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doraemon1284

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Hello,

I been looking around for an emerald diamond engagement ring. Being an emerald cut... it has been a bit difficult in picking one as the HCA tool is for round diamonds.

My budget is around 4000-4500 USD while looking for:

Carot: .95-1.05
Color: E-F (Does not need to be D, I'm totally happy with F)
Clarity VS2+
Cut: VG-I
Ratio: 1.3-1.5

Her main request is that the diamond gives off a good fire. We some a diamond at Cartier which all it gave off was dull single note sparkle, but when we went to De Beers, a diamond of the same carot gave off the wonderful fire she was looking for.

Would these be good to go get an aset for?

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.03-carat-f-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-3264332
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.02-carat-f-color-vs1-clarity-sku-3357934

I know BN's pic isn't be best, but there looks to be some decent choices here...

https://www.bluenile.com/hk/diamond-details/LD08544638
https://www.bluenile.com/hk/diamond-details/LD08685598

Thank you for your helps.
 
ok, so here is what I see
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.03-carat-f-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-3264332 This one looks like it is flashing well but I'm concerned when you look at it straight on there are 3 or more steps that all remain black at once along the outside of the stone.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.02-carat-f-color-vs1-clarity-sku-3357934 The flashing on this one is not going all the way down
into the center (outer steps look good though). I* would eliminate this one.

You're right about BN being harder to evaluate...but here is my* take.
https://www.bluenile.com/hk/diamond-details/LD08544638 This one doesnt look like its flashing in the center but it could be the way the stone is
being rotated.

https://www.bluenile.com/hk/diamond-details/LD08685598 I'm not sure about this one...might be ok??? Just cant really comment.

Edit...do you mind it I look around on JA for some others that might fit your specs?
 
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tyty333 said:
ok, so here is what I see
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.03-carat-f-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-3264332 This one looks like it is flashing well but I'm concerned when you look at it straight on there are 3 or more steps that all remain black at once along the outside of the stone.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.02-carat-f-color-vs1-clarity-sku-3357934 The flashing on this one is not going all the way down
into the center (outer steps look good though). I* would eliminate this one.

You're right about BN being harder to evaluate...but here is my* take.
https://www.bluenile.com/hk/diamond-details/LD08544638 This one doesnt look like its flashing in the center but it could be the way the stone is
being rotated.

https://www.bluenile.com/hk/diamond-details/LD08685598 I'm not sure about this one...might be ok??? Just cant really comment.

Edit...do you mind it I look around on JA for some others that might fit your specs?
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Hi tyty,

Any help is appreciated, if you can find something better on JA, I'll be super grateful. I thought those 3 looks good, but wanted to get more thoughts on them.
 
One key thing is to make sure the flashing is going all the way down into the center of the stone. In some stones it stops about half way down and
has what we call a "dead center".
These were the only other 2 that I thought might have potential. Also (you may already know this), look at the mm size of the stone vs. the carat weight.
Some higher carat stones can be smaller than lower carat weights (have to make sure stone isnt shallow though). Karlk is our step cut expert. Hopefully he'll
stop by this thread.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/0.97-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-sku-3288327
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/0.95-carat-d-color-vs1-clarity-sku-2063197
 
Are you only interested in BN & JA? B2C has recently had some impressive EC's in recent weeks, at reasonable prices. What is your max budget? $4,500?
If you like, I will see if any of the beauties I saw are still available....
 
Matthews1127 said:
Are you only interested in BN & JA? B2C has recently had some impressive EC's in recent weeks, at reasonable prices. What is your max budget? $4,500?
If you like, I will see if any of the beauties I saw are still available....
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I Am open to other sites. Those 2 were just the one I see most often. Let me look at b2c as well.
 
https://www.pricescope.com/diamonds/emerald/1_02-carat-f-color-vvs2-clarity-573810

https://www.pricescope.com/diamonds/emerald/1_01-carat-f-color-vvs2-clarity-3490283

This is my favorite photo!!! I literally GASPED out loud, when it popped up...lol!! :mrgreen2:

https://www.pricescope.com/diamonds/emerald/0_96-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-1079878
Obviously, you must contact B2C Jewels & request more information, and videos, ASET, etc to determine if you fall in love with any of the above that I* have posted! I* found 12 total EC's at B2C, exclusively, that fit all of your specs. These are just 3 that caught my eye...you may decide to keep looking, and that's completely fine. EC's are difficult little buggers. Asschers are the same; very difficult to find the "right one". ;)2
 
I didnt look at the videos but looking at the pics your doing good tyty333.
When the steps show up dark black like that on a JA pic in the first one that would be blue in ASET.
 
