CA Mom who gave birth to octuplets has SIX other kids at home under age 7!

[decodelighted]

I think the woman must have a hoarding disorder ... like the people you find in houses filled to the gills w/ grimy, unfixed cats & dogs. But obviously her parents are complicit ... co-dependent ... enabling. PLEASE tell me someone in the delivery room had the good sense to tie her tubes? BAH .. I guess I jest.

** but not really **

 

[tlh]

Date: 1/30/2009 12:38:33 PM
Author: decodelighted
I think the woman must have a hoarding disorder ... like the people you find in houses filled to the gills w/ grimy, unfixed cats & dogs. But obviously her parents are complicit ... co-dependent ... enabling. PLEASE tell me someone in the delivery room had the good sense to tie her tubes? BAH .. I guess I jest.

** but not really **

I mean, her uterus WAS on her stomach... what if a nurse accidently slipped and nipped the fallopian tubes?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/30/2009 12:30:51 PM
Author: tlh

Date: 1/30/2009 12:26:22 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 1/30/2009 12:24:07 PM
Author: tlh
You know, I don''t judge women getting treatments after 6 kids... but dont they usually get their tubes TIED???

I''d be much less inclined to, if she was married, and they lived in their own home, and could afford the children (though it would take quite a salary to raise 14 kids). But this situation is entirely different.

I know.

I''m just being silly. In all honesty, I am too APPALLED to say anything nice. As I figure this woman is suffering from a serious mental illness. So I just figured I''d be uplifting.

Oh. Missed that, obviously.

 

[Sha]

I just saw this and was about to post it. Just - WOW. There is no way that she''s going to have the energy or time to take care of 14 children under the age of 7!!

And where is the father? I hope he''s at least involved in some way. She''s going to need a lot of help.

And yeah.....why did she request fertility treatments after having six children already, esp. knowing the risks of multiples?

 

[Po10472]

Right, you are a single parent in your late twenties with 6 kids under the age of 7 living with your parents............What is the sensible thing to do...........oh, eh, maybe decide not to have any more children by ensuring you don't have unprotected sex and are on the pill or get sterilised?

This situation, 14 weans (pronounced waynes - really it means "wee ones" Scottish slang), nae husband and nae hoose!!!

Sounds to me like this was a medical experiment and she was fool enough to go for it. Seriously, this is the only explanation I can think of. Sure Drs can't tell people what to do, but they can advise and refuse to do something that could potentially kill a women never mind a single mother of 6!

This is just really selfish on the poor children. Who knows what standard of love and attention they're each going to have. I mean for fecksakes, I heard on the radio that she was hoping to breast-feed them once they got a little bigger.

Big house? Should be a barn with some straw cos they'll be latched on 24/7.

 

[tlh]

Date: 1/30/2009 12:54:34 PM
Author: Po10472
Right, you are a single parent in your late twenties with 6 kids under the age living with your parents............What is the sensible thing to do...........oh, eh, maybe decide not to have any more children by ensuring you don''t have unprotected sex and are on the pill or get sterilised?

This situation, 14 weans (pronounced waynes - really it means ''wee ones'' Scottish slang), nae husband and nae hoose!!!

Sounds to me like this was a medical experiment and she was fool enough to go for it. Seriously, this is the only explanation I can think of. Sure Drs can''t tell people what to do, but they can advise and refuse to do something that could potentially kill a women never mind a single mother of 6!

This is just really selfish on the poor children. Who knows what standard of love and attention they''re each going to have. I mean for fecksakes, I heard on the radio that she was hoping to breast-feed them once they got a little bigger.

Big house? Should be a barn with some straw cos they''ll be latched on 24/7.

GOOD POINT!!! What if I asked a DR to cut off my hand and put a hook in its place? I mean... its my choice... right? wouldn''t they send me for help?

 

[TravelingGal]

You know, it''s so sad that we as women judge others for their choices.

OK, I''m off my drugs now (which hopefully are not the ones THAT woman and her family and her doc were taking).

C''mon lady! God only gave you two nipples! Do the math!!!!

