Boomer Remover

[bludiva]

No one wins the oppression olympics.

This x1000

 

[chemgirl]

I see the term “bitter” over and over again in this thread.

It’s kind of offensive. Like someone didn’t win a prize and now they have sour grapes about it. It’s a negative judgement of another person.

Maybe some of us in this thread aren’t being bitter? Maybe we’re trying to explain to boomers that the world they grew up in doesn’t exist anymore so things like saving for home ownership don’t apply (at least in many parts of the world). Maybe we’re trying to say that we’re not entitled or selfish for spending money on travel, hobbies, eating out etc. It’s just the new norm. When most don’t have the ability to save for these large purchases priorities shift.

Personally my issue is someone saying I SHOULD do something because they did it 40 years ago and then talking over me when I try to explain how it’s not going to work. That’s not being bitter.

 

[Elizabeth35]

I would like to clarify that I was not calling anyone bitter---I was commenting on HER saying that she was bitter. I can understand that based on her situation in her country regarding pensions, etc.

 

[CalliopeCladdagh]

Thank you for your clarifications. Your country has obviously policies that are extremely unfair and will drive younger people away. I can understand your bitterness better now that I understand the situation.

Thank you.

 

[CalliopeCladdagh]

Maybe some of us in this thread aren’t being bitter? Maybe we’re trying to explain to boomers that the world they grew up in doesn’t exist anymore so things like saving for home ownership don’t apply (at least in many parts of the world). Maybe we’re trying to say that we’re not entitled or selfish for spending money on travel, hobbies, eating out etc. It’s just the new norm. When most don’t have the ability to save for these large purchases priorities shift.

Personally my issue is someone saying I SHOULD do something because they did it 40 years ago and then talking over me when I try to explain how it’s not going to work. That’s not being bitter.

Although I was not the person who introduced the word "bitter" I did respond with it because, for me at least, it's quite accurate. Boomers and the economy happen to be a very sore point for me right now because for the last couple of years I have been searching for a house and planning out our budget to the last cent. I'm in my 30s, I want a house, I want children, but I'm stuck in this rut because of the way boomers have built this country.

Although I do not wish an entire generation dead (!) I can see how this kind of bitterness would evolve into the whole "boomer remover" thing.

 

[Elizabeth35]

Although I was not the person who introduced the word "bitter" I did respond with it because, for me at least, it's quite accurate. Boomers and the economy happen to be a very sore point for me right now because for the last couple of years I have been searching for a house and planning out our budget to the last cent. I'm in my 30s, I want a house, I want children, but I'm stuck in this rut because of the way boomers have built this country.

Although I do not wish an entire generation dead (!) I can see how this kind of bitterness would evolve into the whole "boomer remover" thing.

There are hard feelings going both ways I'm afraid. Which is sad.

I don't view all millennials as all being the same, and I try to understand their frustration with my generation. I only ask that millennials not group all boomers together and judge us.
Boomers also have all different life experiences. And we are all not wealthy and judgmental.
That is one thing that will only drive us further apart--labelling an entire age group.

As a Boomer, I am irritated if a millennial makes assumptions about me or my life experience. So I try not to do that to anyone of any age.

 

[SallyB]

Apple decided late last year not to produce this very violent Richard Gere series about Boomers vs. Millennials:

Apple Scraps Richard Gere Drama ‘Bastards’ (Exclusive)

Apple has its first, well, bad apple: 'Bastards,' the eight-episode project starring Richard Gere and based on the dark Israeli drama, will not move forward at the iPhone maker's forthcoming streaming service.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Whoa.

 

[SandyinAnaheim]

Hypocritical means applying a double standard. Aka calling out posts from youngest gens for "taking it personal" while being fine with insults such as "entitled brats" and whatnot.

No, it does not. Hypocritical means practicing hypocrisy, which is the practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. The false profession of desirable or publicly approved qualities, beliefs, or feelings, especially a pretense of having virtues, moral principles, or religious beliefs that one does not really possess. It has NOTHING to do with double standards.

