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kenny|1310675083|2969049 said:ALL murder is equally bad IMHO.
BTW, I hear a very large percentage of murders happen within the family.
Nothing stirs emotions like family.
kenny|1310672346|2969015 said:I've stayed out of this one but am growing curious on why it has such legs because IMHO all humans have equal value.
Children and adults.
Female and male.
Cute little girls and ugly old men.
White and black.
Daughters and strangers.
Murders happen all the time.
Every one is equally bad and upsetting, well at least in my book.
Apparently this one gets people here wound up because it was a cute little white girl, and a daughter of the defendant to boot and this forum has many white moms.
This one hits home, but it shouldn't.
Actually all murders should.
I just wonder why every black gang member murdered by some latino gang member doesn't also get 25 pages.
JewelFreak|1310682502|2969137 said:Italia, I agree with you. For about the first week after I read the details of the evidence I was continually haunted, picturing anyone drugging & taping the face of that child (any child) -- let alone her mother. Also the coldness, as in driving around for days with her little girl's body in the car, going about partying as usual.
Maybe it's our attempts to understand this. And how different it is from the worlds most of us exist in. The minds we exist in. Like a car wreck, difficult not to stare.
--- Laurie
lulu|1310695810|2969328 said:I don't think all murders are equally bad. If God asked me if I wanted gang bangers to kill each other or the murder of an innocent 2 year old, I'd go for the gang bangers everytime. It's a sliding scale.
The law has always recognized distinctions among murders and punishes accordingly.
Italiahaircolor|1310680008|2969105 said:kenny|1310672346|2969015 said:I've stayed out of this one but am growing curious on why it has such legs because IMHO all humans have equal value.
Children and adults.
Female and male.
Cute little girls and ugly old men.
White and black.
Daughters and strangers.
Murders happen all the time.
Every one is equally bad and upsetting, well at least in my book.
Apparently this one gets people here wound up because it was a cute little white girl, and a daughter of the defendant to boot and this forum has many white moms.
This one hits home, but it shouldn't.
Actually all murders should.
I just wonder why every black gang member murdered by some latino gang member doesn't also get 25 pages.
You know, I think the reason--for me, at least--that I latched onto this case was because the victim was so innocent and so young and so sweet, and there is a lot of video of Caylee out there--it's not just pictures of her...she's singing "You Are My Sunshine" and reading her favorite story the day before she died or was last seen. So to watch that and know what happened the very next day? It's heartbreaking, and it's so sad. It's a very emotional case because is so much out there on Caylee.
I don't, obviously, agree with murder--anyone's murder for any reason. And I do feel like every death is sad and unfortunate...but there is something about the loss of child that, I don't know, is a different level of sad.
A gang banger, he or she makes a choice--they run with a certain crowd and surround themselves with violence. But, children, they don't. They don't know enough of the world to make those choices, they're innocent. Their whole world is the people that love them and protect them. They're babies--they can't protect themselves...so when there's a good possibility that child's own mother smothered that child, it's really hard to wrap your mind around.
lulu|1310695810|2969328 said:I don't think all murders are equally bad. If God asked me if I wanted gang bangers to kill each other or the murder of an innocent 2 year old, I'd go for the gang bangers everytime. It's a sliding scale.
The law has always recognized distinctions among murders and punishes accordingly.
risingsun|1310707944|2969446 said:lulu|1310695810|2969328 said:I don't think all murders are equally bad. If God asked me if I wanted gang bangers to kill each other or the murder of an innocent 2 year old, I'd go for the gang bangers everytime. It's a sliding scale.
The law has always recognized distinctions among murders and punishes accordingly.
I agree with you, lulu. To say all murders are equally bad is moral relativism. It's time to say that certain acts are heinous and deserve special consequences. For the sake of all of us, can the people in this country please develop some critical thinking skills and use them.
Italiahaircolor|1310689876|2969241 said:Cindy, IMHO, has an ability to compartmentalize things. Very much like Casey does. I think, when they said the chapter was closed, they meant it. Broken though they may be, and they may have loved their granddaughter, Cindy will now cling to what she has and let the rest go. If Casey wanted to go home...she'd make her bed with fresh sheets and hit the grocery store. What happened in the courthouse, that's boxed up now and in the past, I suspect.
George, I do believe, operates on a different wave length. He knows what happened, so on that I agree with you completely. But he doesn't strike me as the type to stand up to Cindy, no matter what.