 

[innerkitten]

I found that a little odd. I know some people like big families but six is already a nice large sized family. At a certain point ( like 14 kids!) I feel it becomes sort of self indulgent.

 

[tlh]

Date: 1/30/2009 1:01:15 PM
Author: TravelingGal
You know, it''s so sad that we as women judge others for their choices.

OK, I''m off my drugs now (which hopefully are not the ones THAT woman and her family and her doc were taking).

C''mon lady! God only gave you two nipples! Do the math!!!!

Dina Byrnes: I had no idea you could milk a cat.
Greg Focker: Oh yeah, you can milk anything with nipples.
Jack Byrnes: I have nipples Greg. Could you milk me?

OK, seriously... why does this make me think of that??? haha

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 1/30/2009 9:38:16 AM
Author: Catmom
I have a bet going with my hubby that the only reason she did this was so that she could get a show on TLC like Jon & Kate +8 or the Duggers or that other weird family with 12 kids. I bet she told the fertility Doc she would split any profits in order to get the treatments. LOL, am I cynical or what?!

I thought the same thing. I actually watch Jon and Kate from time to time but I can''t watch the Duggers and that other family creeps me out a bit. I would be surprised if TLC picked up yet another multi-kid dysfunctional family but it will all come to $$ for them.

 

[Aloros]

Oh man, you people crack me up!

I read the article yesterday and remember thinking "What the...? Are you SERIOUS???"

She''s not having babies anymore...she''s having a litter! Who''s the dad? Do the kids have the same dad? Can she pay for all this? Why the fertility treatments after six kids? Why??

 

[vespergirl]

What unethical quack of a doctor allowed a single mother with 6 children who still lives with her parents to undergo fertility treatments? The doctor should have sterilized her instead. If you don''t have Angelina Jolie''s money, you should not have an extra 8 kids if you can''t support the 6 you already have.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

People, there has to be some missing information in this bizarre case. Apparently no one even knows who implanted her with EIGHT embryos! Let''s assume that there is something wrong with her mentally. But there is something even more wrong with a doctor who would even consider implanting eight embryos PERIOD, not to mention to a mother of 6 very young children!!!! What kind of doctor would do such a thing?????!!!!!

 

[movie zombie]

as a prochoice woman, i do not presume to tell another woman she cannot have children, that she must have children, or that she can or cannot have an abortion. its not up to me to make her decisions. the doctor is right: its his business to educate and it was her choice. so be it.

BUT I THINK SHE''S ABSOLUTELY OUT OF HER MIND! and i wonder about the sanity of her parents as well.

personally, i''d limit everyone to one or two, i don''t care what the family can afford $ wise as large families are still a strain/drain on the economy and resources....and, yes, i do have to support them too with my tax dollars in the form of more schools, roads, water treatment plants, etc.



movie zombie

 

[Diamond*Dana]

Wow...that is a lot of kids. I have 3 and most days I don''t know if I am coming or going!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 1/30/2009 1:46:39 PM
Author: movie zombie
as a prochoice woman, i do not presume to tell another woman she cannot have children, that she must have children, or that she can or cannot have an abortion. its not up to me to make her decisions. the doctor is right: its his business to educate and it was her choice. so be it.

BUT I THINK SHE''S ABSOLUTELY OUT OF HER MIND! and i wonder about the sanity of her parents as well.

personally, i''d limit everyone to one or two, i don''t care what the family can afford $ wise as large families are still a strain/drain on the economy and resources....and, yes, i do have to support them too with my tax dollars in the form of more schools, roads, water treatment plants, etc.



movie zombie

But that doctor was not the one who did the implanting. Apparently she showed up there and was already pregnant. But is WAS irresponsible of the original doctor who did it. I mean, is he just supposed to implant 20 embryos just because someone asks? I don''t think so.

 

[Anastasia]

I really try to "live and let live", and not judge other people''s choices.

But in this case, it is impossible to do that. What could possibly possess her to do this?

Absolutely insane.

 

[ChinaCat]

But aren''t fertility treatments expensive?????