Double standard: A set of principles that are applied differently and often unfairly between two individuals, items, or groups, especially when applied to the standards of behavior considered acceptable and unacceptable for one group of people as compared to another. An ethical or moral code that applies more strictly to one group than to another.

Moreover, remarking on behavior isn't dictating how someone writes. Or unless that's not allowed in this thread? When did I everyone "dictate" how/who can respond to me lol?

Right here: "So yeah, it's s bit hypocritical for you to single out my post within this context."

 

[Lilith112]

No, it does not. Hypocritical means practicing hypocrisy, which is the practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. The false profession of desirable or publicly approved qualities, beliefs, or feelings, especially a pretense of having virtues, moral principles, or religious beliefs that one does not really possess. It has NOTHING to do with double standards.

Double standard: A set of principles that are applied differently and often unfairly between two individuals, items, or groups, especially when applied to the standards of behavior considered acceptable and unacceptable for one group of people as compared to another. An ethical or moral code that applies more strictly to one group than to another.


Right here: "So yeah, it's s bit hypocritical for you to single out my post within this context."

Lol seriously, that's what you call silencing? Oh no, how oppressive I'm being by asserting my opinion.

FYI from wiki: "Hypocrisy often takes the form of the "double standard," the act of judging similar acts differently depending on who is responsible for them or judging people by different criteria because of who they are." So yes, the two are correlated as double standards usually indicate the presence of hypocrisy.

 

[SandyinAnaheim]

To respond to the OP's original question on when did people become so insensitive as to wish a portion of the demographic population just basically die here is my thought. If you wish a person dead or a generation of people dead then that reveals your heart to me. I love and respect people with kind hearts. I avoid people with hate in their hearts.

I'm the OP. Yet here we are surrounded by these "insensitive" people, even on an internet forum. I never even knew such a sentiment existed until March, when I saw that woman from Florida say those things on national TV. And then I saw it repeated on my local NextDoor forum from BLM protesters. I still didn't think it was that pervasive, but then more of them came out of the woodwork in this thread.

I've had a different life than likely 99.9% of members on this forum. I am GenX in terms of time. Due to a broken marriage and evil stepparents, I was out on my own at the age of 15. Catholic school girl with a ninth grade education. I know and lived with homelessness, lack of jobs, the prospect of resorting to horrible things due to lack of money, racism, sexism, youthism, zero family support and jeez, so much more. I NEVER blamed it on a generation of people! It's simply the time I was born in and the circumstances that were dealt to ME.

I saw my friends going away to college, starting families, buying houses and having help from their parents (generational wealth). I didn't get any of that. I don't know when education was free, but I sure as hell didn't get that. I worked two and three jobs to keep a roof over my head AND pay for school so I could get ahead. And get ahead I did because I HAD TO. I never felt envy towards those that had things handed to them on a platter and squandered it, and they were ALL AROUND ME. We all just have different life circumstances. Blaming them because they had it all (in comparison to me), or my parents, their parents, society, this country, this time, the world, etc. doesn't make any sense, or difference.

Over the years I've heard a lot of griping about millennials, but I didn't buy into it because a lot of my friends are millennials and I rarely saw, heard or felt anything from them that coincided with what I heard. I will admit that while in law firm management, they were not the best of employees, but that is a different subject. So to hear that woman in Florida say what she thought of boomers, as a general group, was a shock, especially as it related to her having fun over spring break being curtailed because they are a "compromised" group. Then it came up again in relation to BLM, as if boomers are somehow responsible for how policing works, or how institutional racism is perpetuated. I know more than a few millennials who are racist and sexist, and many more from my generation as well. My parents were born well before boomers and they were racist and sexist as hell! There are a lot of people and cultures in the world who view themselves as better than everyone else - it has nothing to do with when they were born. IMO is has more to do with how they were raised. But this counterculture is now changing the way I view them.

 

[SandyinAnaheim]

Lol seriously, that's what you call silencing? Oh no, how oppressive I'm being by asserting my opinion.