LAJennifer|1310706879|2969435 said:And sometimes there is the innocent bystander that lives in the wrong neighborhood that becomes the victim of violence. I could rant for days and days about what happened to Jamiel Shaw in Los Angeles a few years ago. Rising young high school Football Running Back, with a great future ahead of him - gunned down as he got off the bus 2 blocks from his home. The offender happened to be an illegal immigrant member of an illegal gang. He had done some jail time, and LAPD turned him loose to the streets of LA (instead of deporting him). He shot Jamiel the very day he was released. Jamiel's mother was serving in Iraq at the time. Could you imagine receiving that news?
JewelFreak|1310727775|2969517 said:Italiahaircolor|1310689876|2969241 said:Cindy, IMHO, has an ability to compartmentalize things. Very much like Casey does. I think, when they said the chapter was closed, they meant it. Broken though they may be, and they may have loved their granddaughter, Cindy will now cling to what she has and let the rest go. If Casey wanted to go home...she'd make her bed with fresh sheets and hit the grocery store. What happened in the courthouse, that's boxed up now and in the past, I suspect.
George, I do believe, operates on a different wave length. He knows what happened, so on that I agree with you completely. But he doesn't strike me as the type to stand up to Cindy, no matter what.
Good points all, Italia. You may be right. Cindy would welcome Casey home w/open arms -- then hound her continually to tell what happened to Caylee. And if she did tell, would beat her with it forever but not kick her out. I still think the emotional punishment has taken years from George's life.
I read a book by a psychiatrist once regarding Jeff McDonald, who has for 30 yrs steadfastly denied stabbing his pregnant wife & 2 daughters despite all evidence. The shrink said McDonald has probably convinced himself he really didn't do it, narcissists being so adept at compartmentalizing. I can see that possibility w/Casey.
kenny|1310710042|2969462 said:risingsun|1310707944|2969446 said:lulu|1310695810|2969328 said:I don't think all murders are equally bad. If God asked me if I wanted gang bangers to kill each other or the murder of an innocent 2 year old, I'd go for the gang bangers everytime. It's a sliding scale.
The law has always recognized distinctions among murders and punishes accordingly.
I agree with you, lulu. To say all murders are equally bad is moral relativism. It's time to say that certain acts are heinous and deserve special consequences. For the sake of all of us, can the people in this country please develop some critical thinking skills and use them.
I have no problem with there being many differing opinions.
I would not insult people who disagree with me by saying they lack critical thinking skills.
People just vary, even those with critical thinking skills.
risingsun|1310748884|2969727 said:My comment was not directed at you, Kenny. I think, overall, that there are many people who lack well developed critical thinking skills. When a juror states that one of the reasons they found Casey not guilty was because "a mother wouldn't do that to her child," we have an example poor critical thinking skills. Mothers have done this to their children and will continue to do so. If this was the overarching rationale for the verdict, something has gone very wrong with the judicial system and the judge should have tossed it out. I believe the judge has the right to do this. Can someone clarify this for me.
Resonance.Of.Life|1310762418|2969916 said:She's going to try to appeal the four misdemeanor guilty verdicts of "providing false information to police officers." *Sigh.. I guess she's going to see how much she can get away with.
JewelFreak|1310767973|2969977 said:Is taking the 5th in a civil trial allowed? I remember when the Browns sued OJ, people crowed because he would have to testify & wouldn't be able to take the 5th. Do I have it wrong? How can you be permitted to do that over a charge of which you've already been found innocent & can't be tried again?
Doesn't matter in this case anyhow. Since she's been acquitted, she can stand on a rooftop & shout that she did it. Nobody can do a thing to her.
This reminds me of the Danielle Van Dam case. The defense knew David Westerfield murdered her -- they had been planning on cutting a deal to show the police where the body was found (and then it was) -- but insinuated the parents were responsible it in open court.Italiahaircolor|1310783115|2970157 said:Did anyone know that defenses jury consultant, Amy Singer, came forward and spoke out about how they decided to target George?
Apparently, it was public opinion. Sites like Facebook, Twitter planted the seed...people made off the cuff comments about how they would bet George knew something...and Amy Singer gathered all that information and handed it over to the defense. Once Baez had it in hand, they tweaked their defense to paint George as the bad guy.
Here is a link to explain this better:
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-tampa-bay/casey-anthony-trial-consultant-reveals-social-media-strategy-to-go-after-george
Am I the only one who feels like that is just wrong?
I understand the defense gets to play by another set of rules...but still...ruining someones life like that? I don't think that's okay, I don't think that's right, and CA going along with it--especially if it wasn't true--is just criminal. I guess it all boils down to just another lie among many...no worse than the others, but certainly no better. It's really gross...and yes, it's a miscarriage of justice IMO.