Does it say whether she has a job or not? So confused by this story. It makes me tired.

 

[tlh]

Date: 1/30/2009 1:32:31 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
People, there has to be some missing information in this bizarre case. Apparently no one even knows who implanted her with EIGHT embryos! Let''s assume that there is something wrong with her mentally. But there is something even more wrong with a doctor who would even consider implanting eight embryos PERIOD, not to mention to a mother of 6 very young children!!!! What kind of doctor would do such a thing?????!!!!!

...him?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 1/30/2009 2:03:38 PM
Author: tlh

Date: 1/30/2009 1:32:31 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
People, there has to be some missing information in this bizarre case. Apparently no one even knows who implanted her with EIGHT embryos! Let''s assume that there is something wrong with her mentally. But there is something even more wrong with a doctor who would even consider implanting eight embryos PERIOD, not to mention to a mother of 6 very young children!!!! What kind of doctor would do such a thing?????!!!!!

...him?

Lol! That''s about the truth!!!

 

[Fleur_de_Lis]

I wasn't going to post on this subject because I'm not in good mood and I felt I would probably say something I would regret. However the majority of the responses are judgmental and uncalled for, especially since I'm sure most of you do not know this woman or her family.

First, I read the article, in the link provided, and no where did I read/see that she was in her late 20's and/or single and jobless. Did you ladies read/hear this somewhere else or are you just presuming? If I'm wrong please feel free to correct me and point me to precisely to where it states these "facts" the media has spouted. They [the media] are notorious for reporting fallacies or for stretching the truth. I personally have heard them report several different stories about this woman, so how about all the facts be gathered, from a reliable source, before you jump on this woman for being "irresponsible".

Besides, whether she's in her late 20s and single or if she's in her 40s and married, what does it matter to any of you? Unless she's on welfare, and sponging off your hard earned money, mine too, I don't see how her marital status and number children -or anything else pertaining to this woman- could possibly be the business of any of the posters here. I mean come on!! Are you so perfect that you can put down others for their choices, good or bad? I think not!
And to the poster that said this... " I'm sorry, this is one of THE most irresponsible things I've ever heard. I have no words, that are nice." Give me a f**king break! I have no nice words about your exceedingly judgmental and presumptuous remark either.

Normally I find the people that post here to be wise, level-headed and fairly compassionate individuals. However the majority of the posts -and posters- here [in this thread] are beyond judgmental and just plain rude with their assumptions.

 

[InLuv101]

Date: 1/30/2009 11:16:53 AM
Author: Definitely, Maybe

I find this whole situation with this woman to be appalling. It was one thing when they said *someone* had 8 babies, but to find out she has six more little children at home!

I’m not even sure that makes me mad the most… I think the fact that she STILL lives with her parents and there is no mention of the father of all of these children. It makes me absolutely sick that a doctor allowed her to do this knowing she had 2 year old twins, especially when there are so many women on PS (and around the world) that are trying so hard to have children and can’t and have to wait at least a YEAR of trying before they will be considered for fertility treatments.


OK. vent over.

Big Fat Ditto to every word!

 

[cara]

Doctors DO have ethical obligations in the treatments they provide. It is ludicrous to suggest they do not.

I am all for pro-choice on the part of the woman, but I do not think that gives you license to make choices that are likely to result in kids with serious medical issues or disabilities. Just like I do not support women doing drugs or drinking large amounts when pregnant - their "choice" has a significant impact on the next generation.

One of the most stunning things is what the grandmother said, that the embryos were implanted and they all took. When this story first broke, I assumed (like many of the external experts consulted by the press) that 8 were the result of some drug that caused hyperovulation. Not in-vitro, where the doctor has a choice of how many embryos to implant, because no decent doctor would implant 8 embryos in a woman that obviously does not have huge fertility challenges.

I think there is more story to uncover. What doctor did the fertility treatments and why? Who is the father? Why this bizarre setup of a woman and her 6 young children living with her parents undergoing fertility treatments without a father in sight? And the grandparents threatening to take the family away, out of sight of the press? (I mean, I understand wanting to get away from the press in this situation, but the whole situation is bizarre.)