FYI from wiki: "Hypocrisy often takes the form of the "double standard," the act of judging similar acts differently depending on who is responsible for them or judging people by different criteria because of who they are." So yes, the two are correlated as double standards usually indicate the presence of hypocrisy.

I never used the word silencing, or any derivative. It doesn't do anyone any good to be making things up. I was simply pointing to your incorrect and confusing use of language. Wiki is NOT a dictionary. Any fool can add their opinion on any subject on the Wiki. I guess you had to reach really low to substantiate your usage of language. Try being more precise.

 

[Lilith112]

I never used the word silencing, or any derivative. It doesn't do anyone any good to be making things up. I was simply pointing to your incorrect and confusing use of language. Wiki is NOT a dictionary. Any fool can add their opinion on any subject on the Wiki. I guess you had to reach really low to substantiate your usage of language. Try being more precise.

In you words:

"You don't get to dictate what people write, or to whom they direct their comments. If you feel someone is offending you, you're welcome to report it to admin."

I fail to see how I dictate others respond. People are free to respond however; I haven't said anything to the contrary.

Moreover, most people would also know hypocrisy and double standards are related. Hypocrites are so in part due to applying one standard for themselves, and another for others.

 

[SandyinAnaheim]

In you [sic] words:

"You don't get to dictate what people write, or to whom they direct their comments. If you feel someone is offending you, you're welcome to report it to admin."

I fail to see how I dictate others respond. People are free to respond however; I haven't said anything to the contrary.

Moreover, most people would also know hypocrisy and double standards are related. Hypocrites are so in part due to applying one standard for themselves, and another for others.

Of course you fail to see it because you are apparently unaware of how your words are landing. You did say something to the contrary, you complained about your comment: "it's s[sic] bit hypocritical for you to single out my post within this context." People CAN pick out your comment if they wish. If you don't like it.....

And I disagree that most people with a rudimentary grasp of English would confuse hypocrisy with double standard. The definitions speak for themselves.

 

[Lilith112]

Of course you fail to see it because you are apparently unaware of how your words are landing. You did say something to the contrary, you complained about your comment: "it's s[sic] bit hypocritical for you to single out my post within this context." People CAN pick out your comment if they wish. If you don't like it.....

And I disagree that most people with a rudimentary grasp of English would confuse hypocrisy with double standard. The definitions speak for themselves.

...I literally don't even understand your point here. Anyone can respond to my comments- I'm also allowed to comment on others response. Do you agree on that?

Moreover, I noted a correlation between the two, stating that they're related-- not that they're the same.

 

[SandyinAnaheim]

...I literally don't even understand your point here. Anyone can respond to my comments- I'm also allowed to comment on others response. Do you agree on that?

Someone did respond to you in particular and you complained that they singled you out. I really don't know how to explain this any better.

Moreover, I noted a correlation between the two, stating that they're related-- not that they're the same.

You're entitled to your opinion. I agree that you may be viewing it as a double standard and if so, then those are the words you should have used. But hypocrisy and double standards are NOT the same thing.

 

[Lilith112]

Someone did respond to you in particular and you complained that they singled you out. I really don't know how to explain this any better.


You're entitled to your opinion. I agree that you may be viewing it as a double standard and if so, then those are the words you should have used. But hypocrisy and double standards are NOT the same thing.

Ok

 

[OreoRosies86]

I also find it interesting that every time I drive by a restaurant with patio seating or a golf course, who are those places teeming with? You guessed it!

I am a millennial and I’ve been doing grocery delivery and no takeout since March.

 

[Tekate]

When I was young sitting on patios having beers was you guessed it! the Greatest Generation.. people are retired, I'm trying to understand your point? what is it?

Do you think I speak for Boomers? I don't, I speak from my experience as a woman born in the 1950s (early 50s).. Try driving in FL, many retired people there btw and restaurants all have patios.

It would be helpful if you can explain what you think boomers who are retired should doing, I worked and I enjoy retirement.

I also find it interesting that every time I drive by a restaurant with patio seating or a golf course, who are those places teeming with? You guessed it!

