Beauty and choice

[yssie]

1. TCP
2. Maltese cross
3. Cushion 2

None of the others really appeal...

 

[Demon]

I can''t see the movie either, but based on the pictures....

The T57
Cushion 2

and I like pinfire, so I might like the pinfire cushion in action, but I can''t tell from the picture.

 

[JulieN]

With the movie, I liked them in this order

Cushion 2
57/34/41
Maltese Cross
Steep/Deep
Cushion 1 and Princess (about the same)
Pear, Pinfire Cushion, Marquise (about the seame.)

 

[Cehrabehra]

My fav cushion cut wasn''t there, but to judge just the ones that are:

1. Maltese was way ahead of everything else
~~big gap~~
2. T57
3. Cushion 2
~~moderate gap~~
4. Cushion 1
5. Steep Deep
~~small gap~~
6. Marquise
7. Princess
8. Pear
~~big gap~~
9. Pinfire Cushion

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 10/31/2009 10:26:02 AM
Author: EBree
I watched the movie before voting.

ditto

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 11/1/2009 1:25:13 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 11/1/2009 12:56:20 AM

Author: hihowareyou

Maltese Cross


Cushion 2


T57 C34 P41


Steep Deep


Cushion 1



The others I place pretty evenly because I either have no interest in the shape or didn''t like what I saw in terms of reflections in the video.




Perhaps a better survey would be done with less detail in the naming of the stones. Here at PS we know that we are not supposed to rate Steep Deep stones highly for example. The voting my be influenced by what members think they should be seeing when they see the stones rather than what they actually see (we''ve seen this many times from new members who couldn''t fault their stones before coming to the site). Similarly the Maltese Cross naming has a sense of romanticism about it which may increase bias. A naming convention such as; Diamond 1, Diamond 2, etc would remove those biases.



I''m not certain that I would have placed the Maltese Cross stone over the Cushion 2 if they were named differently. It is difficult to separate the stone in the video from other stones I have seen (and loved) that have the ''maltese cross'' description applied to them.

All Valid HtHaY, however Cushion 2 is winning hands down over Cushion 1

cushion 1 is considerably smaller and doens''t look well cut - I can''t even tell what the facet structure is.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 11/3/2009 7:38:00 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 11/1/2009 1:25:13 AM




cushion 1 is considerably smaller and doens''t look well cut - I can''t even tell what the facet structure is.

You are so right C - it was the stone I have shown and discussed before where the polishers made slight adjustments and this showed up how important following the plan is in fancy shapes.

 

[justginger]

Based on the movie:

Maltese Cross
T57
Cushions 1&2 (no preference between them, love them both)
Steep Deep

 

[Cehrabehra]

notice how popular the maltese cross is? Although - I always thought it referred to old mine style cushions - what''s up with that stone? it doesn''t exactly look oec but I''d put my money on that over anything else based on my limited knowledge base.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 11/3/2009 8:32:12 PM
Author: Cehrabehra
notice how popular the maltese cross is? Although - I always thought it referred to old mine style cushions - what''s up with that stone? it doesn''t exactly look oec but I''d put my money on that over anything else based on my limited knowledge base.

It''s proprietary C - would have to kill you immediately after divulging - btw you could design one when you get DC - whats happening?

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 11/3/2009 8:58:36 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 11/3/2009 8:32:12 PM

Author: Cehrabehra

notice how popular the maltese cross is? Although - I always thought it referred to old mine style cushions - what''s up with that stone? it doesn''t exactly look oec but I''d put my money on that over anything else based on my limited knowledge base.

It''s proprietary C - would have to kill you immediately after divulging - btw you could design one when you get DC - whats happening?

I would love to play with the big boys but there''s just no way I can do it before I move.

So when you type maltese you are referring to like a TM and not the pattern? Seems like the name doesn''t fit (what do I know?).

Who owns this cut? Or is that proprietary too? lol

 

[kenny]

I have not read any of the posts in this thread since they would probably influence me.

At first I was going to ask for a definition of beauty.
Would it be max brightness?
Minimum leakage?
Max scintillation?
Most desirable shape?
What is most familiar, or what is new?
Should I be influenced by a name with negative connotations like Steep Deep and rate that low?
Should I let go of the association I have of marquis with old ladies?
I recognize that round in the middle as having the PS-stamp-of-approval for cut, but should I let that influence me to rate it higher?

