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Engagement Ring in a Rush - Advice Needed

IslandJ

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Hi All,

First I'd like to thank everyone for contributing to this site. Just from lurking I've been able to narrow down the specs of the diamond I'm looking to purchase.

I currently live in Grand Cayman/Cayman Islands but will be heading to NY next month. From what I've gathered, it seems unless you know your diamonds your best bet is to NOT purchase a diamond on the Caribbean Islands. However, I'm only going to be back to NY for a few days (pretty much only have Saturday and Sunday to shop) so I'm not sure if it's feasible to purchase an engagement ring within that time.

1.) Is that time frame too short? I think that I could probably purchase a loose diamond and have it appraised in NY, but then I'd like to have it set at the same time. Being a New Yorker, I'd be a bit wary of having the diamond set on island. They could swap the diamond and I'd be none the wiser. Plus I hear the craftsmanship is hit or miss. Definitely wouldn't want the diamond to fall off the setting either. Then there's also the issue of getting the ring resized.

2.) Any recommendations or things to look for when getting the diamond insured? Google tells me that I'd just need to have it appraised and provide a receipt. As I'd like to have the diamond insured ASAP could anyone provide some insight to how long the process takes and if they tend to cover if I live overseas? It'd suck if I lost it on the plane ride.

3.) Can anyone recommend any B&M stores in NYC to go to and to avoid for the sake of time? If anyone has had any great experiences with purchasing from a dealer in Grand Cayman I'd be happy to hear that too. That would actually take a lot of pressure off caused from the time constraint.

Summary in case above is too long
Looking to purchase an engagement ring in NYC within a two day time span (unless convinced otherwise).
Would like to have the diamond purchased and set (if purchased separately), appraised, sized, and insured.
I'm open to all options at the moment so any recommendations and advice would greatly appreciated!

Side note: I did consider online retailers but shipping is spotty here so that wouldn't work. I could possibly have it shipped to a friend but then that would require me to carry around a very expensive tiny piece of diamond in my pocket while looking for a setting (I don't trust myself around expensive things). I'm also a very visual person. I feel like I'd be disappointed if I had the ring made online and it didn't come out the way I envisioned. Then I'd also have to deal with the return. Although, I am open to the suggestion if the argument is compelling enough. Example, savings. If I can the best bang for my buck through blue nile than through a B&M it might be worth taking the risk. If you do recommend going through an online retailer, a source would be appreciated (Blue Nile, James Allen, etc...)
 
Can you be there to shop on Fri too? ERD and IDJ are closed on weekends. Call them before you go: http://www.engagementringsdirect.com/,,, http://idjewelryonline.com/index.php

GOG is open on Saturdays but they're out in Massapequa: http://www.goodoldgold.com/ContactUs/ Definitely worth the trip!

These are highly-regarded, PS-recommended dealers. You won't go wrong.

What's your budget, stone parameters, etc? Do as much of the prelim work online or over the phone so you can show up and close.

- A fellow New Yorker
 
Online sellers - Brian Gavin, Whiteflash, James Allen. Very well regarded on PS. Have the finished ring shipped to someone in NY. Choose a simple setting in order to save time, unless the lady has other ideas. Don't do Blue Nile - they don't provide ASETs or Idealscope images, which you need in order to judge light performance, especially if you're buying online.
 
Hello,
I live in NYC and know two reputable jewelers where I have purchased diamond jewelry from. What is your budget?
What type of diamond are you looking for?
 
Hi Lioness,

Thanks for the recommendations. Might be a stupid question, but have you purchased jewelry from any of them before? If so, which of the three would you recommend I check out first? My days are limited unfortunately but it might be worth heading to NYC a day earlier for this.

My biggest fear would be finding out later that I didn't do enough research and realized I overpaid for the diamond. I feel that the odds are higher at a physical store rather than through an online retailer (which I'm starting to lean towards now)

Digging deeper into it now it looks like my parameters keep changing and the price keeps going up ;( . The pictures provided on the James Allen website is a gift and a curse. It's most likely because the pictures are blown out of proportion, (not even going into the 40x magnification) but it makes the inclusions on a VS1 look as clear as day. She has a better eye than me too so if I can see it, she will definitely be able to see it.

I was initially thinking 1.7 carat round diamond, Color: H, Clarity: VS1, Cut: Ideal/Excellent, Fluorescence: None/Slight. Now I'm thinking I should go to VVS2 for clarity. Price jumps another 3K for the change though on James Allen. As this is the only time I plan on buying a diamond engagement ring, I'd suck it up and pay the additional amount if it's worth it.
 
Hi Madison2,

I'm reluctant to set a price. I am looking more for the "value" if you will. I wouldn't want to purchase a diamond and pay the premium for qualities that neither of us would be able to appreciate. With that being said, I am trying to keep it at around 17K if possible.