I am a millennial and I’ve been doing grocery delivery and no takeout since March.

 

[OreoRosies86]

Oh my gosh this is gold

 

[Karl_K]

By age im a genX but by generation im a young boomer.
So do they want me dead or not?

 

[chemgirl]

When I was young sitting on patios having beers was you guessed it! the Greatest Generation.. people are retired, I'm trying to understand your point? what is it?

Do you think I speak for Boomers? I don't, I speak from my experience as a woman born in the 1950s (early 50s).. Try driving in FL, many retired people there btw and restaurants all have patios.

It would be helpful if you can explain what you think boomers who are retired should doing, I worked and I enjoy retirement.

I think her point is it’s a pandemic and unsafe to do those activities.

 

[SandyinAnaheim]

Oh my gosh this is gold

I have to admit, @Bayek isn't helping the perception whatsoever.....

 

[OreoRosies86]

When I was young sitting on patios having beers was you guessed it! the Greatest Generation.. people are retired, I'm trying to understand your point? what is it?

Do you think I speak for Boomers? I don't, I speak from my experience as a woman born in the 1950s (early 50s).. Try driving in FL, many retired people there btw and restaurants all have patios.

It would be helpful if you can explain what you think boomers who are retired should doing, I worked and I enjoy retirement.

Please don’t be offended by my light teasing. I have combed this thread and I can’t find any evidence whatsoever that “boomers should die” is a prevalent theme outside of some young smart-@sses. All of us, when we were young, felt invincible and poked fun at the people we viewed to be curmudgeons. We all came up with probably offensive nicknames for our teachers, and we all at some point thought at LEAST a few times that older people were full of it. What I do think is funny, is that the “older and vulnerable” population (outside of people in nursing homes who have no control over their exposure to covid sadly) are the ones I now see flouting the safety rules, because in their view it infringes on their personal freedoms and having a good time. Which is ironic. We are all young at heart and we all have more in common than not.

 

[LLJsmom]

By age im a genX but by generation im a young boomer.
So do they want me dead or not?

Now THAT’S Funny!

 

[LLJsmom]

Please don’t be offended by my light teasing. I have combed this thread and I can’t find any evidence whatsoever that “boomers should die” is a prevalent theme outside of some young smart-@sses. All of us, when we were young, felt invincible and poked fun at the people we viewed to be curmudgeons. We all came up with probably offensive nicknames for our teachers, and we all at some point thought at LEAST a few times that older people were full of it. What I do think is funny, is that the “older and vulnerable” population (outside of people in nursing homes who have no control over their exposure to covid sadly) are the ones I now see flouting the safety rules, because in their view it infringes on their personal freedoms and having a good time. Which is ironic. We are all young at heart and we all have more in common than not.

I have seen people of ALL ages not wearing masks and hanging around on streets. So it’s ALL generations...

 

[alittlelight]

I am sorry complacent older people have been lecturing some of the younger people on this thread. All I can say is, get angry at the right targets and when it matters. Get educated. Vote. Perhaps you already do. Get mad at corporate greed, which is the target here.

I do believe that student debt is an albatross that is hampering our entire nation, and it is appalling that this was allowed to happen by banks and universities. I think the housing markets on the coast are absolutely ridiculous, and I would be out of there in a hot minute, though of course that is not where my life and family are.

Not every “Boomer” (god, I hate that word just as much as I hate “millennial” and all that crap) is well off. Many have no retirement whatsoever. They are one health crisis away from disaster just like younger people. It’s the policies of this country. Let’s change them.

 

[chemgirl]

I have seen people of ALL ages not wearing masks and hanging around on streets. So it’s ALL generations...

Totally I see people of all ages. There are younger folks who seem to think they are immune and go around like nothing is happened.

There are also older folks (probably less than 1%) who are having complete meltdowns because there are new rules. These people are giving an entire generation a bad name.

