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AVC vs Canera Antique Cushion vs Canera European Round for Upgrade

girlguineapig

girlguineapig

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I'm considering my upgrade again. Currently I have a 1.05 ct G SI1 6.40mm x 6.43mm AVR.

Victor had one of his OECs repolished to look more like his other stones, so I believe the facet structure is very appealing now. He needs to update the ASET and IdealScope images still. I also realized that now that my budget is higher, I could even consider an old cut cushion. I always thought a 1 ct cushion faces up too small but now I could afford a larger one. I've never seen one in person, but I could order two diamonds and compare them in person. Since this is a big purchase, it could be worth doing to be sure. Victor will also take a video for me of stones I'm interested in.

Can you all give me your thoughts on these stones? Would it be helpful for me to try on some modern cushions in a store?

https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/x4cm9m-1.536-g-vvs2-ideal-antique-cushion $16,595
https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/h1e967-1.578-f-vs1-ideal-antique-cushion $17,195
https://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond...S-G-VS2-diamond-stock-14900-cert-104088479001 $17,520
https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/32h62n-1.50-e-vs1-ideal-estimated-old-european-cut $23,495
 
The faceting on the first VC cushion looks a little wonky to me, but I think the other two cushions look really pretty! (Slight edge to the GOG, I think.)

The flowery faceting on that VC OEC is to die for! :love:
 
I like the more rectangular VC cushion or the CER.

What are you after in your upgrade? Size mainly? Or are you tired of the avr? If it's mainly size, the CER will be the largest. If you want all over different, get the CAC. Both are beautiful!!

Good luck deciding!
 
My instinct is also that the F VS1 cushion is the nicer of the two VC cushions.

I'm mainly looking for size! But I've always admired the cushions I've seen around here. That said, the flowery pattern on the CER is *gorgeous*.
 
I also like the Canera Cushion 1.578 F VS1, after that the 1.536 G VVS2.
 
A video of the Canera stones:

 
Wow, I was away from diamond market several years. Looks like someone has plagiarized all the cuts available at GoodOldGold... Scary...
 
Swooooon for the CER and the F VS CAC on the right!!! :love:
 
Stephan said:
Wow, I was away from diamond market several years. Looks like someone has plagiarized all the cuts available at GoodOldGold... Scary...
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Tell me about it Stephan.
 
Actually Stephan, I would be very happy to talk to you about it and explain.
Many professionals disagree including a former, very well respected head of a laboratory that vendors use here. I won't mention the name but I think many people can guess. This list also includes Karl_K who is a diamond designer by trade and active on PS who has taken the opposite stand.

Feel free to give me a call or email me, I promise that I'll make it a purely educational conversation.

My Best,
 
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They took that stand while it was patent pending & never thinking that would happen. Time has proved otherwise.
 
Correction; He (Laboratory Head) with decades of experience took that stand afterwards.
Whether before or afterwards doesn't change anything. Most people would trust the judgement of diamond professionals with years and decades of experience in their specialized industry over the judgement of a bureaucrat(in this instance a patent attorney).

Best Regards,
 
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Oh no, we've opened a can of worms! Let's please keep this thread focused on picking out a shiny sparkly for me. Please start another thread if you want to discuss Victor Canera vs GoodOldGold stones in general or these patent issues. I'll just go on the record and say both are fine vendors with great customer service. And I want to keep both of them happy with me because I'm sure I'll want more sparklies from them in the future!

After viewing the video, I'm surprised that I personally sort of like the G VVS2 cushion better than the F VS1. These things are so subjective. It may be that I just prefer a more square vs rectangular cut, so that might just mean I should stick to a round. I wish the G VVS2 faced up larger. And of course, the CER is beautiful. If I end up sticking with an OEC cut, I'll definitely have to sell someone in my circle of friends and family on getting an antique cushion cut...
 
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I really like the CER!
 
:cry: :pray:
 
Another image of the F VS1 cushion. Vintage cuts are really to die for...

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Is Victor going to set it, whatever you decide?:love: Hard to pass up a discount on one of his settings....
 