Would you mind sharing the names of the establishments? I'd greatly appreciate it. If you have a person that you work with directly and trust that would be helpful too. I'm probably going to take lioness' suggestion and call the stores a week before I fly back to NYC. This way I can make sure they currently have the diamonds within my parameters on hand.
 
IslandJ|1403581272|3699752 said:
Hi Lioness,

Thanks for the recommendations. Might be a stupid question, but have you purchased jewelry from any of them before? If so, which of the three would you recommend I check out first? My days are limited unfortunately but it might be worth heading to NYC a day earlier for this.

My biggest fear would be finding out later that I didn't do enough research and realized I overpaid for the diamond. I feel that the odds are higher at a physical store rather than through an online retailer (which I'm starting to lean towards now)

Digging deeper into it now it looks like my parameters keep changing and the price keeps going up ;( . The pictures provided on the James Allen website is a gift and a curse. It's most likely because the pictures are blown out of proportion, (not even going into the 40x magnification) but it makes the inclusions on a VS1 look as clear as day. She has a better eye than me too so if I can see it, she will definitely be able to see it.

I was initially thinking 1.7 carat round diamond, Color: H, Clarity: VS1, Cut: Ideal/Excellent, Fluorescence: None/Slight. Now I'm thinking I should go to VVS2 for clarity. Price jumps another 3K for the change though on James Allen. As this is the only time I plan on buying a diamond engagement ring, I'd suck it up and pay the additional amount if it's worth it.

I'm going to suggest a killer ring that is already put together, and you might be able to get a great price and get it quickly.

1.75ct E VS2 August Vintage Cushion Diamond + Steven Kirsch setting

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/11831
 
IslandJ|1403581272|3699752 said:
Hi Lioness,

Thanks for the recommendations. Might be a stupid question, but have you purchased jewelry from any of them before? If so, which of the three would you recommend I check out first? My days are limited unfortunately but it might be worth heading to NYC a day earlier for this.

My biggest fear would be finding out later that I didn't do enough research and realized I overpaid for the diamond. I feel that the odds are higher at a physical store rather than through an online retailer (which I'm starting to lean towards now)

Digging deeper into it now it looks like my parameters keep changing and the price keeps going up ;( . The pictures provided on the James Allen website is a gift and a curse. It's most likely because the pictures are blown out of proportion, (not even going into the 40x magnification) but it makes the inclusions on a VS1 look as clear as day. She has a better eye than me too so if I can see it, she will definitely be able to see it.

I was initially thinking 1.7 carat round diamond, Color: H, Clarity: VS1, Cut: Ideal/Excellent, Fluorescence: None/Slight. Now I'm thinking I should go to VVS2 for clarity. Price jumps another 3K for the change though on James Allen. As this is the only time I plan on buying a diamond engagement ring, I'd suck it up and pay the additional amount if it's worth it.

Not a stupid question in the least. I haven't purchased from any of them, but if I were in the market now, I'd go to IDJ for a five-stone band and GOG for a grand old cut diamond from their branded August Vintage line. I'd go to all three to check out engagement rings - in a heartbeat - if I weren't head-over-heels in love with mine. FI and I went in a different direction, however - a ruby.

That being said, since you're really tight for time, I think you should check out Whiteflash or Brian Gavin, order the ring and have it delivered to NY so that you're not trying to sprint from the Diamond District to LI.

What do you think of this stone? Whiteflash, certified eye-clean. http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3052140.htm HCA is 1.4.

Or: http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3048657.htm
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3137124.htm

Have it set by them, delivered and BAM! You can enjoy your trip home rather than spending Saturday morning on the LIE.

And yes, the magnification on James Allen is lethal.
 
RockyRacoon|1403583351|3699776 said:
IslandJ|1403581272|3699752 said:
Hi Lioness,

Thanks for the recommendations. Might be a stupid question, but have you purchased jewelry from any of them before? If so, which of the three would you recommend I check out first? My days are limited unfortunately but it might be worth heading to NYC a day earlier for this.

My biggest fear would be finding out later that I didn't do enough research and realized I overpaid for the diamond. I feel that the odds are higher at a physical store rather than through an online retailer (which I'm starting to lean towards now)

Digging deeper into it now it looks like my parameters keep changing and the price keeps going up ;( . The pictures provided on the James Allen website is a gift and a curse. It's most likely because the pictures are blown out of proportion, (not even going into the 40x magnification) but it makes the inclusions on a VS1 look as clear as day. She has a better eye than me too so if I can see it, she will definitely be able to see it.

