Emerald cut Diamond Help

Bfelix · Nov 2, 2018

I’m looking to get a smaller emerald cut diamond. I’m more concerned with quality vs. size. My budget is 4-5k for the diamond. I like longer, probably between the range of 1.40 and 1.50. For color, I think I can go down to an H for the setting. I don’t mind under a carat if it is an excellent cut. My ring size is a 4.
Here are some that I am looking at JA, which is where the diamond will be purchased at:

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...ut/1.01-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5526952

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...t/1.01-carat-h-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-5977846

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...ut/1.00-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5747910

Here are the settings that I am looking at:

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/e...rre-shaped-diamond-engagement-ring-item-22647

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/e...d-baguette-diamond-engagement-ring-item-50120

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/e...d-pave-set-diamond-engagement-ring-item-22633

AV_ · Nov 3, 2018

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IHMO, this is the nicest looking long stepped, colourless anything in the range - WWW ...

However, I believe that these videos do exagerate dark reflections in step cuts, so I would risk to call in and take a look at a less straightforward choice with more interesting proportions & longer for the same weight: WWW

Just fun!

scarsmum · Nov 3, 2018

If you wanted to consider a larger diamond with a plain setting by Leon Mege there is one listed in preloved that would meet your total budget.

OoohShiny · Nov 3, 2018

Bfelix said:
I’m looking to get a smaller emerald cut diamond. I’m more concerned with quality vs. size. My budget is 4-5k for the diamond. I like longer, probably between the range of 1.40 and 1.50. For color, I think I can go down to an H for the setting. I don’t mind under a carat if it is an excellent cut. My ring size is a 4.
Here are some that I am looking at JA, which is where the diamond will be purchased at:

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...ut/1.01-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5526952

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...t/1.01-carat-h-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-5977846

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...ut/1.00-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5747910

I think the G might have a twisted pavilion?

The F has quite an interesting facet and contrast patterning to my eyes

but I'm not sure if it is perhaps a little lacking in brightness face on?

I do like the faceting of the H a lot

but that is my personal taste! Only a smidge of windowing and looks to me to perform well at pretty much all angles. Maybe lacking brightness head-on but they pretty much all seem to be like that, so I think it would need assessment in real life!

OoohShiny · Nov 3, 2018

AV_ said:
.

IHMO, this is the nicest looking long stepped, colourless anything in the range - WWW ...

However, I believe that these videos do exagerate dark reflections in step cuts, so I would risk to call in and take a look at a less straightforward choice with more interesting proportions & longer for the same weight: WWW

Just fun!

The first one is nice to my eyes

although it does have a touch of windowing at the bottom of the short-end facets at tilt angles, which seems quite common!

Second one does have a lot of obstruction! but I think I agree that the lighting setup might not be perfect in both the JA and BN videos. JA EC stones always seem to lack brightness head-on, and they surely can't all be like that in real life...

OoohShiny · Nov 3, 2018

Karl_K · Nov 3, 2018

OoohShiny said:
I think the G might have a twisted pavilion?

It's Strongly objecting to sitting on the p2 facet.
Something with those particular angles that strongly interacts with it.
It took me a minute to figure out what was going on because it didn't make sense at first.

Bfelix · Nov 4, 2018

OoohShiny said:
Couple that caught my eye!

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.02-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-sku-5803875

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.00-carat-h-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-5834174

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.20-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5981565

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.20-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5170047
Bright! But look at that (non-)crown... lol

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.13-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-4942727

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.15-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5031962

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.09-carat-d-color-vs1-clarity-sku-4743457

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.08-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-sku-5813239

I saw the one with the flat crown and it is actually gorgeous! Does it make a difference that it doesn’t have a crown to it? I also like the other 1.20 H that has a crown. Thank you for your help.

OoohShiny · Nov 4, 2018

Bfelix said:
I saw the one with the flat crown and it is actually gorgeous! Does it make a difference that it doesn’t have a crown to it? I also like the other 1.20 H that has a crown. Thank you for your help.

Karl was kind enough to cover that off in a thread recently, talking about another diamond with a low crown, so I will quote him because he is much wiser than me!

https://www.pricescope.com/communit...this-emerald-cut-diamond.244672/#post-4441853

Karl_K said:
A lowish crown can still be very bright but you lose a lot of the 3d effect from the side view and some life when moving it side to side.
That said a diamond with a lowish crown and matching angles will blow away a diamond with a high crown that the angles dont match very well.
Fire in some lighting can be less, it could be more that it doesn't show fire as often as not having great fire in the right lighting.
The diamond in question is a 66% table and the CH is probably around ~12% which is not super low but on the low side.
The windmills are not conventionally cut to save a little weight.
There is a limit to what I can say, but getting an ASET might be worth it.

