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Date: 10/31/2008 12:36:21 PM
Author: Ellen
Careful there....
How exciting though!!!
I had a feeling that someone would tell me that I am jumping the gun with that statement.
I did follow through and sign up for 6 hours of going to the homes of known Obama supporters to make sure everyone gets out to vote on Tuesday.
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Hahahaha thing....it's a good thing I am dressed as Morticia right now....I have a thing for things.
I hear ya cluckin' big chicken....I will be soooooooooo glad when this is over. This of course, assumes it will be over on Nov. 4th. I recall how long we went in 2000 while "Unprecedented". Let's hope that doesn't happen this year.
ETA: Ahahahahaha, Obama said that McCain was going as Bush this Halloween.....Whew...that is too funny!!
I hear ya cluckin' big chicken....I will be soooooooooo glad when this is over. This of course, assumes it will be over on Nov. 4th. I recall how long we went in 2000 while "Unprecedented". Let's hope that doesn't happen this year.
ETA: Ahahahahaha, Obama said that McCain was going as Bush this Halloween.....Whew...that is too funny!!
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I guess I''ll post here since no one plays in the other threads I''ve posted lately! I think I''m not the only one sick of this election! This is a bit of a shocker and maybe deserves its own thread:
Palin: First Amendment Rights Threatened By Criticism
"Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama''s associations, like those with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a candidate''s free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said."
SNIP
"Salon''s Glenn Greenwald explains why this argument is frighteningly wrong:
If anything, Palin has this exactly backwards, since one thing that the First Amendment does actually guarantee is a free press. Thus, when the press criticizes a political candidate and a Governor such as Palin, that is a classic example of First Amendment rights being exercised, not abridged.
This isn''t only about profound ignorance regarding our basic liberties, though it is obviously that. Palin here is also giving voice here to the standard right-wing grievance instinct: that it''s inherently unfair when they''re criticized. And now, apparently, it''s even unconstitutional."
Palin: First Amendment Rights Threatened By Criticism
"Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama''s associations, like those with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a candidate''s free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said."
SNIP
"Salon''s Glenn Greenwald explains why this argument is frighteningly wrong:
If anything, Palin has this exactly backwards, since one thing that the First Amendment does actually guarantee is a free press. Thus, when the press criticizes a political candidate and a Governor such as Palin, that is a classic example of First Amendment rights being exercised, not abridged.
This isn''t only about profound ignorance regarding our basic liberties, though it is obviously that. Palin here is also giving voice here to the standard right-wing grievance instinct: that it''s inherently unfair when they''re criticized. And now, apparently, it''s even unconstitutional."
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"Even at McDonalds you have to have three interviews to get hired" ... HA! Since McCain apparently only met Palin once before choosing her. And OBVS she wasn''t vetted effectively. They also showed McCain making a funny face when (supposedly) pondering the thought of Palin as President. LMAO!
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Date: 10/31/2008 10:37:24 PM
Author: thing2of2
I guess I'll post here since no one plays in the other threads I've posted lately! I think I'm not the only one sick of this election! This is a bit of a shocker and maybe deserves its own thread:
Palin: First Amendment Rights Threatened By Criticism
'Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama's associations, like those with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a candidate's free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said.'
SNIP
'Salon's Glenn Greenwald explains why this argument is frighteningly wrong:
If anything, Palin has this exactly backwards, since one thing that the First Amendment does actually guarantee is a free press. Thus, when the press criticizes a political candidate and a Governor such as Palin, that is a classic example of First Amendment rights being exercised, not abridged.
This isn't only about profound ignorance regarding our basic liberties, though it is obviously that. Palin here is also giving voice here to the standard right-wing grievance instinct: that it's inherently unfair when they're criticized. And now, apparently, it's even unconstitutional.'
I am not surprised at her level of "class". In fact the whole political campaign strategy from GOP this year is frightening. I heard on the radio that 1 out of every 3 Texans believe that Obama IS Muslim, thanks to the robo calls GOP put out for months in that state. I just don't know who to feel sorry for more, the residents in Texas or the GOP.
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Date: 10/31/2008 10:48:28 PM
Author: decodelighted
Nothing she says could shock me now! Did you see Rachel Maddow tonight ... there was some top Republican (can''t remember who now -- there were three) that said of McCain''s choice:
''Even at McDonalds you have to have three interviews to get hired'' ... HA! Since McCain apparently only met Palin once before choosing her. And OBVS she wasn''t vetted effectively. They also showed McCain making a funny face when (supposedly) pondering the thought of Palin as President. LMAO!
