think that newbie and novice buyers think that it’s possible to tell certain information with a GIA report, but it really isn’t. I think Psers just Need to let them know. Sorry OP. You’re just learning about what you don’t know and what others need to know In order to help you. If you are under a time crunch and Cannot be flexible from whom you buy, it will be difficult for people to help you.
 
@slicedbread, the diamond that @Dancing Fire posted above is a fantastic diamond.

White Flash has an amazing upgrade policy (even if you think you'll never need it, it's nice to have. Many people have upgraded after thinking they never would).

That diamond is from Whiteflash's A Cut Above line, which is their super ideal line. It's as good as it gets.

Personally, I would snap it up right away. They have all of the images and a video to prove it's top rate and they also have a fantastic return policy so there is no risk.
 
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