AV_ · Nov 5, 2018

Bfelix said:
I saw the one with the flat crown and it is actually gorgeous! Does it make a difference that it doesn’t have a crown to it?

It does... Yoram F. tells this story better than I:

- with a crown: WWW
&
- without: WWW

(both caree)

This is what everyone wants WWW

I'd say you may well like then flat-faced (since I do), but know what you are missing...

Bfelix · Nov 16, 2018

OoohShiny said:
Couple that caught my eye!

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.02-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-sku-5803875

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.00-carat-h-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-5834174

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.20-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5981565

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.20-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5170047
Bright! But look at that (non-)crown... lol

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.13-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-4942727

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.15-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5031962

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.09-carat-d-color-vs1-clarity-sku-4743457

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.08-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-sku-5813239

I bumped my budget down to $4000. I still would like to get as nice as possible in the .90 to 1ct range and am looking at colors from G all the way down to J. Most of the ones above already sold as I didn’t call in fast enough to hold a few and feel like I am back at square one again. After looking at so many, the l/w of 1.30-1.50 is fine. Any that catch your eye in this price range?

Bfelix · Nov 16, 2018

Here are a few that I am looking at now:

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...t/1.00-carat-h-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-5297108

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...t/1.03-carat-i-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-5765029

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...ut/1.01-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-5932723

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...t/1.03-carat-i-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-5683820

These are the four that caught my eye.

princessandthepear · Nov 16, 2018

I had a thread about the same time as you started your thread called, "Thoughts on this emerald cut diamond". The thread is on page 4 and the last post will be most helpful for you.
@OoohShiny was kind enough to suggest several options in the final post. Hopefully you will find something available on that list. OoohShiny has an amazing eye for step cuts.

OoohShiny · Nov 17, 2018

Bfelix said:
Here are a few that I am looking at now:

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...t/1.00-carat-h-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-5297108

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...t/1.03-carat-i-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-5765029

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...ut/1.01-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-5932723

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...t/1.03-carat-i-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-5683820

These are the four that caught my eye.

1 - I like it.

2 - I quite like it - potentially could be dark head-on as the obstruction patterns are quite strong, but the patterns are spread out.

3 - Looks good - potentially a touch 'quiet' at the bottom of the triangles at the short ends, meaning the central band is more dominant?

4 - Looks good - potentially a touch 'windowy' at the bottom of the triangles at the short ends at tilt angles, but seems to be a very lively stone.

All IMHO, of course!

Bfelix · Nov 30, 2018

I just wanted to come back and update that I purchased this diamond: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.00-carat-h-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-5297108
Here is the ASET for it. It looks pretty good to me.

Volvoqueen · Nov 30, 2018

scarsmum said:
If you wanted to consider a larger diamond with a plain setting by Leon Mege there is one listed in preloved that would meet your total budget.

http://www.loveaffairdiamonds.com/1-40ct-emerald-cut-diamond-in-leon-mege-solitaire-gia-g-si1/

Bfelix · Nov 30, 2018

Volvoqueen said:
http://www.loveaffairdiamonds.com/1-40ct-emerald-cut-diamond-in-leon-mege-solitaire-gia-g-si1/

Thank you but I have already purchased the diamond from JA which is in my price range.

Heathcat24 · Nov 30, 2018

Bfelix said:
I just wanted to come back and update that I purchased this diamond: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.00-carat-h-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-5297108
Here is the ASET for it. It looks pretty good to me.

Oooh, pretty!

Have you decided on a setting?

MakingTheGrade · Nov 30, 2018

Have you gotten the stone? Excited to hear what you think in real life. I hear fancy shapes are much harder to judge online and the eye test is still gold standard lol

Bfelix · Nov 30, 2018

Heathcat24 said:
Oooh, pretty! Have you decided on a setting?

I’m just getting a thin solitaire for now. I would love to do a custom setting with DK one day or put it in a three stone setting. I can’t wait to see it.

Bfelix · Nov 30, 2018

MakingTheGrade said:
Have you gotten the stone? Excited to hear what you think in real life. I hear fancy shapes are much harder to judge online and the eye test is still gold standard lol

I haven’t received the stone yet. I should get it some time next week as I am having a basic solitaire made for it too. I’m excited to see and wear it. I saw one at my jewelers and it was divine. I was going to go back to my basic round but decided to take the leap and pray that I get a good Emerald from all the recommendations on here.

Heathcat24 · Nov 30, 2018

Bfelix said:
I’m just getting a thin solitaire for now. I would love to do a custom setting with DK one day or put it in a three stone setting. I can’t wait to see it.

Please post some hand shots when you get it! I know it's going to be GORGEOUS. I love step cuts!

MakingTheGrade · Nov 30, 2018

Yeah I have rounds but have been lusting for an emerald because it’s different. Can’t wait to see yours!

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