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scarsmum

scarsmum

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A4465A2C-E203-47DC-B7F4-8F8B4840B5E1.jpeg Hi diamond lovers. I have had to place my big asscher on consignment to help us cover a large unexpected expense and I’m pretty upset about it, though my DH doesn’t know that. I’m assuming my diamond will take a longish time to sell because of its size but in the meantime I’ve started to look at some cheap alternatives to just allow me to be wearing something and ease the pain a bit.

I came across an asscher in the 2 carat range listed really cheaply - like 30% less than similar, probably due to the large crystal inclusion marring the face.

My question is, assuming it’s a financial bargain and gives good size and cut, what do you think of this diamond if it were in real life size (7.3 mm square). Where does eyeclean come in your list of priorities?

I was going to title this thread “is this diamond eye clean?” But then thought better of it.
 
I am sorry that you have to sell your asscher and sending dust for a quick sale.

I tolerate inclusions a lot, but I don’t believe that the new stone that you are looking at will be eye-clean . Step cuts especially do not have the ability to hide inclusions well. The inclusion also looks like a feather and is likely surface reaching and for that I wouldn’t consider that stone as a suitable replacement.

Would you share your potential budget? I bet that people will help you find a better alternative.
 
I had an EC with a feather under the table...it was small, looked like a speck of dust, but knowing it was there drove me bonkers. Not that I know you, but...I feel like I do. I don't think you'll be happy with this stone. There might be other stones that are available with inclusions that aren't going to be as visible. Have you done a lot of looking yet?
I'm so sorry that you are faced with having to sell your beautiful Asscher. I've admired it since you got it! But things happen and we need to roll with it, I undertand.
The stone @AV_ posted is a little smaller (I don't know the price difference) but it's beautiful! What do you think??
 
SimoneDi said:
I am sorry that you have to sell your asscher and sending dust for a quick sale.

I tolerate inclusions a lot, but I don’t believe that the new stone that you are looking at will be eye-clean . Step cuts especially do not have the ability to hide inclusions well. The inclusion also looks like a feather and is likely surface reaching and for that I wouldn’t consider that stone as a suitable replacement.

Would you share your potential budget? I bet that people will help you find a better alternative.
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I know it won’t be eyeclean, I’m just wondering if I can live with it. It’s over two carat for under 7k. That’s what makes it tempting. If I can find anything over 2 carat for 7k I’d love to take a look, even at other shapes. This one is a J which is as low as I would really want to go.

Blingalingaling said:
I had an EC with a feather under the table...it was small, looked like a speck of dust, but knowing it was there drove me bonkers. Not that I know you, but...I feel like I do. I don't think you'll be happy with this stone. There might be other stones that are available with inclusions that aren't going to be as visible. Have you done a lot of looking yet?
I'm so sorry that you are faced with having to sell your beautiful Asscher. I've admired it since you got it! But things happen and we need to roll with it, I undertand.
The stone @AV_ posted is a little smaller (I don't know the price difference) but it's beautiful! What do you think??
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It is beautiful, but it’s a very expensive 1 carat. I’m looking for something biggish if it can be done, I just love a sizable stone and I’m used to wearing my big beautiful stone. If total wants to do a clearance sale I’ll be in!
 
I even considered this one on loupe troop https://loupetroop.com/listings/rin...-opalescent-grey-diamond-inverted-melee;24612 until I realized that hey, even if it is a fancy white and even if it does resemble to moon, I just don’t like it. My diamond is really irreplaceable without spending the same amount or close to it for something equally stunning. It’s just hard to accept that, even though it’s for the best possible reason. I loved that stone.
 
scarsmum said:
I know it won’t be eyeclean, I’m just wondering if I can live with it. It’s over two carat for under 7k. That’s what makes it tempting. If I can find anything over 2 carat for 7k I’d love to take a look, even at other shapes. This one is a J which is as low as I would really want to go.



It is beautiful, but it’s a very expensive 1 carat. I’m looking for something biggish if it can be done, I just love a sizable stone and I’m used to wearing my big beautiful stone. If total wants to do a clearance sale I’ll be in!
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I mean Yoram not total!
 