I'm not sure...I love Victor's settings, but I think I just want another simple solitaire (and it's cheaper) so I might just go for some kind of stock setting from Vatche for example. I'm not opposed getting the Vatche Venus setting again. :)
 
Are you keeping or selling your current AVR? If keeping, definitely go with the cushion. If selling the AVR, I like the CER best. That F cushion is a fantastic shape though!

FWIW, it was so nice having Victor set my stone and having it arrive ready to wear out of the box! He can make the simplest setting perfection!

You can't go wrong with any of these stones though. Can't wait to see what you get!
 
Someday I'll probably want another eternity band with single cut stones which would be wonderful to be able to get from Victor. I'm getting ahead of myself though.

poshmommy, I would be selling my current AVR.
 
I love the OEC the most!<3
 
I don't like the Canera European Round, it's too swallow for my taste!
And we all have to admit, that the first person, that invented and introduced the modern EOC and OMC with ideal light performance, is Jonathan of Good Old Gold!
Victor Canera is just a plagiarist!
 
CER wins for me (those centre flower petals :love:) then the F VS cushion, tho I love the shape of the G.
 
EvaEvans said:
I don't like the Canera European Round, it's too swallow for my taste!
And we all have to admit, that the first person, that invented and introduced the modern EOC and OMC with ideal light performance, is Jonathan of Good Old Gold!
Victor Canera is just a plagiarist!
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I invented them and had them patent pending over a year before Victor was ever on these forums. On each of our avatars it says when we joined the forum. Note Oct 8th, 2010 on his. It was on July 2nd of 2009 that Arjuna Jane, a friend to this forum, showed the first amateur photos here (quite professional looking though!) of her AVC before we even had it named.
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ajs-ering-downgrade-to-a-gog-omc.119094/

And Victor, regardless of trade opinion, before or after, whatever ... they are not the law makers of our country. And for the record ... we never had a problem sending diamonds to you. We did and do so in the spirit of helping our clients get what they want even if it isn't from us. You abused that trust.
 
EvaEvans said:
I don't like the Canera European Round, it's too swallow for my taste!
And we all have to admit, that the first person, that invented and introduced the modern EOC and OMC with ideal light performance, is Jonathan of Good Old Gold!
Victor Canera is just a plagiarist!
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The more posts I read by you, the more convinced I am that you are a troll.
 
Just to point, that something that is legal (or at least not illegal) does not means, that is moral!
Rhino,
I personally know your August Vintage Cut diamonds from 2011, and I was so impressed! Years later I found VC.
In my humble opinion, VC copied the design of the AVR and AVC.
 
soxfan, what menas to be a "troll"? To have personal opinion? To have strong personality? Or what?
 
That’s great Rhino but throwing accusations around doesn’t really change the fact that you took something that was in the public domain and applied a patent on it. I’m not sure if the poster appreciates the threadjack here. I’d be happy to discuss this with you in another venue or thread.

I disagree that the opinion of our trade professionals doesn’t matter. I guess that’s a point of differentiation between us. When major figures in the industry disagree with your Patent including Peter Yantzer who was actively warning other tradespeople of the danger of your patent, that means something.

In the words of your colleague Karl_K who I respect because it must have took courage for him to say this;

Karl_K
"
Disclaimer: I have a conflict of interest here but I am going to shoot strait and anyone can take it or leave it.

The basic facet structure is public domain and every angle combo that makes sense has been cut at one time or another.

If 2 groups independently strive for the same goal with a public domain cut the results will be similar in the way that all well cut h&a rounds are similar.

That is perfectly legal and morally right also.

No one has exclusive right to the design or any angle variation of that design because the design is public domain.
"


That means something when that person is in a very specialized field and is an expert in his field. Does a patent attorney have the same level of expertise? How about the numerous other, some of them very well known, trade figures who basically say the same thing?

I could go on but I won’t. The industry by and large, with whom the topic has arisen with me disagrees strongly about your patent.

I wish you all the best.
 
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Holy shit balls, guys. I love both of you but seriously, take the drama offline. Consumers are reading this, and it will pop up any time anyone googles either one of your brands.

Like literally, people are private messaging each other this thread, and waiting with popcorn.

Stop.
 
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