Right after lockdown started we had a huge influx of retirees coming back from Florida. They were supposed to self quarantine upon arrival. The government made it extremely clear that they could not even stop for groceries. So my friend who manages a grocery store said they turned away hundreds of people per day who refused to follow the order. There were several incidents where older men and women were physically assaulting staff when they were told they couldn’t shop (but provided with contact info for groups who would shop for them). It was insane to see video of someone my mom’s age ramming a teenager with a shopping cart, but it happened.

I personally witnessed a man who looked to be in his 60’s get escorted out of the store by security last week because the policy is to sanitize your hands on entry and take a cart. He didn’t want to take a cart. He only needed one or two things (um you’re supposed to shop once per week but ok) and he didn’t want the hassle of pushing a cart. He walked to within an inch of the employee’s face and screamed at her, all over taking a freaking cart.

We don’t walk on trails anymore because people don’t leave space. Most of the time if I ask a younger person to please give me a few more feet (while I’m walking through the grass on the side of the trail) they do it. Ask an older person and more than 50% of the time I get yelled at. I’m always polite about it and smile, meanwhile these people are walking across the entire trail to the point that I would have to walk in the mud regardless of social distancing. This was happening several times per walk so we don’t go anymore.

The worst though, restaurants are opening here for patio service only. Friends own a restaurant and they were reasonably concerned for the safety of their staff. DH is a software engineer and made a system where customers order and pay on their own phones, then it’s brought out to you. They have signs explaining the process, wifi, and sanitized tablets for people who don’t have phones. A greeter comes out and explains the process to each table. The system itself works flawlessly, but again meltdowns from older customers. We spoke with them over the weekend and they said they had been yelled at more in one day than all of last year.

Clearly this behaviour isn’t normal and it’s definitely not how most older people act. It’s just very visible right now at a time when a lot of us are making sacrifices in our lives to limit the spread of a disease that disproportionately affects older people.

 

[cmd2014]

This comment makes me so sad.

For many years I worked in a position where I determined an individual's capacity to consent or refuse admission to a nursing home and facilitated the applications to the homes. I never once saw anyone "shoving " their parent into a home with any malice. I saw these grown children sobbing while they looked.for reassurance that they had done everything possible to care for their parent. I saw children trying to care for parents who were so confused they were wandering away from their home naked, creating stove fires, becoming so agitated they were physically aggressive to their caregivers. I saw children quitting jobs and becoming financially overextended while trying to keep mom or dad at home.

The families I had concerns about usually resisted nursing homes (frequently so they had full access to the money) while not providing the care to keep their parent safe.

There should be no shame in placing a parent in an appropriate care environment.

Having done similar work, this has been my experience as well. In fact, I am often the one ENCOURAGING families to think about personal care homes, as they are simply not equipped to cope with 24 hour/day care for an elderly parent suffering from dementia and/or other chronic and severe health issues. Truthfully, very sick people get better care in a care facility than at home, even with the benefit of home care. It's an extremely difficult painful decision for most families. In addition, people going to nursing homes have to be paneled and have to meet acceptance criteria (in other words, they have to be really, really sick and incapable of caring for themselves). What I have never seen is a healthy, active, sharp minded senior still capable of self care being place in a nursing home. Typically, they are quite happy living in 55+ buildings, in their own homes, or sometimes with family.

 

[cmd2014]

In regard to the actual thread, I have a hard time accepting that any generation truly wants another to be exterminated. Lets get real. There are idiots in every generation. Sadly, the internet and the news media in these times loves to give voice to the most extreme and offensive content in order to generate clicks or likes or views and to sell ads. And people seeking their 15 minutes of fame know it. So they get out there and say the most idiotic or ridiculous things. And it hits the news and goes viral. And it hardly speaks to the attitudes and beliefs of the majority of people from whatever group is purportedly being represented.

The other piece of things is that young people sometimes don't really think through the consequences of their actions. I know I am eternally grateful that there weren't cameras everywhere and the internet for things to go viral on when I was growing up. I'm sure I too said grossly insensitive and ill informed things. Sometimes I'm afraid I still do. Thank goodness noone cares to film me!!!

 

[PreRaphaelite]

Sadly, tensions between generations isn't new.