Ok, yes, I see what you mean...can you give Yekutiel at IDJ a call? I don't know if you're set with someone to work with yet, but my experience has been that he keeps a very open mind when looking at parameters in stones and his prices are excellent. Or how about Grace? She often has great looking stones at reasonable prices.
Another thought about shapes, and that is that Asschers tend to face up smaller for their weight than other shapes, so maybe if you go with an EC (to stay with step cuts) or look at other cuts that show larger for their carat weight (marquise, pears or ovals for example) that don't hold so much of their weight in the depth of the stone, you might get more bang for the proverbial buck. At least, for the time being :)
 
Or how about getting a beautiful 5 stone band? Or something that you can wear later on when you can swing the purchase of a new stone like your Asscher? That would give you a completely different look, yet be substantial and stunning on your hand. It wouldn't compete with your Asscher, either. <3
 
What is the return policy for the asscher that you are considering? Is it worth it to you to see the diamond with your own eyes and decide if you can live with the inclusion? Would the steps of the Asscher reflect the inclusion throughout?
I am sorry that you have to put your Asscher up for sale and hope that you find a diamond that you can also love.
 
I apologise for asking this question, but I feel it's a sensible question. You're selling your beloved diamond because of financial difficulty, which I totally understand, but then wish to spend 7k on a diamond that you're probably just going to be really unhappy with, because it's not your beloved diamond? I'm not sure I understand? I'm sure a lot of hard thought has gone into selling your diamond, but it sounds as if your diamond will free up more money than you need freed up? In which case are you selling the right thing??? You do not have to answer! It's none of my business. But I just wanted to say that as it sounds like this is a sale you will regret.... I mean this all from the kindest place and and I'm being explicit about that because this is the internet and you cannot see me or hear my tone of voice. :) Are you able to talk to your husband about it? If he knew the value of this stone to you then perhaps there would be an alternative route? Again don't answer! Just pondering. :)

If you still have 7k to spend or less, why not get an ideal cut moissanite (the august vintage ones look so pretty and you could get one custom cut!) or get a smaller but very beautiful stone... Or a five stone! But not something that you won't enjoy but still will have spent 7k on. I feel like in your heart of hearts you'll know what types of rings will do that for you and which will just ... Suck.

I wish you the best in this difficult decision and hope you find something glorious and sparkly!
 
scarsmum said:
I know it won’t be eyeclean, I’m just wondering if I can live with it. It’s over two carat for under 7k. That’s what makes it tempting. If I can find anything over 2 carat for 7k I’d love to take a look, even at other shapes. This one is a J which is as low as I would really want to go.
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Okay, I understand. Perhaps a good way to check is to visit some local jewelry shops and ask to see low clarity step cuts. We all have different tolerance levels when it comes to inclusions.

I do second the moissy suggestion in order to have something sparkly to enjoy until your current stone sells or until you can comfortably purchase something else that you will love. 7k is indeed a lot of money to spend on something that might not truly make you happy. Also, step cuts with a visible table inclusion will be a difficult resale if that is a consideration. I would consider a good upgrade policy if you are to go that route.
 
scarsmum said:
It is beautiful, but it’s a very expensive 1 carat.
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True enough.

On another hand, I cannot think of a compromise... A blanc slate is more appealing (creative destruction!)
 
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Don't do it. Clarity matters more in a step cut. You'd have a very hard time selling it down the road when you were ready to upgrade.

You've already had the suggestion to get a simulant. Watching pre-loved pieces is a good idea, too. But my additional suggestion is to have a quality 5 stone diamond band (1.5-2 ctw) made to wear for now, and down the road when you can replace your large solitaire, you can always wear the 5 stone as a right hand ring or an alternative to your e-ring. I would definitely not buy a diamond now that you wouldn't love to keep long term, because buying diamonds and reselling results in too much loss of money.
 
I had many of the same questions as @Lykame. And if you know your asscher might take “longish” to sell, yet you incur a $7K replacement before it does, how is that freeing up funds?

What if it never sells? Then you would have two diamonds and no money?

Can you sell something else to become liquid? Car, stocks, earrings/other jewelry?
 
Lykame said:
I apologise for asking this question, but I feel it's a sensible question. You're selling your beloved diamond because of financial difficulty, which I totally understand, but then wish to spend 7k on a diamond that you're probably just going to be really unhappy with, because it's not your beloved diamond? I'm not sure I understand? I'm sure a lot of hard thought has gone into selling your diamond, but it sounds as if your diamond will free up more money than you need freed up? In which case are you selling the right thing??? You do not have to answer! It's none of my business. But I just wanted to say that as it sounds like this is a sale you will regret.... I mean this all from the kindest place and and I'm being explicit about that because this is the internet and you cannot see me or hear my tone of voice. :) Are you able to talk to your husband about it? If he knew the value of this stone to you then perhaps there would be an alternative route? Again don't answer! Just pondering. :)

If you still have 7k to spend or less, why not get an ideal cut moissanite (the august vintage ones look so pretty and you could get one custom cut!) or get a smaller but very beautiful stone... Or a five stone! But not something that you won't enjoy but still will have spent 7k on. I feel like in your heart of hearts you'll know what types of rings will do that for you and which will just ... Suck.