I was initially thinking 1.7 carat round diamond, Color: H, Clarity: VS1, Cut: Ideal/Excellent, Fluorescence: None/Slight. Now I'm thinking I should go to VVS2 for clarity. Price jumps another 3K for the change though on James Allen. As this is the only time I plan on buying a diamond engagement ring, I'd suck it up and pay the additional amount if it's worth it.

I'm going to suggest a killer ring that is already put together, and you might be able to get a great price and get it quickly.

1.75ct E VS2 August Vintage Cushion Diamond + Steven Kirsch setting

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/11831

Pretty! Does she have teeny-tiny fingers? It's 3.5 and can't be resized.
 
1.7 carat round diamond, Color: H, Clarity: VS1, Cut: Ideal/Excellent, Fluorescence: None/Slight.

VS1 or VS2 ought to be pretty eye-clean at 1.7ct. But diamonds are individuals, so of course you need to verify clean at what distance, and is it clean at tilt and from the side. I lowered my standards on clarity over the years. I don't mind a diamond that isn't completely eyeclean, so long as the inclusions require a bit of study to find.
 
I'm going to suggest a killer ring that is already put together, and you might be able to get a great price and get it quickly.

1.75ct E VS2 August Vintage Cushion Diamond + Steven Kirsch setting
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/11831



Thanks for the sugggestion RockyRacoon!

Tbh I've only been looking at round cuts as I was set on the "classic" look so I'm not too familiar with that cut. That is one stunning looking diamond ring though. Luckily (or unfortunately) for me it's out of my price range (29K with setting), otherwise I'd probably have to go back to the drawing board.
 
Not a stupid question in the least. I haven't purchased from any of them, but if I were in the market now, I'd go to IDJ for a five-stone band and GOG for a grand old cut diamond from their branded August Vintage line. I'd go to all three to check out engagement rings - in a heartbeat - if I weren't head-over-heels in love with mine. FI and I went in a different direction, however - a ruby.

That being said, since you're really tight for time, I think you should check out Whiteflash or Brian Gavin, order the ring and have it delivered to NY so that you're not trying to sprint from the Diamond District to LI.

What do you think of this stone? Whiteflash, certified eye-clean. http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3052140.htm HCA is 1.4.

Or: http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3048657.htm
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3137124.htm

Have it set by them, delivered and BAM! You can enjoy your trip home rather than spending Saturday morning on the LIE.

And yes, the magnification on James Allen is lethal.


I almost forgot how bad traffic can get on the weekends. Thanks for the reminder!

I'm very glad that I decided to create this post. Speaking to you all has made me realize how unprepared I really am. I seem to have more questions the deeper I get into this and I still haven't even looked at settings yet.

1.) Does Whiteflash offer a 360 image of the diamond and or one under magnification? Even though the images provided on James Allen are way out of proportion, it still makes me feel better informed when I decide to purchase a diamond. Finding an inclusion when it's not expected would not be a great surprise.

2.) Is the "A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal" worth it? From my experience, any time a company uses "buzz" words (A Cut Above, Super Ideal) it usually means you're paying a high premium for a low return.

I really like the diamonds you posted. Thanks for helping in the search! In your opinion, do you think it'd be worth the extra 1.5k for the additional size and clarity for the diamond below? I know I'd be paying for the "mind-clean", but sometimes your mind is your worst enemy :D
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3098834.htm#
 
I'm going to leave most of your questions to the dismond experts, however I have a VS1 clarity and I can NOT see any inclusions at all! None! And believe me I study the crap out of it every day ;). So I think you are over paying for the VVS
 
BGD has diamond videos Whiteflash does not. BGD is also in Houston, and Brian Gavin helped start WF before going to start his own 'house' at Brian Gavin Diamonds (BGD). Their stones are very strictly vetted by Brian personally. And they have fantastic settings. I've bought from them many times.

Here are a few for you to consider:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.617-h-vs1-round-diamond-bfg-10337
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.715-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104068964005
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.642-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104071920005

That said, if you want to work with a NY jeweler I highly suggest calling either Good Old Gold or Engagement Rings Direct. Have them call in stones in your budget and spec range for you in time for your appointment (if they don't have anything in house that suits).

And I HIGHLY recommend you consider eyeclean VS2 stones. I have a VS1 and I can't find my inclusions with a loupe. Most VS2's that are eyeclean are indistinguishable from a VVS to the naked eye. And if you are choosing the diamonds in person, then you will be able to loupe and inspect the diamonds yourself.

Also make sure you tell both ERD and GOG that you are looking for 'ideal light return' and they will search out stones for you that have that. And they will show you the Idealscope and show you how to use it and what it does.

Here is one stone that I would recommend: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12213/ Beautiful and you can see it in person (assuming it is still there when you arrive).

GOG also has proprietary cuts you can't get anywhere else like this beauty: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12310/ Which is closer to your original budget.

:wavey:
 
Thanks TC1987 & Candygrl!