I figured if I asked nobody would answer so I just gave up and cleared my mind and looked at the movie for a long time.
I pretended was going to be given one and decided which I wanted most and least.
It was easier for me to pick what I liked less rather than what I liked most, so I worked from the bottom.

I have listed what I felt was the most beautiful first.

Maltese Cross
T57 C34 P41
Princess
Steep Deep
Cushion 2
Cushion 1
Pear
Pinfire Cushion
Marquise

 

[kenny]

Here are the votes of my SO after viewing the video, and never seeing the names.
Most beautiful is listed first.

Cushion 1
Maltese Cross
Steep Deep
Pinfire Cushion
Cushion 2
T57 C34 P41
Princess
Marquis
Pear

 

[Venice]

1. Maltese Cross
2. Cushion 2
3. Steep Deep

 

[platinumrock]

1) T57 C34 P41

(What does this stand for by the way?)

2) Cushion 2

3) Pear

The rest didn't stand out enough for me to rate...

 

[jet2ks]

1) Cushion 2
2) Maltese Cross

Favored both of these far above the others and had a tough time picking one over the other

3) T57 C34 P41 (platinum rock, it is refering to the diamond's measurements 57% table, 34 degree crown angle and 41 degree pavillion angle)

Large gap here, as well

4) Cushion 1
5) Princess
6) Steep Deep

HUGE gap

all the other three

 

[JSM]

1. 57/34/41 (I just

this combo!)
2. Princess (REALLY surprised about this, I never really paid attention to princess cuts)
3. Cushion 2

None of the others really caught my eye. After reading the other responses I expected to like the Maltese Cross, but I really didn''t at all!

 

[elle_chris]

I just wanted to add why I chose the cushion2, pear, c34P41 and the maltese cross. The first thing that caught my eye wasn''t the sparkle, but the shape. The second was the facets, and last the sparkle. The more time I spend on PS, the broader my tastes have become. I realized awhile ago that I don''t need the stone with the most light return. I want a stone that has beautiful facets and a shape that appeals to my eyes. If I need to sacrifice a little light return to get it, I don''t mind.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Thanks Elle, thanks everyone.

It seems we have uncovered a genuine search for other than just round brilliants.
That there is an unrequieted (sp?) desire that is not being satisfied by the market amongst many of you who could possibly be described as diamond enthusiasts or my fav term - diamond junkies.

 

[Hest88]

Date: 11/9/2009 2:22:12 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Thanks Elle, thanks everyone.

It seems we have uncovered a genuine search for other than just round brilliants.

That''s a silly statement, sweetie. You *know* it''s not just about light performance, or there wouldn''t be so many threads on here about cushions and Asschers and princesses and the like. I have no desire, for instance, to have my OMC re-cut (something I know you disagree with) and there are many who feel the same way. There are so many other factors that speak to the heart.

 

[Regular Guy]

Hest, what have you been doing with yourself the last year and a half?

Garry...

Date: 11/9/2009 2:22:12 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Thanks Elle, thanks everyone.

It seems we have uncovered a genuine search for other than just round brilliants.

It may take more than proof to provide evidence.

That is...well...the next time I shop for a diamond is likely to be when my wife loses her second one.

That said, and despite a genuine and good study, I might still be (at least behaviorally) predisposed to still look for a round.

P.S. Brief beginning attempt to explain...with a question?

What distinguishes, shall we understand, cushion 1 from cushion 2 (while standing on one foot, please?)...

 

[Hest88]

Date: 11/9/2009 4:13:18 PM
Author: Regular Guy
Hest, what have you been doing with yourself the last year and a half?

Hi Ira! Oh, I''ve been indulging in other interests. So, other boards, other sites, waaayy in non-gem land. It''s fun to be back.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 11/9/2009 4:13:18 PM
Author: Regular Guy
Hest, what have you been doing with yourself the last year and a half?


Garry...

Date: 11/9/2009 2:22:12 PM

Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Thanks Elle, thanks everyone.


It seems we have uncovered a genuine search for other than just round brilliants.

It may take more than proof to provide evidence.


That is...well...the next time I shop for a diamond is likely to be when my wife loses her second one.


That said, and despite a genuine and good study, I might still be (at least behaviorally) predisposed to still look for a round.


P.S. Brief beginning attempt to explain...with a question?


What distinguishes, shall we understand, cushion 1 from cushion 2 (while standing on one foot, please?)
cushion 1 was a first attempt to polish a first design. However the result was not good because the outline and the facets were not placed as per the plan. You can see this in the graphic below. It is a big problem that Sergey, Janak and a big team of engineers are currently solving this problem. ...

cushion 1 was a first attempt to polish a first design. However the result was not good because the outline and the facets were not placed as per the plan. You can see this in the graphic below. It is a big problem that Sergey, Janak and a big team of engineers are currently solving this problem. ...