Karl_K said:
Matthews1127, your doing good. I think you found some with a lot of potential.
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Thank you, @Karl_K. Even if the OP decides against any of the stones I offered as a guide, hopefully, the information and comparison will help make the search a little easier, and assist in narrowing down the final decision. ;)2
 
Thanks tyty and Matthews. I will go ask for additional details on the diamonds on B2C. It is good to get help from people that knows what they are talking about.
 
doraemon1284 said:
Thanks tyty and Matthews. I will go ask for additional details on the diamonds on B2C. It is good to get help from people that knows what they are talking about.
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@doraemon1284
I* do not have personal experience working with B2C...I believe that needs to be clarified. I've heard good things about B2C, here, on PS, and I had been browsing PS vendors for an EC for another PSer, and that is where I spotted some really beautiful EC's for great prices. JA, and BN are also reputable, here. I have compared BN to other online vendors, and my own B & M jeweler, and I* find them to be a little more pricy.
I implore you to inquire about any discount you may receive by using a PS vendor, B2C's (or any online vendor's) return/refund/upgrade policies. Some will put the diamond on hold, and ship it to you for closer, in person, examination, some do not.
Please get as much info as you possibly can to determine which stone fits your expectations, and your budget. As @Karl_K mentioned, as did I*, ASET will be useful to determine if any of the diamonds listed here, as well as your own, will have those dead, dark areas near the center, or along the top steps. P3 step placement is imprortant because of the "dead center phenomenon". Granted, EC's, and Asschers have clear, open areas because of their natural design, but those areas should come to life, while the diamond is actively moving.
I'm certain @Karl_K can far more articulately explain this, as he is far more experienced with Step-Cuts, but I have been obsessed with Step-Cut stones for over 17 years, and I focus on threads, like this one, to learn as much as I can about them (and to confirm that the information I have is accurate).
My DH & I were EXTREMELY fortunate to find my EC; I discovered PS AFTER we got married. PS has become a confirmation tool for me* to determine whether or not my EC is truly the quality it was promised to be, and that he got the deal we had hoped he received. The result of my investigation has proven all of the above is true, and I couldn't be more excited!
I have a Step-Cut project in the works, as we speak, and the knowledge I have retained here, at PS, has been extremely vital in every decision I have made during the planning of this project; @Karl_K has been a huge resource for me, as my project involves Asscher Cut Diamonds. I know what I want, and I refuse to settle for anything "close", or less than what I am looking for. It will be challenging, but I* am patient, and I have no timeline, or deadline to meet.
I do hope that coming to PS will benefit you in the ways that it has benefitted me. I wish you nothing but the very best of luck in your quest for your perfect EC! I hope you will return with more info, and share with us what you ultimately choose!!!
I am so excited for you!!! :mrgreen2:
 
I have went to them to see if I can get an aset/video for the one above... (Hopefully they do)

They unfortunately don't have aset pictures for the other 2 as it is located in Cali...

I'm going to try to dig up as much of the emerald info and see if I can find any good ones (won't learn without trying).

Thanks every again for your help...
 
Just curious... tyty and Matthews, when you search for an EC diamond, besides the 4C specs and the price, are there any other advance filters you would apply to narrow down the diamond?

I was looking at the guide on PS for emerald to see if there are anyways to narrow down my search before going into each one of them.

https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/emerald-cut-diamond
 
tyty333 said:
I also like this one that Matthews found...and the price is very good. Ask B2C if they do videos as well as requesting an aset.
https://www.pricescope.com/diamonds/emerald/0_96-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-1079878

If they dont do videos and the aset looks good it might be worth having it sent to you to check it out in person.
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This is my favorite too. It looks extremely crisp and bright with lots of potential for beautiful fire as it moves. Great proportions too given the ratio that he is looking for.
 
doraemon1284 said:
Just curious... tyty and Matthews, when you search for an EC diamond, besides the 4C specs and the price, are there any other advance filters you would apply to narrow down the diamond?

I was looking at the guide on PS for emerald to see if there are anyways to narrow down my search before going into each one of them.

https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/emerald-cut-diamond
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Table %, depth %, Symmetry, Polish, some even allow to search specific l x w ratio ranges...
 
doraemon1284 said:
Just curious... tyty and Matthews, when you search for an EC diamond, besides the 4C specs and the price, are there any other advance filters you would apply to narrow down the diamond?

I was looking at the guide on PS for emerald to see if there are anyways to narrow down my search before going into each one of them.

https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/emerald-cut-diamond
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I'm not either of the two mentioned, but I am also a lover of step-cuts. I want to commend you on already finding that post… It is a great resource indeed! You've already narrowed down the ratio you like, which is a great start. One thing that will be beneficial to you is to determine if you have a preference for table sizes and heights. They can affect the presence/personality of the diamond; one isn't right or wrong… it's just a matter of preference (and some people have no preference!). Other than that, step-cuts can really be tricky buggers when it comes to following those percentages. There are numerous threads from the experts reminding us that deep cut diamonds or seemingly shallow tables actually can produce amazing diamonds, and that when it comes to step-cuts they really are diamonds that you need to see with your own eyes.

