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LoubieLove

LoubieLove

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I am looking at a 1.7 carat I VS2 diamond. The gemologist states that it is eye clean and can only be detected at the right angle if an expert knew what to look for. Since it appears to be near the surface of the table, I am a little concerned that it is not really eye clean. Can these crystals usually be seen without a loupe? It is an excellent cut diamond.

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LoubieLove|1391720195|3609437 said:
I am looking at a 1.7 carat I VS2 diamond. The gemologist states that it is eye clean and can only be detected at the right angle if an expert knew what to look for. Since it appears to be near the surface of the table, I am a little concerned that it is not really eye clean. Can these crystals usually be seen without a loupe? It is an excellent cut diamond.
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Many VS2 stones are completely eye clean, others are not. Eye clean to one person does not make it eye clean to another. I would want to see the diamond with my own eyes to make sure I am happy with what I see.
 
I slightly disagree. With the okay of the gemologist and GIA Vs I would assume it is eye clean to 6" from face.
 
heididdl|1391733765|3609611 said:
I slightly disagree. With the okay of the gemologist and GIA Vs I would assume it is eye clean to 6" from face.
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I wouldn't assume that unless I verified that is the definition of eyeclean the vendor is using.

I would call again and ask what their definition of eyeclean is. If it matches yours, great. If it doesn't then you need to speak to them a bit more.
 
I wouldn't assume that either. And that stone wouldn't fly with me.

But for what it's worth: if it can be seen AT ALL, PERIOD. without a loupe, any distance, any angle, any lighting condition, AT ALL, I don't consider it eye clean.
 
Thank you. I really appreciate everyone's input.

I was a little hesitant to order the stone, but we decided to purchase it and take a closer look. I agree with you Ame. If I can see the crystal AT ALL without a loupe, I will return it immediately. For $13,000, I think I should be able to get an excellent cut and completely eye-clean 1.5-1.7 carat stone.
 
LoubieLove|1391771786|3609907 said:
Thank you. I really appreciate everyone's input.

I was a little hesitant to order the stone, but we decided to purchase it and take a closer look. I agree with you Ame. If I can see the crystal AT ALL without a loupe, I will return it immediately. For $13,000, I think I should be able to get an excellent cut and completely eye-clean 1.5-1.7 carat stone.
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Whether or not it is eye clean to the gemologist, it will not tell you whether or not it is eye clean to you. I have great eyes for detecting inclusions because I am near sighted and can often see things that others can not. I was amazed one day to have a client who could then see things from across my desk with his eyes that neither myself or his fiance could see without a loupe. I went so far as to orient the stone in my tweezers with the inclusion in different quadrants and he would tell me where it was and I would verify with my loupe.

So, back went the diamond and a VS1 was brought in for him. Ten years later when he came in for an Anniversary diamond and I started showing him VS1s he said, "Oh no! I have been doing too much close up work at work (Hewlet Packard) and I can no longer see as good as I used to, Bring in some of those VS2s and lets save some money."

Wink
 
Funny story Wink. I understand that eye-clean is totally subjective. That is part of the reason why my boyfriend is letting me choose my own diamond. We don't want to pay the premium for a flawless stone because there are plenty of VS2's and even SI1's where inclusions can't be seen without a loupe. Unfortunately, my boyfriend has terrible vision and can't really see anything up close. I on the other hand have eagle eyes! So what is eye-clean to him may not be eye-clean to me.
 
I told you I think the same thing elsewhere ;) I hope it passes your muster in person. Also-sorry for my tardy reply, I am getting over the stomach bug and today we're burying my grandma so Im not really present.

Wink--I am "that guy." Or girl. Whatever. I gave Jim's staff a total Ripley's Believe it or Not experience last weekend.
 
Thanks Ame! No need to apologize. I truly appreciate you and everyone else taking their time to help me find a beautiful diamond.

