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Emeraldsaremyfavorite

Emeraldsaremyfavorite

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Inspiration
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New layout
297C88EA-7744-492B-BFC9-B39A3EE6B2BE.png 51867635-5458-4431-B9E7-4A1B49E17961.png On the home stretch. I want to make sure I nail this look, as it’s costing me more than I anticipated with larger traps. David sourced me some traps today measuring 6.25 in length... my new EC measuring 10.46 in length. I want the Mark Broumand design with more delicate bezels on traps and bullets. Here’s the the dilemma... my mind/eyes are getting confused. My last EC was 9.88 with 6.0 traps. Clearly they were not the MB look. However... these that David sourced are more triangular but not much longer. Do you all think they need to be longer in length?? I apologize advance for all the information, but I know as soon as I commit to these traps I’m pretty much set and will have bought them. Sincerely thank you!!
 
Wow, that's a tough one. To my eyes the new traps seem to be more elongated (east-west) than your inspiration setting, but it's hard to say for sure. I don't notice it in the CAD's, but in the picture of the stones layed out.

It still looks amazing to my eye, just not quite exact replica of the proportions of the inspiration.
 
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My bigger concern is that the traps look too wide to me. I don’t think you’ll get to see/appreciate the bullets unless your emerald cut is off-center when worn or your fingers are spread. Even in his CAD you can tell that the bullets don’t start until almost 1/3 of the way down the shank, which is usually the point at which your other fingers begin to cover it.

The trap length could possibly be slightly longer, but you need to make sure there’s room left for the bezeling without going past the first angle of the emerald-cuts corner.

In short, your inspiration photos appear to use diamonds that are thinner (traps) and shorter (bullets). I don’t think the proportions are currently correct. Sorry.
 
ILikeShiny said:
My bigger concern is that the traps look too wide to me. I don’t think you’ll get to see/appreciate the bullets unless your emerald cut is off-center when worn or your fingers are spread. Even in his CAD you can tell that the bullets don’t start until almost 1/3 of the way down the shank, which is usually the point at which your other fingers begin to cover it.

The trap length could possibly be slightly longer, but you need to make sure there’s room left for the bezeling without going past the first angle of the emerald-cuts corner.

In short, your inspiration photos appear to use diamonds that are thinner (traps) and shorter (bullets). I don’t think the proportions are currently correct. Sorry.
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Ok... confused thinner traps... length-North/South? I think they are spot in East/West to get the “triangular look.” I definitely think shorter bullets, like you said, which is easy. Thank you!
 
@ILikeShiny I don’t know how they could be too long when my old EC was 9.88 with 6.0 traps and this new one is 10.46 with 6.25 traps. I thought I would need 7mm traps in the longest length North/south, ugh!!! I’m not having fun anymore.
 
Emeraldsaremyfavorite said:
@ILikeShiny I don’t know how they could be too long when my old EC was 9.88 with 6.0 traps and this new one is 10.46 with 6.25 traps. I thought I would need 7mm traps in the longest length North/south, ugh!!! I’m not having fun anymore.
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Too long side to side, not top to bottom.

Here’s a doodle that shows what I mean. I rotated your photo to match the inspiration pic and then lined up their center stone angles, as shown by the straight line between the top right corners. As you’ll see, when I drew a line for the top right corners of the trap it ISN’T straight, because the relative sizes are different.

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The photo isn’t an exact science of course because the top photo has diamonds set on a ring vs being laid flat, but you should see the general idea.
 
@ILikeShiny I see exactly what you mean. The picture definitely looks distorted as my EC is not that square. This is where a wax mold will be very helpful. My old traps were 3mm E/W, these 3.9 E/W. I have a feeling to get them more tapered they will need to be longer E/W. CADS are tough. What’s really depressing is we already cut my old traps down in order to replicate my first inspiration ring... now they are way too small for this one:cry:
 
Emeraldsaremyfavorite said:
@ILikeShiny I see exactly what you mean. The picture definitely looks distorted as my EC is not that square. This is where a wax mold will be very helpful. My old traps were 3mm E/W, these 3.9 E/W. I have a feeling to get them more tapered they will need to be longer E/W. CADS are tough. What’s really depressing is we already cut my old traps down in order to replicate my first inspiration ring... now they are way too small for this one:cry:
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Is the width of your emerald cut the same width of your previous one?

Honestly, I don’t think you should make your traps wider than 3mm; I DO think they should be more tapered than your previous ones though (not so rectangular looking). Adding the bezel will take up more finger space too and you’re already on the verge of not seeing the bullets.

This is the problem with big diamonds and little fingers! :rolleyes2:
 
No! I should I have worked with my old traps!! They were 3mm wide. But we cut them down to 5x3. That’s too small. Darn. My new EC is wider at 8.04. This stinks!! I definitely need small bullets and maybe they can cut my traps into bullets
 
Hi! To my eye, you should not go taller (N/S) with the traps, as they are already max size for your stone and you want to bezel them, which will make them a bit larger all around. The traps in your inspiration photos look shorter (N/S) to me than these new traps you have. I'm looking at the space between the edge of your EC and the points at the top and bottom of the trapezoids as they sit next to your EC. I think these trapezoids are almost the same size as the bezel on the inspiration ring, with those traps inside of it.
BTW, I don't think going from 6.25-6.55 is going to look bigger, either. That's less than half a millimeter's difference; negligible. Same with the difference in width.
Are you sure that your old traps would be too small once you bezel them? Maybe they'd work with these bullets or another set. Have you tried that? Maybe the 3mm width (E/W) would be better with the bullets and allow them to be seen and once your old traps are bezeled, they'd look large enough to fill the space you're looking to fill for the trapezoids. Know what I mean??
 