Best wishes with your continued search. You're getting some great options already!
 
ILikeShiny said:
I'm not either of the two mentioned, but I am also a lover of step-cuts. I want to commend you on already finding that post… It is a great resource indeed! You've already narrowed down the ratio you like, which is a great start. One thing that will be beneficial to you is to determine if you have a preference for table sizes and heights. They can affect the presence/personality of the diamond; one isn't right or wrong… it's just a matter of preference (and some people have no preference!). Other than that, step-cuts can really be tricky buggers when it comes to following those percentages. There are numerous threads from the experts reminding us that deep cut diamonds or seemingly shallow tables actually can produce amazing diamonds, and that when it comes to step-cuts they really are diamonds that you need to see with your own eyes.

Best wishes with your continued search. You're getting some great options already!
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Any help is appreciated =)2 Just need to see if a .96 is good.. or need to get one that is greater than 1... Maybe I can say it is 1... :lol:
 
A .96 can have larger faceup size than a 1 ct. Check the measurements.
 
doraemon1284 said:
Any help is appreciated =)2 Just need to see if a .96 is good.. or need to get one that is greater than 1... Maybe I can say it is 1... :lol:
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In case it helps, a nice thing with buying just under a common carat marker (.5, 1, 1.5, 2, etc) is that there's often a noticeable price break.
 
doraemon1284 said:
Just curious... tyty and Matthews, when you search for an EC diamond, besides the 4C specs and the price, are there any other advance filters you would apply to narrow down the diamond?

I was looking at the guide on PS for emerald to see if there are anyways to narrow down my search before going into each one of them.

https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/emerald-cut-diamond
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I just use my eyes to make sure it is flashing all the way into the center as the stone turns. That the steps are relatively the same size, ratio is good, not too
much contrast at once (not to much black/facets "off"). I like the way certain stones flash but my personal preference is hard to find.

Beyond that you can look at the side of the stone and make sure its not too flat and make sure the table isnt too big. You want some crown height.
KarlK mentioned this on another thread. Any emerald cut/asscher cut thread that you can find where Karlk has posted would be worth taking a look
at. He designed an asscher-like stone called an Octavia so he knows step-cut cuts.
Here is an Octavia (just FYI) so you can see the cut that he helped to design...look at how much red is in the aset!
https://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond...S-I-VS1-diamond-stock-11537-cert-104068657004
Here is a more realistic view of one.
http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/98ct-k-vs1-octavia-asscher-cut-diamond-gia-r7228
 
tyty333 said:
I just use my eyes to make sure it is flashing all the way into the center as the stone turns. That the steps are relatively the same size, ratio is good, not too
much contrast at once (not to much black/facets "off"). I like the way certain stones flash but my personal preference is hard to find.

Beyond that you can look at the side of the stone and make sure its not too flat and make sure the table isnt too big. You want some crown height.
KarlK mentioned this on another thread. Any emerald cut/asscher cut thread that you can find where Karlk has posted would be worth taking a look
at. He designed an asscher-like stone called an Octavia so he knows step-cut cuts.
Here is an Octavia (just FYI) so you can see the cut that he helped to design...look at how much red is in the aset!
https://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond...S-I-VS1-diamond-stock-11537-cert-104068657004
Here is a more realistic view of one.
http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/98ct-k-vs1-octavia-asscher-cut-diamond-gia-r7228
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I have to say that every time I look at a video of the Octavia, I just want to watch it all day long!! Wish list item #1: Octavia Asscher. Initially, I intended to purchase one for a RHR. I am now considering going larger for a pendant, or getting 2 of very close dimension, color & clarity for studs. *Sigh*...diamond dreams....:kiss2:
 
The ASET has finally arrived.. It is more desirable to have more red correct? The green is not bad, but if my focus on getting a diamond with fire and brilliance, would this still be a good choice?

Thanks again everyone for your help.

aset.jpg
 
doraemon1284 said:
The ASET has finally arrived.. It is more desirable to have more red correct? The green is not bad, but if my focus on getting a diamond with fire and brilliance, would this still be a good choice?

Thanks again everyone for your help.

aset.jpg
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The ASET is not showing....
Edit...never mind...I see it!!!
 
I like it. Good red/green distribution and little white. I personally would call it in to see in person.
 
Matthews1127 said:
I believe this answers your question...

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Hi Matthews, I saw this as well. I interpret the image to be in the middle of "above average" and "best". However the lack of red makes me second guess myself as I was looking to get as much fire as possible.
 
ILikeShiny said:
I like it. Good red/green distribution and little white. I personally would call it in to see in person.
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I wish I could, I would need to have it shipped to me... I got a video of it, but is too big to upload so will see what I can do..
 
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