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 1/30/2009 2:11:31 PM
Author: cara
Doctors DO have ethical obligations in the treatments they provide. It is ludicrous to suggest they do not.


I am all for pro-choice on the part of the woman, but I do not think that gives you license to make choices that are likely to result in kids with serious medical issues or disabilities. Just like I do not support women doing drugs or drinking large amounts when pregnant - their ''choice'' has a significant impact on the next generation.


One of the most stunning things is what the grandmother said, that the embryos were implanted and they all took. When this story first broke, I assumed (like many of the external experts consulted by the press) that 8 were the result of some drug that caused hyperovulation. Not in-vitro, where the doctor has a choice of how many embryos to implant, because no decent doctor would implant 8 embryos in a woman that obviously does not have huge fertility challenges.


I think there is more story to uncover. What doctor did the fertility treatments and why? Who is the father? Why this bizarre setup of a woman and her 6 young children living with her parents undergoing fertility treatments without a father in sight? And the grandparents threatening to take the family away, out of sight of the press? (I mean, I understand wanting to get away from the press in this situation, but the whole situation is bizarre.)

Agreed Cara. There is something missing to this story for sure.

 

[TravelingGal]

Was it done by invitro? When the story first broke, I thought they said it was done by drugs to stimulate ovulation?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 1/30/2009 2:21:45 PM
Author: TravelingGal
Was it done by invitro? When the story first broke, I thought they said it was done by drugs to stimulate ovulation?

I''m not sure we really know. I don''t mean to be judgemental, because I think large families are a valid choice when people can take care of the chidlren. I just don''t understand why someone with 6 kids would even be on fertility drugs. But I''ll say it again, there are big missing pieces to this story for sure.

 

[Selkie]

As usual, bits and pieces of the story dribble out slowly. Apparently, there IS a father, who is a contract worker due to head to Iraq shortly: http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/30/mother.octuplets/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
Still.
WTF??

 

[cara]

Date: 1/30/2009 2:07:40 PM
Author: .Jenevieve.
I wasn't going to post on this subject because I'm not in good mood and I felt I would probably say something I would regret. However the majority of the responses are judgmental and uncalled for, especially since I'm sure most of you do not know this woman or her family.

First, I read the article, in the link provided, and no where did I read/see that she was in her late 20's and/or single and jobless. Did you ladies read/hear this somewhere else or are you just presuming? If I'm wrong please feel free to correct me and point me to precisely to where it states these 'facts' the media has spouted. They [the media] are notorious for reporting fallacies or for stretching the truth. I personally have heard them report several different stories about this woman, so how about all the facts be gathered, from a reliable source, before you jump on this woman for being 'irresponsible'.

Besides, whether she's in her late 20s and single or if she's in her 40s and married, what does it matter to any of you? Unless she's on welfare, and sponging off your hard earned money, mine too, I don't see how her marital status and number children -or anything else pertaining to this woman- could possibly be the business of any of the posters here. I mean come on!! Are you so perfect that you can put down others for their choices, good or bad? I think not!

And to the poster that said this... ' I'm sorry, this is one of THE most irresponsible things I've ever heard. I have no words, that are nice.' Give me a f**king break! I have no nice words about your exceedingly judgmental and presumptuous remark either.

Normally I find the people that post here to be wise, level-headed and fairly compassionate individuals. However the majority of the posts -and posters- here [in this thread] are beyond judgmental and just plain rude with their assumptions.

I find her behavior highly irresponsible even if my tax dollars are never required to support her children. Any person undergoing fertility treatment has an obligation to do so responsibly, as does any doctor assisting. I am NOT saying that she was morally required to undergo selective reduction, but that if she is opposed to such procedures she should have been more conservative with her fertility treatments. While it is miraculous that she got 8 babies to 30 weeks gestation, and they have all survived thus far, that is far from the most likely outcome. See earlier post.