Sorry to hear about your grandma :((
 
Don't forget GIA clarity grading only considers the top view, not the side view.

Sometimes a black spot will be located at a place in the diamond that results in it not only being very visible in a side view, but one black spot may appear multiple times in a side view.

When this is the case the setting may influence your diamond buying decision.
A full bezel setting may hide everything, while a tension setting may bring attention to it.
 
So I picked up the stone and am unable to find the inclusion without a loupe. I am definitely going to take it home and inspect it in different lighting situations. I was certain I would find it immediately. I can't even see it from the side. The picture James Allen posted was at 40x magnification and the inclusion was clearly visible. I'm confused. Could the fact that it was magnified so much be the reason it was so visible in the picture? Or maybe my eyesight is worse than I thought. The diamond is absolutely gorgeous otherwise and sparkles like crazy. In fact, I picked out a Tacori setting with the basket which would hide a lot of the stone. As soon as we saw the diamond, we both commented how beautiful it would look in an open setting.
 
LoubieLove|1391799935|3610218 said:
So I picked up the stone and am unable to find the inclusion without a loupe. I am definitely going to take it home and inspect it in different lighting situations. I was certain I would find it immediately. I can't even see it from the side. The picture James Allen posted was at 40x magnification and the inclusion was clearly visible. I'm confused. Could the fact that it was magnified so much be the reason it was so visible in the picture? Or maybe my eyesight is worse than I thought. The diamond is absolutely gorgeous otherwise and sparkles like crazy. In fact, I picked out a Tacori setting with the basket which would hide a lot of the stone. As soon as we saw the diamond, we both commented how beautiful it would look in an open setting.
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Could be either of the above. Give yourself time. If you don't see it and knowing it's there doesn't bother you, this could be your stone.
 
LoubieLove|1391799935|3610218 said:
The picture James Allen posted was at 40x magnification and the inclusion was clearly visible. I'm confused. Could the fact that it was magnified so much be the reason it was so visible in the picture?
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Absolutely!

Compared to 40x magnification the inclusion in person with the naked eye is 40 times smaller.
 
The photos don't show the brilliance and scintillation of a diamond that is why inclusions become much harder to see in real life than in a magnified photo.


Generally I avoid black crystals in the table as under the right lighting conditions such as shadowed light like in your house they become a lot more visible , my sister had a VS2 and couldn't stop staring at the black crystal in the table.
Lighting and as discussed by others the ability of the viewer to see inclusions with their eye determines eye cleanliness. Because diamonds are graded under florescent daylight lamps they are not graded in all lighting conditions and relief becomes more apparent in dimmer lighting.But it seems you can't see the inclusion so I wouldn't worry
 
If you are in the States, bringing in the diamond to see it in person will be the best method. If you do see an inclusion, you will most probably not be able to unsee it. It's time to send it back and get another stone.
 
Thanks everyone! My boyfriend and I spent a lot of time scrutinizing the diamond last night and looking for that spot. We can see it with the 20x loupe, but neither one of us can find it with our own eyes, even in the brightest light. If I look very closely from the side, I can see something, but I'm not sure what I am looking at.

The stone is absolutely beautiful and the inclusion seems to be the only downside. To me, it looks more like a tiny scratch, not a crystal, although I am no expert. I am taking it to an independent appraiser/gemologist to get his input before I make my final decision.
 
Update: So I found another diamond on James Allen yesterday and was waiting for them to email me the AGS report. In the meantime, someone posted it in another thread here on Pricescope. I had a small panic attack as I was seriously thinking of purchasing this other diamond since it is AGS graded Ideal, Hearts and Arrows, and has very minor inclusions for a VS2. I went ahead and contacted James Allen to hold the stone. My guess is everyone will say this is a better choice. Sorry Gypsy, not trying to poach. I truly found this diamond yesterday and we were interested in exchanging the one we purchased for this one. I didn't want anyone to nab it.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.66-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-267385
 
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