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EGL Los Angeles Office - Sketch Experience

craighnt

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I knew I shouldn't have done it but I was in for a time crunch so I bit the bullet. Here is what unfolded:

I was trying to save some money so I looked them up online and their price sheet for a stone under 1 c was about $65. Now I new GIA was better but they wanted to hold the diamond for 5 weeks and EGL said it usually only takes about a week. I was in a hurry so I pulled the trigger. That is when the problems started.

The office was in a commercial high rise in downtown LA jewelry district. I went up several floors, down a hallway and through a nondescript door. What did I see? Looked like a tiny waiting room at the unemployment office. 3 widows with glass and a row of seats against the walls which look like they have not been painted since 1985. There was a guy arguing with someone behind the glass that "the diamond must be rated excellent, it must be rated excellent or I cannot sell" So apparently this is negotiable?

Girl behind the glass took my info, ask for a fax number (really? who dose that anymore) gave my email instead. She told me the price, plus I called twice and checked online so I knew what I was getting into....or so I thought. About a week later they email me the results. Kind of odd, just straight numbers. No header, name of the organization, no text nothing. You would not know what the email was about if you didn't know it was a diamond grade. Straight numbers all in one long sentence. This seemed odd to me.

I figured they were done and I could go pick up my diamond and pay for the cert. So I am at the window and they say "that will be $1 35 dollars" What? That's double what you told me? Your site says $65. "OH we dont know anything about the site that is just a corporate thing you price is $135. "you are not with a company so that's our price" OH gee thanks for telling me that now. Its not on the form, its not on your website, and no one on the phone or in person told me that when I ask. So you are charging double? Did you spend double the time? Double the labor? I argued with them and the manager and the accountant until finally they relented. I was not happy though and the woman behind the glass thanked me with a evil glare. :angryfire:

So I got my diamond back, but then they said, "oh you wanted a cert? You didn't respond to the fax". Was I supposed to? "OH, we don't move forward until you respond to the fax". "That will be another week, do you want us to mail it to you?" Yes do that thanks. Sure enough a week passes, no cert. I call and you guessed it, still there sitting in the office. :roll:

Worst service ever. I knew they were not as well respected as GIA but I had no idea of how different the business is run. I got the feeling that there is kind of an inside game where diamond buyers they have a relationship with can pic their own CERT specs or at least suggest them through the back and fourth fax method system. Maybe that is why my email didn't even have their EGL name on it? I'm not sure but the whole thing seemed like a joke. Meanwhile GIA labs are 2 hours away in a beautiful location, new building, high security and diamond museum too boot.

Only positive thing I could say is I did see people in the back grading jems through a microscope and other equipment that looked professional. They did a pretty good job of finding the inclusions and color rating based on others opinions but not a substitute for bad service. Next time I will wait the 5 to 6 weeks for GIA. :saint:
 
Well, it seems like a few people here lately are learning all this the hard way, but we appreciate your posting in order to warn others. GIA has a faster service that costs more, but it doesn't have to take 5 weeks. What do you need the grading report for?
 
GIA dose have a rush price, but I think it's double not sure. But for a regular single stone it was 5 weeks waiting time according to the person I spoke with over there on the phone. I was in a rush because I had a deadline set for myself and I wanted a report in case the stone got lost in the mail on its way to the setter. I know I could have gone local just for an appraisal but that would be more of an opinion of retail price and not details of the actual stone plotted out. And, just about as expensive or even more then a GIA or EGL report.
 
Did the EGL person say that they would change the cut grade? It's one thing for the person to be arguing with the CSR but an entirely different thing if they agreed to make the change.
 
I was under the impression that they didn't accept work directly from the public at that office and it certainly sounds like they're not accustomed to it. I agree that if they don't want this sort of business they should make it a bit more clear in their advertising and, more importantly, if they do accept walk in clients they should have been clear with you when you came in about what services they would offer, what they would cost, when they would be done, and so on. Not that it's an excuse but I suspect the vast majority of their clients are repeat customers who are in the business and who are already familiar with the way they do things and who would count this step as unnecessary.