Hahaha! Did you see this? Former Republican Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger actually laughed at the idea of Palin being ready for the VP office! OUCH.
"Asked by the host whether Palin could step in during a time of crisis, Eagleburger reverted to sarcasm before leveling the harsh blow.
"It is a very good question," he said, pausing a few seconds, then adding with a chuckle: "I''m being facetious here. Look, of course not."
Eagleburger explained: "I don''t think at the moment she is prepared to take over the reins of the presidency. I can name for you any number of other vice presidents who were not particularly up to it either. So the question, I think, is can she learn and would she be tough enough under the circumstances if she were asked to become president, heaven forbid that that ever takes place?
"Give her some time in the office and I think the answer would be, she will be [pause] adequate. I can''t say that she would be a genius in the job. But I think she would be enough to get us through a four year... well I hope not... get us through whatever period of time was necessary. And I devoutly hope that it would never be tested."
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Oh my, you guys crack me up - I just saw this.Date: 10/31/2008 10:13:00 AM
Author: Irishgrrrl
El, I''m glad you agree! I was worried that maybe I was being insensitive to sexism and, as a woman, I was concerned about myself! LOL!Date: 10/31/2008 9:27:37 AM
Author: Ellen
That''s exactly what I see too. If he had a man running with him that had the same level of knowledge (or lack thereof) that SP does, it would be no different. I think that''s a stretch thinking that.Date: 10/31/2008 8:42:03 AM
Author: Irishgrrrl
OK, guys, I have a question. I''ve seen that some people think the ad referenced above is ''sexist.'' And if there''s anything I hate, it''s ''ism'' of any kind . . . sexism, racism, etc. However, I just don''t see the sexism in that ad! From my interpretation of it, it looks like Obama is simply stating his (very valid) concerns that Palin is not someone McCain should be relying on to help him deal with the economy. He could have just as easily said that if Palin were a man. How was the ad sexist? Can someone please enlighten me?
aj, I saw that too. As I said before, McCain can''t seem to catch a break. I really feel kinda sorry for him.... (but I did giggle)
btw, what''s ''arvo''?
And the thing with Joe the Plumber standing McCain up is just HILARIOUS!!! It''s a good thing McCain was able to turn to all those other ''Joe the Plumbers'' in the absence of the ''real'' (ha!) Joe the Plumber! LOL!
And I''m glad Ellen asked what an ''arvo'' is, AJ . . . I didn''t have a clue either!
Arvo = Afternoon!
I tend to forget that the rest of the world doesn''t truncate every single phrase, lol..
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I hope I didn''t offend you, it''s just that whole "counting chickens" thing! Plus, if we refrain from statements like that now, we won''t be facing a big ol piece of humble pie on Wednesday.Date: 10/31/2008 3:18:26 PM
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Date: 10/31/2008 12:36:21 PM
Author: Ellen
Careful there....
How exciting though!!!
I had a feeling that someone would tell me that I am jumping the gun with that statement.
I did follow through and sign up for 6 hours of going to the homes of known Obama supporters to make sure everyone gets out to vote on Tuesday.
And good for you for donating your time!
Thanks aj!
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Date: 11/1/2008 8:27:50 AM
Author: Ellen
I hope I didn''t offend you, it''s just that whole ''counting chickens'' thing! Plus, if we refrain from statements like that now, we won''t be facing a big ol piece of humble pie on Wednesday.Date: 10/31/2008 3:18:26 PM
Author: Clairitek
Date: 10/31/2008 12:36:21 PM
Author: Ellen
Careful there....
How exciting though!!!
I had a feeling that someone would tell me that I am jumping the gun with that statement.
I did follow through and sign up for 6 hours of going to the homes of known Obama supporters to make sure everyone gets out to vote on Tuesday.
And good for you for donating your time!
Thanks aj!
Oh no, don''t worry! No offense taken at all. Sorry to make you think you might have. I agree on the humble pie thing too... I realize that I might be eating my words on Wednesday. I really really REALLY hope I don''t have to though.
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Date: 11/1/2008 12:46:19 AM
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Date: 11/1/2008 12:23:24 AM
Author: Dancing Fire
just don''t be shock if he happen to lose. this race is closer than you think.
If that''s true, then America deserves exactly what it gets if McCain is elected. Seriously.
Don''t let those inflammatory comments get to you. They are so not worth it.
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I will have an extremely difficult time crawling out of bed the next day if Obama does not win. And I could care less if anyone wants to throw that back in my face. I really fear that if McCain is elected, I''m going to have much bigger problems than someone making fun of me on Pricescope . . .Date: 11/1/2008 10:29:31 PM
Author: zhuzhu
Date: 11/1/2008 12:46:19 AM
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Date: 11/1/2008 12:23:24 AM
Author: Dancing Fire
just don''t be shock if he happen to lose. this race is closer than you think.
