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Does it look dark like that across the belly all the time?
I do not know, I was sent the pictures by Ritani rep, I can ask? Do you think it’s a no go?
There are different facet patterns for ovals. This type often has this kind of band across the belly. If those pictures were taken in high spot lighting it may be ok because the darkness would only show up in that kind of lighting and in person that area would flash a lot. But do prefer the other facet pattern that creates a more even pattern without a band like that. Garry said it’s a nice cut. It’s probably necessary to see in person.
The other facet pattern being a 4 main? I just can’t find a not rotated 8 that tyty333 mentioned, or a six on ritani around 70-85 points
0.70 Carat Oval Diamond G Color VS2 Clarity Very Good Cut | Ritani
0.7 Carat Oval Earth Diamond VG Cut G Color VS2 Clarity with diamond report number GIA #6521570387www.ritani.com
Is this a 6 main?
I would say that one you were sent pictures of is a no-go.
This is likely a regular 8 main (also hard to find)...you can see the arrows going North/South. 6 mains only go across the center
area of the stone and not North/South.
If you stop the video with it facing forwards, you can see the North/South arrows.
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I have seen black bowties as bad in all forms of pavilion mains.
Type 1 - The proportions that get you arrows in rounds get you bowties in crown and table facets in long cuts.
Type 2 - The very deep proportions that get you dark in the table only in rounds get you table only bowties in long cuts.
Do you think this is better? Facet pattern different and hides “bow tie” better? @tyty333
Perhaps I am missing something.. I set proportions to what seems to be ideal: table 53-63% -seems as tho 59-60 popular
Depth- 59-63%
L/W - 1.35-1.50
Polish/symmetry excellent
Girdle- thin to slightly thick, a lot were medium to thick
No Florescense, no culet
They don’t give crown/pavillion angles for under 1ct
What am I missing in terms of proportions? I am trying to learn how to buy a stone online
I read your article- makes sense to have a grading system for “bow ties”, for buying online especially as it’s more prevalent
I have seen black bowties as bad in all forms of pavilion mains.
Type 1 - The proportions that get you arrows in rounds get you bowties in crown and table facets in long cuts.
Type 2 - The very deep proportions that get you dark in the table only in rounds get you table only bowties in long cuts.
Yes, I too have seen bow-ties in each faceting pattern! I try to state, once during a thread that, ...you can find good and bad stones of each type of faceting pattern. I don't think I put it in this thread, though. It would be good info to include in that Oval Education
page (or Bow-Tie Education page) that someone writes for Pricescope!
@TLW Like Garry said, table and depth are not enough (although helpful). They don't have crown/pavilion angles on over 1 carat
stones either. The problem is (I believe) that the angles will need to change depending on the faceting pattern, or that there are
just too many variables on an Oval cut stone to give one set of "Ideal" parameters.
I have had better luck with stones that receive Excellent on both polish and symmetry.
Edit
@TLW just to show you what Garry means...here is a 6 main with a black bow-tie.
We can see some darkness through the center. It is a relatively small amount. This stone may have earmuffs...would need toCould I bother you to look at a few more please and thank you
0.81 Carat Oval Diamond E Color VS1 Clarity Very Good Cut | Ritani
0.81 Carat Oval Earth Diamond VG Cut E Color VS1 Clarity with diamond report number GIA #2527547634www.ritani.com
Not bad...may be a nice stone.0.73 Carat Oval Diamond E Color VVS2 Clarity Very Good Cut | Ritani
0.73 Carat Oval Earth Diamond VG Cut E Color VVS2 Clarity with diamond report number GIA #3515710427www.ritani.com
I think I like this one more than the previous stone you posted. Looks a little more crisp (and less mushy).Same type of facets but looked better for some reason?0.73 Carat Oval Diamond G Color VVS1 Clarity Very Good Cut | Ritani
0.73 Carat Oval Earth Diamond VG Cut G Color VVS1 Clarity with diamond report number GIA #5526402428www.ritani.com
We can see some darkness through the center. It is a relatively small amount. This stone may have earmuffs...would need to
ask Ritani's diamond associate.
Not bad...may be a nice stone.
I think I like this one more than the previous stone you posted. Looks a little more crisp (and less mushy).
I took a look up to G+/VS2+ and $2500...found a few that might be worth a look. What are your specs?
4 mains
A nice 4 main
0.80 Carat Oval Diamond E Color VS2 Clarity Very Good Cut | Ritani
0.8 Carat Oval Earth Diamond VG Cut E Color VS2 Clarity with diamond report number GIA #5526008242www.ritani.com
Would have to ask if this has earmuffs
0.80 Carat Oval Diamond E Color VS2 Clarity Very Good Cut | Ritani
0.8 Carat Oval Earth Diamond VG Cut E Color VS2 Clarity with diamond report number GIA #1525383545www.ritani.com
8 mains
For an 8 main rotated, I think this will have good light return
0.76 Carat Oval Diamond F Color VS1 Clarity Very Good Cut | Ritani
0.76 Carat Oval Earth Diamond VG Cut F Color VS1 Clarity with diamond report number GIA #7516435201www.ritani.com
Dreamstone has it for $1817. You could ask Ritani to price match (look to see if they have that).
0.76 Carat Oval Natural Diamond | Whitehouse Brothers | 7516435201
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Thank you so much! I’ll check these out. Last question on this one
0.70 Carat Oval Diamond E Color VS1 Clarity Very Good Cut | Ritani
0.7 Carat Oval Earth Diamond VG Cut E Color VS1 Clarity with diamond report number GIA #7521439141www.ritani.com
Only one could find with girdle medium to slightly thick- all the rest were medium to thick or slightly thick to thick. What do you think of this one and does girdle matter? I have a couple that I’m getting photos of, this is one
Thank you very much again
Ditto @newtojewels...
@TLW
Very thin, or thin to thick (big variance) can be an issue. People also worry about it taking up extra weight, but if the LxW is good
for that carat size, not an issue. Fancy cuts are a little different than round brilliants, where you may be a little more picky about
the girdle (because there are always plenty of round brilliants out there). There are not plenty of nicely cut Ovals out there
(as we all have learned), so we give Ovals a little more grace in the girdle area.
Like I said on the other oval thread that's going on right now...
"So, let me say, you (me/anybody) can pick apart almost any oval (minus, super ideals) and you'll end up with nothing. You have
to decide what is tolerable to you. Hard, I know."
There were no pictures to that E/VS1 you just posted. It looks Sold too...did you buy it?
I’ve gotten a couple so far, declined the first, will get second today to see. I think it’s important to see it first. Too much variance, and luckily, Ritani has been great with doing this
Excellent...let us know what you think and post pictures!
RC price dropped overnight.... Welcome to July
D has surface graining vs E with internal graining.. probably doesn't matter too much but on principal i'm not a fan when people are paying clarity premium $ for VVS.....
it's subtle but you can sometimes notice orange/brownish tones when the light hits the graining at certain angles... so can give a bit of an off note in icy white D/E stones
E on left / D on right....
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So you think both are not good? It is d worse because it’s surface not internal? Is d the top photo you’re showing? Thank you for helping
both pictures are snapshots from rotation clips from the 2 RC stones you linked to)My goodness, apologies- I see now e is white flash you’re showing and d has a tone- so you prefer the e stone due to that. I had to look at your pics a few times. Thank you