I would second Hera's observation that simply because someone asked them to change a grade doesn't mean that they agreed to do it. I get asked things like this regularly for example, as I'm sure does every other grader out there. :sun:
 
craighnt|1382507527|3542785 said:
I know I could have gone local just for an appraisal but that would be more of an opinion of retail price and not details of the actual stone plotted out. And, just about as expensive or even more then a GIA or EGL report.
That depends on who does the work and what you ask for. Appraisal services are not all the same just like labs are not all the same.
 
Wow, I'm sorry you had such a horrid experience... thank you for posting as a warning to other consumers.

I have to say that this shouldn't automatically reflect on all other EGL offices, as my experience at EGL-Canada was very satisfactory and pleasant: price as quoted ($70); very professional, detailed, and accurate laminated certificate as well as summary card provided; efficient and friendly service. In fact, the receptionist first told me that they could finish the appraisal by 4:30pm, as long as I brought the diamond in early in the morning. I didn't end up making it to the office until 2:30pm, and they were still able to complete the job within 2 hours!
 
I had a stone certed by EGL's NY office this summer (it's set, it's an old cut ... the usual reasons people go there). If I'm remembering correctly, what they do is grade it for $65, send you the basic info - it's a J, VVS-whatever - and if you like what you see, THEN you pay the remainder, in order to get the physical cert. It sounds like the same model, just worse manners ....
 
Why does everyone forget about AGS?! Better quality, better customer service, quicker turn around time.

Sorry about your experience, at least you personally know who to avoid if the situation ever arises again!
 
glitzandglamour|1382551078|3543013 said:
Why does everyone forget about AGS?! Better quality, better customer service, quicker turn around time.

Sorry about your experience, at least you personally know who to avoid if the situation ever arises again!

Good point, though AGS won't grade stones for the public.
We have to go through a dealer.

I don't like another mouth feeding from my wallet.
 
kenny|1382551484|3543017 said:
glitzandglamour|1382551078|3543013 said:
Why does everyone forget about AGS?! Better quality, better customer service, quicker turn around time.

Sorry about your experience, at least you personally know who to avoid if the situation ever arises again!

Good point, though AGS won't grade stones for the public.
We have to go through a dealer.

I don't like another mouth feeding from my wallet.

Ah, yes. Good point I completely forgot!
 
kenny|1382551484|3543017 said:
glitzandglamour|1382551078|3543013 said:
Why does everyone forget about AGS?! Better quality, better customer service, quicker turn around time.

Sorry about your experience, at least you personally know who to avoid if the situation ever arises again!

Good point, though AGS won't grade stones for the public.
We have to go through a dealer.

I don't like another mouth feeding from my wallet.
Kenny,

Speaking as one of those ‘other mouths’ that you so dislike, there value that comes from them. In this very discussion, the complaints have to do with the décor, their ability and willingness to answer direct and possibly indirect questions, their willingness to adjust or explain their methodology (the whole fax thing), and the general retail experience. This is exactly what the retailer is for. AGS lab doesn’t have a showroom. You can’t get into the building AT ALL. They don’t have a sales staff to explain the various options to the client. They aren’t prepared to explain how to properly pack a shipment and what the various options are for the carrier. Instead of hiring staff (AKA extra mouths) to do these things they farm it out to their dealer network. They’ll work with nearly any dealer on the planet so the customer has the opportunity to choose what they want THEIR customer experience to look like. They concentrate on what they’re good at and they let the retailers do what they do best. I’m not seeing a conceptual problem with this, in fact I would even call it a feature.
 
denverappraiser|1382553089|3543033 said:
kenny|1382551484|3543017 said:
glitzandglamour|1382551078|3543013 said:
Why does everyone forget about AGS?! Better quality, better customer service, quicker turn around time.

Sorry about your experience, at least you personally know who to avoid if the situation ever arises again!

Good point, though AGS won't grade stones for the public.
We have to go through a dealer.

I don't like another mouth feeding from my wallet.
Kenny,

Speaking as one of those ‘other mouths’ that you so dislike ...