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 11/9/2009 2:53:20 PM
Author: Hest88

Date: 11/9/2009 2:22:12 PM

Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Thanks Elle, thanks everyone.


It seems we have uncovered a genuine search for other than just round brilliants.

That''s a silly statement, sweetie. You *know* it''s not just about light performance, or there wouldn''t be so many threads on here about cushions and Asschers and princesses and the like. I have no desire, for instance, to have my OMC re-cut (something I know you disagree with) and there are many who feel the same way. There are so many other factors that speak to the heart.

I just luv being called Sweetie, Darl

Welcome back.
So how do we enable preferences that can satisfy your un-met needs Hest?

 

[Hest88]

Date: 11/9/2009 6:46:57 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

So how do we enable preferences that can satisfy your un-met needs Hest?

Well, come to California and we can talk it over!

Seriously, though, in many ways, the answer is "you can''t--and you''ll just have to learn to live with it."

Take my favorite common fancy shape--an EC. I want maximum light return, yes, but part of the appeal is merely the shape. And if you were to tell me that a long, skinny EC would give me better light return I wouldn''t care. I still like the chunkier shape. Or, take an OMC. I like the chunkiness. I like a gaping, round culet. I like the imprecise facets and would never choose a modern cushion with more aligned facets. It''s maximum charm, maximum bulge. Luckily it comes with a great deal of fire, too, but I find in gorgeous aside from the light performance.

It can''t all be about Angelina Jolie. Sometimes it''s about Janeane Garofalo or, my husband''s favorite, Maggie Gyllenhaal. Sometimes it''s about a fey charm and not a hubba-hubba sex appeal.

 

[LtlFirecracker]

1) T 57, C 34, P 41
2) Cushion 2
3) Maltase Cross

Didn''t care for the rest

 

[Allison D.]

Cushion 2
TCP
Maltese

BIG GAP

Princess
Pear

BIG GAP
Marquis
Steep Deep
Cushion 1
Pinfire Cushion

ETA: Based sheerly from photos prior to reading thread. Haven't seen video.

 

[jet2ks]

Date: 11/9/2009 2:22:12 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Thanks Elle, thanks everyone.

It seems we have uncovered a genuine search for other than just round brilliants.
That there is an unrequieted (sp?) desire that is not being satisfied by the market amongst many of you who could possibly be described as diamond enthusiasts or my fav term - diamond junkies.

Garry,

My ever so humble opinion, based on my own shopping, is that there are a lot of diamond buyers that would like more choices, not just diamond junkies. The problem is that you go to nearly any B&M store and all a shopper is shown is RB and princess, with very few other shapes and cuts, so they do not even know what is available and possible. The small percentage of diamonds I saw in person when originally shopping that were not one of those two shapes were mostly Emerald and marquise and poorly cut and performing ones at that. The internet is changing that somewhat, but I''d still venture to say that a lot of online shoppers who see the other shapes in a vendor search engine don''t investigate them because they are more comfortable with the familiar.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 11/10/2009 9:42:17 AM
Author: jet2ks

Date: 11/9/2009 2:22:12 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Thanks Elle, thanks everyone.

It seems we have uncovered a genuine search for other than just round brilliants.
That there is an unrequieted (sp?) desire that is not being satisfied by the market amongst many of you who could possibly be described as diamond enthusiasts or my fav term - diamond junkies.

Garry,

My ever so humble opinion, based on my own shopping, is that there are a lot of diamond buyers that would like more choices, not just diamond junkies. The problem is that you go to nearly any B&M store and all a shopper is shown is RB and princess, with very few other shapes and cuts, so they do not even know what is available and possible. The small percentage of diamonds I saw in person when originally shopping that were not one of those two shapes were mostly Emerald and marquise and poorly cut and performing ones at that. The internet is changing that somewhat, but I''d still venture to say that a lot of online shoppers who see the other shapes in a vendor search engine don''t investigate them because they are more comfortable with the familiar.

Just my 2 cents.

Personally, I think this is at least a little complicated, maybe a lot like the difference between Barnes & Noble and the corner bookshop, and at least somewhat related to the stock market. I''m intending to start a new little thread in a little bit...

 

[Serg]

seems we can start totalizator business at least in this cut race .