I wish you the best in this difficult decision and hope you find something glorious and sparkly!
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I know, I make little sense in this way. My diamond is worth around 50k in the preloved market which would come down to about 45 in the sale process. I just can’t justify having a 50k ring when we’re having to adjust our financial planning. At the time of purchase the cost was dispensible but things have sure changed lately. I think I could justify a 7k ring though, so that’s where my mind has gone. It may be best not to wear a ring at all but there’s a great big sad empty hole on my finger. I’m really not sure how to move forward. Could I spend 70k on a ring again? - maybe; but probably not for a decade. I might be dead by then, lol.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
Don't do it. Clarity matters more in a step cut. You'd have a very hard time selling it down the road when you were ready to upgrade.

You've already had the suggestion to get a simulant. Watching pre-loved pieces is a good idea, too. But my additional suggestion is to have a quality 5 stone diamond band (1.5-2 ctw) made to wear for now, and down the road when you can replace your large solitaire, you can always wear the 5 stone as a right hand ring or an alternative to your e-ring. I would definitely not buy a diamond now that you wouldn't love to keep long term, because buying diamonds and reselling results in too much loss of money.
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You’re definitely right about it being a hard resell and being left with two diamonds.
 
Have you looked in the fabulous fashion jewelry section?
You can get a nice solid platinum or gold setting with a moissanite of your current same size that won't fade or have to be replaced every few months for a very minimal cost to replace the one you are consigning for the time being.
Once finances are back ( even if it takes a few years) where you need them to be to get the ring you are consigning, you can get the new diamond and it will go unnoticed that your old one was ever gone or that you replaced the temporary moissanite with the new one when you get it replaced again at a later time.

Everyone is different, many people would rather have a real diamond, but I would rather replace a nice diamond with a moissantie than with a much smaller included one that would still cost a substantial amount.
 
@scarsmum you haven’t said where you are consigning your ring, perhaps a link in the Preloved section might expose it to a wider audience? Just a thought.
 
scarsmum said:
I know, I make little sense in this way. My diamond is worth around 50k in the preloved market which would come down to about 45 in the sale process. I just can’t justify having a 50k ring when we’re having to adjust our financial planning. At the time of purchase the cost was dispensible but things have sure changed lately. I think I could justify a 7k ring though, so that’s where my mind has gone. It may be best not to wear a ring at all but there’s a great big sad empty hole on my finger. I’m really not sure how to move forward. Could I spend 70k on a ring again? - maybe; but probably not for a decade. I might be dead by then, lol.
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I'm sorry you're in such a difficult situation. :( I do understand that if you're selling something worth 50 then 7k to make you feel as happy as possible considering the hole... I do understand that and would probably wish to do something equivalent so my finger didn't feel naked. I can see how that would work. What worries me is that as diamonds aren't an investment, you'll lose 20-25k in the selling process automatically. Please really make sure you're choosing the right thing to help you in this difficult time.

If you're going to spend 7k on a new ring, as I said before, PLEASE spend it on something that will make your heart sing. It won't be the same as your current ring but it must make your heart sing otherwise it will be worse than having an empty finger. The stone you posted here for example, you will hate it. You will never unsee that inclusion. You're used to a stone that doesn't do that.

Have a long think about what you think would make you happy as a replacement and start a new thread. You may need to make one in a couple of the forums (including the one that covers simulants if you're up for that) and see what people suggest.

Best wishes in all of these matters,
Lydia.
 
I know discussions of sims are not allowed here. Nevertheless would go that route if I were you. Don't settle. For $46 you can get a really decent looking xxx. And then just wait until the stars align for you to get a beautiful step cut that you love. I think I'll go post my itch scratcher in that other forum now.
 
scarsmum said:
I know, I make little sense in this way. My diamond is worth around 50k in the preloved market which would come down to about 45 in the sale process.
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What are the specs of your stone?
 
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