Huh? I like you.

I also like that GIA will deal with me directly.
 
Circe|1382547455|3542967 said:
I had a stone certed by EGL's NY office this summer (it's set, it's an old cut ... the usual reasons people go there). If I'm remembering correctly, what they do is grade it for $65, send you the basic info - it's a J, VVS-whatever - and if you like what you see, THEN you pay the remainder, in order to get the physical cert. It sounds like the same model, just worse manners ....


I appreciate your comment, but I just double checked, their full report for a 1 Carat Diamond is $65. The preliminary report is only $30. So yes, you are right about them giving me a prelim, but they still tried to double charge for some reason. As others have mentioned here, EGL Canada was only 65.

Their New York price schedule can be viewed here at the link below...but since they don't have any other price schedules and there is only one EGL site it was logical to assume this was a consistent price:
http://www.eglusa.com/images/pdf/price-schedule.pdf
 
denverappraiser|1382543214|3542928 said:
I was under the impression that they didn't accept work directly from the public at that office and it certainly sounds like they're not accustomed to it. I agree that if they don't want this sort of business they should make it a bit more clear in their advertising and, more importantly, if they do accept walk in clients they should have been clear with you when you came in about what services they would offer, what they would cost, when they would be done, and so on. Not that it's an excuse but I suspect the vast majority of their clients are repeat customers who are in the business and who are already familiar with the way they do things and who would count this step as unnecessary.

I would second Hera's observation that simply because someone asked them to change a grade doesn't mean that they agreed to do it. I get asked things like this regularly for example, as I'm sure does every other grader out there. :sun:

They told me over the phone they take walk-in. I didn't go into word by word detail in my original post but when I first walked up to the window they asked what company I was with. I said none, I was a private individual. They said OK and made me fill out a very basic form with my contact info on it and some ID. At that point, even if non business pros are few and far between, they should have explained the process and double price charge which still appears nowhere in writing or verbally for that matter.

As for changing the grade, i can't verify they did so. Only that someone was asking for it (or demanding) and they went back to call the original person grading to speak with the individual. But really, it dose open the door to the possibility. If regulars are going in there every day, like you say, they know the routine. Why would they ask such a question if it was not something they might do from time to time? I really doubt that same guy would go to GIA and demand that.
 
craighnt said:
I appreciate your comment, but I just double checked, their full report for a 1 Carat Diamond is $65. The preliminary report is only $30. So yes, you are right about them giving me a prelim, but they still tried to double charge for some reason. As others have mentioned here, EGL Canada was only 65.

Their New York price schedule can be viewed here at the link below...but since they don't have any other price schedules and there is only one EGL site it was logical to assume this was a consistent price:
http://www.eglusa.com/images/pdf/price-schedule.pdf

Ah, you're right - it's the by-the-carat thing I was remembering.
 
craighnt|1382608988|3543525 said:
I really doubt that same guy would go to GIA and demand that.
Actually they do, although GIA is set up in a way to keep this sort of thing out of earshot of other clients. They call it a 'recheck' and it costs 50% of the price of the regular inspection.

I'm not really trying to defend EGL here, they can do that themselves if they want. If they are going to offer a retail services they should offer a retail SERVICE. This is not the usual criticism of them and, frankly, it surprises me. I've never been to their LA office but I have worked with them several times from a distance and have found them to be a fast, friendly and agreeable outfit in the way they interact with clients, or at least the way they interact with me. Yeah, I have a fax.

I've no idea if they charge the same prices in NY as LA but I would rather expect Canada to be different. That's the usual way things work. I have NO problem at all that retail prices are different from wholesale prices. That too is the way it normally works and yes, retail customers are routinely more work. Often quite a bit more. That said I definitely agree that they, and any other service provider, should be upfront about what they're going to do, when they'll do it, how long it's going to take, and what they're going to charge. I expect the same of my plumber, my vet, and every other service provider I hire. The fact this seems to have not occurred here is a lot of what made you unhappy. I agree with you, I would be annoyed too.
 
The whole industry is a big scam
 
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