I think the biggest danger is that other fertility-challenged couples will see this and think, Oh! that lady in CA had 8, I can too. And then have babies with more serious problems. Just look at the statistics on higher-order multiples. Its no good.

As for the rest, the situation is just bizarre. That's why people are judging. The article I read said the mother was 33, but it is the non-age details that are perplexing.

ETA: OK, father going to Iraq, wife and kids staying with her parents begins to make some sense. But still. 14 kids is a lot!

 

[Loves Vintage]

I''ll have to re-read this, but I believe it is the grandfather who is going back to Iraq to work.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/30/earlyshow/health/main4764432.shtml

And, she is apparently in her mid-thirties.

 

[tlh]

Date: 1/30/2009 2:43:13 PM
Author: cara

Date: 1/30/2009 2:07:40 PM
Author: .Jenevieve.
I wasn''t going to post on this subject because I''m not in good mood and I felt I would probably say something I would regret. However the majority of the responses are judgmental and uncalled for, especially since I''m sure most of you do not know this woman or her family.

First, I read the article, in the link provided, and no where did I read/see that she was in her late 20''s and/or single and jobless. Did you ladies read/hear this somewhere else or are you just presuming? If I''m wrong please feel free to correct me and point me to precisely to where it states these ''facts'' the media has spouted. They [the media] are notorious for reporting fallacies or for stretching the truth. I personally have heard them report several different stories about this woman, so how about all the facts be gathered, from a reliable source, before you jump on this woman for being ''irresponsible''.

Besides, whether she''s in her late 20s and single or if she''s in her 40s and married, what does it matter to any of you? Unless she''s on welfare, and sponging off your hard earned money, mine too, I don''t see how her marital status and number children -or anything else pertaining to this woman- could possibly be the business of any of the posters here. I mean come on!! Are you so perfect that you can put down others for their choices, good or bad? I think not!

And to the poster that said this... '' I''m sorry, this is one of THE most irresponsible things I''ve ever heard. I have no words, that are nice.'' Give me a f**king break! I have no nice words about your exceedingly judgmental and presumptuous remark either.

Normally I find the people that post here to be wise, level-headed and fairly compassionate individuals. However the majority of the posts -and posters- here [in this thread] are beyond judgmental and just plain rude with their assumptions.

I find her behavior highly irresponsible even if my tax dollars are never required to support her children. Any person undergoing fertility treatment has an obligation to do so responsibly, as does any doctor assisting. I am NOT saying that she was morally required to undergo selective reduction, but that if she is opposed to such procedures she should have been more conservative with her fertility treatments. While it is miraculous that she got 8 babies to 30 weeks gestation, and they have all survived thus far, that is far from the most likely outcome. See earlier post.

I think the biggest danger is that other fertility-challenged couples will see this and think, Oh! that lady in CA had 8, I can too. And then have babies with more serious problems. Just look at the statistics on higher-order multiples. Its no good.

As for the rest, the situation is just bizarre. That''s why people are judging. The article I read said the mother was 33, but it is the non-age details that are perplexing.

ETA: OK, father going to Iraq, wife and kids staying with her parents begins to make some sense. But still. 14 kids is a lot!

I too wouldn''t have a problem with this... I just dont see the need for someone who is OBVIOUSLY FERTILE to seek fertility treatments. That is ODD. I don''t think people here would make judgements, if the woman had 14 babies over 14-15 years. I think it is hard to know, how someone can put so many embreyos inside you, IF YOU AREN''T PREPARED to... "selectively terminate" any of them... what if he put 20 in there, and TWENTY TOOK HOLD?
This is just STRANGE. If you know someone with CP, like I do, (family MEMBERS) you would think twice about putting so many little lives in your tummy, and RISK doing that to someone you love. It is soo hard to see someone soo little try sooo hard to be heard, and just cannot speak. Birth defects happen... but w/ 8 they happen a lot more frequently... and I think that is wrong. If we judge/arrest mothers for birthing crack addicted babies, or babies w/ fetal alcohol syndrome... WHY IS THIS any different... she made a choice... which put those babies at risk.
FOCKER OUT... and I''m off my soap box. Sorry...