“The side diamonds total 0.74” - that could’ve helpful info. I think your traps look a little wide personally, on both dimensions.
 
Sorry, I mean across the entire edge. The taper looks good to me.
 
Thanks for all your help everyone! I really think I need a more clear picture than the one they provided. My diamond literally looks Square in the photo and it is not. So my old trapezoids were length 6 mm these are 6.25 mm... not a huge difference especially for a bigger diamond. And E/W new are 3.45... old 3mm. Again not a huge difference and I think in order to get the really tapered look you have to go little bit longer east west. My gut is telling me my bullets are going to have to be very small. And my bezel will not be as thick is the one in my inspiration photos. Will get more pictures today and continue to update you!
 
ILikeShiny said:
Brilliant find! DK should be able to use these photos to approximate side stone sizes.

But are they kidding with the 100k price tag??? :eek2:
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Yes, I know... 1st Dibs is always outrageously expensive! MB has this video on his website and I have already sent it to David. David is checking everything out today and I should hear from him by this afternoon:)
 
I hate to say this, but I am thinking of possibly taking the ring to Mark. I want to give David a chance, but since this is Mark’s design I’m so tempted to pay David for his work and call it a day. But I feel guilty because they have already put so much time into me, :(2
 
Like others I think that the traps are too fat, not too short.
They don’t need to be longer/taller, just thinner.
Your old traps didn’t have a very steep taper, these are more tapered but too squat.

Have you spoken with David or Amy on the phone?
I just finished a ring with them and when we were close but not quite there, I called and spoke with Amy and got everything squared away.
Also did you share this inspiration pic with them? If you have already I would reshare it after marking it up on your phone to highlight the specific detail you desire.
Good luck!
 
@dtnyc so Amy is now in Thyland for the next 3 weeks, she was who I was working with closely. Now I’m working with someone completely new. David is suppose to call me today but he seems to be very hard to get a hold of. I have sent them this inspiration ring so many times and these are the traps they came up with. So... I want to see more pictures to completely rule them out. As they are only .45mm wider than my last ones- east/west.
However, taking it to Mark is so tempting. But.., he is more expensive and I’m sure I would need to pay David for his time and the setting he already made up. And I’m embarrassed!
 
Emeraldsaremyfavorite said:
I hate to say this, but I am thinking of possibly taking the ring to Mark. I want to give David a chance, but since this is Mark’s design I’m so tempted to pay David for his work and call it a day. But I feel guilty because they have already put so much time into me, :(2
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That would probably be the best and right thing to do. Maybe pay David for his time. Sometimes getting the original artisan gets the best result.
 
75AE1884-31A1-4E2B-AFF0-01E9992575B2.png Just spoke to David. He feels very confident the traps are virtually the same. Says laying flat the traps and the bullets look a lot longer. Once angled in a ring should look the same. He said to really concentrate on CADS not a flat layout. Going to send me wax mold and if I have any doubts we don’t proceed and back to the drawing board. I guess I need to have some faith in him as I do not work with dimensions and CADS every day, lol. Newest pic attached
 
Sounds good
 
@Emeraldsaremyfavorite, this looks much better now! I still think the traps could be a little bit smaller, considering that you're going to bezel them, but these stones look well together and if David thinks this is the correct proportion, and you feel confident that he knows what look you're going for, then you should be all right. And having the wax will be a good way to tell if it's going to translate well to a ring that fits your hand the way you want it to! If not, I'm sure he will change it for you until it does.
In reading his customer's responses, people say he is masterful and produces beautiful work at reasonable prices and they are very happy, which is what you want!

By the way, my ring is finished! I'm thrilled with how it came out!!! My Iphone hasn't been cooperating for photos lately -what a time to crap out on me!! I probably need to get a new phone! But I was able to take some nice pictures outdoors! I want to get some close-ups of the ring itself off my finger and once I do, I'm going to do a post!
I'm following you closely, though, and can't wait to see your beautiful ring taking shape!!! :)
 
@Blingalingaling first off... so excited for you!!! I CANNOT wait to see pics, this is the ring I have been dying to see!!

So yes, David is suppose to be very good and it’s hard to tell him I know what I am talking about more than he does... lol! So the wax mold will tell the story and I’m not committed to anything. Thank you so much for following me, looking forward to your stunner!!

BTW... what color are your traps?
 
Brace yourself...they're "H" color, VS1! But they look great next to my EC! Go figure! :)

I think you're in a perfect position now! Let's wait and see what he comes up with! So exciting!! :)
 
@Blingalingaling ah... so glad to hear that... these are G color and David said they match perfectly. I was worried, of course, because that’s what I do, worry!! We shall see about the proportions once the wax mold gets here... fingers crossed!
 
Emeraldsaremyfavorite said:
75AE1884-31A1-4E2B-AFF0-01E9992575B2.png Just spoke to David. He feels very confident the traps are virtually the same. Says laying flat the traps and the bullets look a lot longer. Once angled in a ring should look the same. He said to really concentrate on CADS not a flat layout. Going to send me wax mold and if I have any doubts we don’t proceed and back to the drawing board. I guess I need to have some faith in him as I do not work with dimensions and CADS every day, lol. Newest pic attached
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That photo looks much better. I still think the traps might be a bit wide, but not nearly as bad as they like Iooked in the prior photo. I’m glad you’re getting a wax; that should be the story-teller for sure.
 
I have a feeling they are a tad too wide too. This will probably be a process!
 
@Blingalingaling Your ring has really inspired me to get going on mine! I want it finished. I’m really wondering if yours are 4mm at the shortest end. They look a lot smaller more like 3 mm or less, hmm. Let me know! I am sure you are just in awe of your ring and can’t think of anything else, and still responding to the hundreds of compliments you’re getting!
 
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