If that''s true, then America deserves exactly what it gets if McCain is elected. Seriously.
Don''t let those inflammatory comments get to you. They are so not worth it.
That said, I will say the same thing that I say after every election. If I don''t win, I hope that I am proven wrong and that the other candidate proves to be the best for the country.
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Oh my goodness, Thing... I couldn''t agree more.
I have been immersed in this election since Dec. 2004... back when they thought Evan Bayh was a likely contender for the Dem nominee!
IT NEEDS TO BE OVER. But it being over isn''t going to help me one bit if McCain is elected, so I''m rather glad we''ve got a couple more days.
Mostly, though, I''m just scared. Scared that no matter what happens in the election that this country has gone too far down to manage a recovery in as short as 8 not to mention 4 short years. That''s a lot to ask of any person, and a president is just that- one person who has to contend with two much larger legislative bodies that won''t always agree. I''m not sure that peoples'' perception of what is possible in a short timeframe is accurate, and I think we''ll see a lot of undue criticism of the next president as a result.
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I''m enjoying this election. I''m enjoying the intensity and level of interest. Being the Pollyanna that I am, I''m hoping that this election will be the beginning of a generally more involved, interested, and (eventually) better educated electorate. I know that not everyone who has suddently "found election" is well versed in the issues, but something tells me this could be a political coming-of-age for a lot of Americans.
I''m not liking the polarization that seems especially bad in this election (or is that just a memory problem?) We don''t discuss the election at all at work, except in hushed tones or when co-workers get together away from work. It seems like the stakes are so high this time, and the divides so deep, that we''re all being extremely careful to leave that grenade outside of the office.
I''m not liking the polarization that seems especially bad in this election (or is that just a memory problem?) We don''t discuss the election at all at work, except in hushed tones or when co-workers get together away from work. It seems like the stakes are so high this time, and the divides so deep, that we''re all being extremely careful to leave that grenade outside of the office.
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I''ve really enjoyed this election too (although it helps that Obama seems to be winning). David Broder has an article in the Washington Post saying that this is the best race he''s ever covered, only Kennedy-Nixon coming close. I really enjoyed watching Hillary and Obama battling it out to the very end and seeing who would triumph. I was also looking forward to McCain''s campaign but was disappointed that the McCain from 2000 was a no show.
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nah...she don''t bother me.Date: 11/1/2008 10:29:31 PM
Author: zhuzhu
Date: 11/1/2008 12:46:19 AM
Author: thing2of2
Date: 11/1/2008 12:23:24 AM
Author: Dancing Fire
just don''t be shock if he happen to lose. this race is closer than you think.
If that''s true, then America deserves exactly what it gets if McCain is elected. Seriously.
Don''t let those inflammatory comments get to you. They are so not worth it.
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Date: 11/2/2008 1:31:13 AM
Author: decodelighted
Date: 11/2/2008 1:16:21 AM
Author: Dancing Fire
nah...she don''t bother me.
She don''t bother you? I am shock!Back to celebrate! Count chickens unhatched!
Now that you''ve perfected the art of one-liners, Dancing Fire, you should try having them make sense! Then, after you make sense, you should work on making them funny! That''s really the ultimate goal of one-liners.
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Date: 11/1/2008 10:42:49 PM
Author: MaggieB
Date: 11/1/2008 10:29:31 PM
Author: zhuzhu
Date: 11/1/2008 12:46:19 AM
Author: thing2of2
Date: 11/1/2008 12:23:24 AM
Author: Dancing Fire
just don''t be shock if he happen to lose. this race is closer than you think.
If that''s true, then America deserves exactly what it gets if McCain is elected. Seriously.
Don''t let those inflammatory comments get to you. They are so not worth it.
I will have an extremely difficult time crawling out of bed the next day if Obama does not win. And I could care less if anyone wants to throw that back in my face. I really fear that if McCain is elected, I''m going to have much bigger problems than someone making fun of me on Pricescope . . .
That said, I will say the same thing that I say after every election. If I don''t win, I hope that I am proven wrong and that the other candidate proves to be the best for the country.
Don''t worry, Zhuzhu-I don''t think Dancing Fire could get to me no matter how hard he tried! It takes a lot to get to me and I don''t think Dancing Fire has it in him.
I agree with you MaggieB, although I doubt McCain/Palin could prove us wrong. But we shall see...only 2 more days!
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