I was thinking VVS2 might have been overboard also. It's always good to have some reassurance. I could probably use the additional savings for another aspect of the ring, such as for the setting.
 
Thanks Gypsy for the recommendations!

Just out of curiosity, what makes a Blue Gavin Signature diamond different from a diamond form anywhere else? I always assumed as long as the specs were the same the diamond should be the same, regardless of whether it's a Blue Gavin Signature Diamond, WF A Cut Above.

I would consider a VS2 if I could go into a store and personally inspect it. For the sake of purchasing online though, I'd probably stick to a VS1 though. Less chance being disappointed when it arrives + I won't have the luxury of returning it and waiting for another diamond.


Side note: I appreciate everyone's feedback and advice so far and going forward. I think tomorrow I have a lot of diamond research/cramming to do. This way I can start e-mailing the diamond retailers on this forum. Hopefully I can get everything all sorted out within the next two - three weeks. I'm not sure If I should bump this thread after I've narrowed it down or create a new topic, but I'll make sure to post again when the time draws nearer.

Thanks again everyone!
 
I would call BGD and ask them what makes their diamonds different. To oversimplify it:
They work with a cutting house that cuts diamonds specially for them.
They have very strict standards both for the angles they will accept and the precision of the cut and each diamond is examined a number of times before it gets the BGD Signature brand.

Do you need that level of precision? Well, that's up to you. You can get a lovely diamond without it.

WF has a similar process. Though their ES line of late has been showing diamonds with Idealscopes that show leakage, so I personally feel that you have to be very careful in selecting from their ES line.

But since you were looking at ACA's I thought I'd mention BGD as they are also in Houston. Just to give you more selection!

I should also mention Crafted by Infinity. I'd be shocked if they don't have a vendor in NY. They take the obsession one step further... they source their own rough and have their own in house cutters. And their diamonds are of course cut to extremely exacting standards.

But yes, there are differences between a GIA stone with good HCA and a good idealscope image and a Crafted by Infinity or a BGD signature. The level of cutting precision is very different.
 
GOG also has proprietary cuts you can't get anywhere else like this beauty: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12310/ Which is closer to your original budget.

Additional side note: I hate you Gypsy (only kidding of course). Even though the AVC was lovely, It wasn't what I was looking for. On the other hand, the AVR is a whole new animal you've brought on the table for me. I did a little searching and found a prior post with a YT link comparing the two

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOL-_LiJKdk

The H&A and AVR are both lovely in their own ways. Personally, I'm drawn towards the AVR because of it's uniqueness. I love the flower like appearance when looking at it from above. Of course that doesn't mean she will love it too. Because of the shape, the diamond does look a bit chunkier when comparing the two. I'm about to just give up and ask her what she wants :lol:
 
IslandJ|1403582321|3699770 said:
Hi Madison2,

I'm reluctant to set a price. I am looking more for the "value" if you will. I wouldn't want to purchase a diamond and pay the premium for qualities that neither of us would be able to appreciate. With that being said, I am trying to keep it at around 17K if possible.

Would you mind sharing the names of the establishments? I'd greatly appreciate it. If you have a person that you work with directly and trust that would be helpful too. I'm probably going to take lioness' suggestion and call the stores a week before I fly back to NYC. This way I can make sure they currently have the diamonds within my parameters on hand.

Hi,
I have bought from Nick at Kent Jewelers in the diamond district. One of the few I trust and Nick worked within my budget. I got a 1.71 cushion cut diamond GIA G color with nice spread it looks like a 2.00 ct diamond. He was not pushy and showed my many stones before I made my decision. I told him my budget and he worked with it to make me happy and gain my business. I did go to Mark from ERD first, he is located in an office building. He was nice and knowledgeable but I found he was not flexible on the price of setting and the Center Diamond. I felt like there was no negotiating with him so I moved on and found another jeweler to work with and have been very happy with Nick of Kent.
Good Luck!
 
I LOVE the AVR. There are a couple flavors of them. The differences are the facets under the table.

This one is more of a snowflake: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12315/ and this one a flower: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9487/ and this one is neither of those and has a TEENY table : http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10150/


I didn't even pick up on that. Thanks for pointing that out. I've been watching a bunch of YT videos posted by GOG and did notice variations. I thought it was because of the diamond size (each one for comparison was slightly different in weight). I did notice that the ones with smaller tables didn't have as much (if any) of the snowflake/flower appearance within the diamond.


I'd take ANY of them. But the snowflake is my favorite.

Agreed! At this rate, after all this research, I feel like I'm going to enjoy the ring more than she is. That probably is not good thing also because now my decision is going to very biased. If GOG had an AVR with a pointed culet (and close to my specs) I would've probably reserved one by now. For some reason having a small-large culet bothers me visually.
 
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