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italy121210

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Hi there,

I'm not very familiar with these stones and their multitude of color grades. Are colors such as K,L,M etc considered by many of you or do you try to stick w/ the near colorless range more so?

If anyone owns one or has spent some time w/ these stones a response about color and maybe even a picture would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
 
Larger stones concentrate color more - ideal cut smaller stones tend to face up whiter. I have a 0.59ct I color AVR, and honestly it faces up whiter than my G color 0.51ct RB - I literally cannot see any body color in it at all.

Genuine antique stones were often lower in color, and many people prefer to keep with that "feel" in an antique style cut like an AVR. But - if your personal preference lies with white white stones, then of course go that direction. You can only see AVR's at Good Old Gold, but if you go to a local jeweler that stocks ideal cut rb's (Hearts on Fire dealers are good) you can look at stones of various shades and see what appeals to you. Personally, I think I/J is still white, but lower than that you do start to see tint. I briefly had an L color AVC and it was too tinted for me.
 
My experience is similar to ecf, but I can see the tint in diamonds beginning at J color even in small sizes. As she said, some people prefer a little tint in antique cut stones as they plan to set them in antique style settings and don't mind the color.

I am pretty color sensitive and went from a G color ideal cut modern round brilliant to an I color AVR. I adore my stone but the color was an adjustment. I looked at a few stones before deciding. I guess I have seen in person an I and J AVR at .60 cts, 1.8, 2.12, 2.19, and 2.3 cts in I color, and I can't remember the exact size of the J color stone. I ended up with the largest stone, and that is because the facet patterns are gorgeous and the bigger, the better!

I will say that I almost do not mind color as much in large stones. My friend has a 5 ct J color AVC and I saw it this summer, and the color did not bother me in the least! It was in a halo, too. There are a couple of people with beautiful 3+ ct AVR's in K color, I think. But color is just personal and you probably won't know your tolerance until you see them. That is how it was for me.

I have a few threads that chronicled my long and tedious decision. I think some may show the color differences. Let me look and I will be back.
 
I don't think I have a thread or pictures of the two small stones, but there are a lot of the 1.8-2.3 ct AVR stones!

Search begins August 2012. This stone was gorgeous, but it was a lower I color, and I couldn't make the leap at that point. You can very easily see the color difference next to my G. Best pics on page 1.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/i-am-in-love-with-an-august-vintage-round-avr.178906/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/i-am-in-love-with-an-august-vintage-round-avr.178906/[/URL]

Step 2: an I and a J....still thought the 2.19 was too big at this point! (Oct. 2012) You can definitely see the color difference in some of the page 1 pics.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparing-two-august-vintage-rounds-avrs-1-9-to-2-2-cts.180814/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparing-two-august-vintage-rounds-avrs-1-9-to-2-2-cts.180814/[/URL]

Step 3: (March 2013) Finally adjusting to larger size and I color...considering a 2.12 I VS1. (pics on page 1 and page 4)

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/2-12-ct-avr-is-it-the-one.187487/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/2-12-ct-avr-is-it-the-one.187487/[/URL]

Step 4: (April 2013) One last comparison...the 2.12 and a 2.29 I VS1! (page 1 and 11)

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/final-avr-comparison-2-12-and-2-29-i-vs1.188321/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/final-avr-comparison-2-12-and-2-29-i-vs1.188321/[/URL]

Step 5: (May 2013) ring finished with the 2.29 I VS1! (pics pages 1, 4, 7)

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/final-avr-comparison-2-12-and-2-29-i-vs1.188321/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/final-avr-comparison-2-12-and-2-29-i-vs1.188321/[/URL]
 
italy121210|1410388480|3748679 said:
Hi there,

I'm not very familiar with these stones and their multitude of color grades. Are colors such as K,L,M etc considered by many of you or do you try to stick w/ the near colorless range more so?

If anyone owns one or has spent some time w/ these stones a response about color and maybe even a picture would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
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Another thing to point out is that they are mostly graded by AGS I believe and from my understanding they often aren't as strict on colour as GIA so an I might be a J or K...so this may cause some more colour to be seen. I have never seen one though, just pictures and IMO the facet arrangement is just gorgeous.
 
sturgeon123456|1410396237|3748728 said:
italy121210|1410388480|3748679 said:
Hi there,

I'm not very familiar with these stones and their multitude of color grades. Are colors such as K,L,M etc considered by many of you or do you try to stick w/ the near colorless range more so?

If anyone owns one or has spent some time w/ these stones a response about color and maybe even a picture would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
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Another thing to point out is that they are mostly graded by AGS I believe and from my understanding they often aren't as strict on colour as GIA so an I might be a J or K...so this may cause some more colour to be seen. I have never seen one though, just pictures and IMO the facet arrangement is just gorgeous.
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:hand: Ok this whole AGS vs GIA color thing has escalated out of control recently.

AGS is a reputable lab. They are strict on cut quality, more so than GIA, so the absolute cream of the crop stones tend to go to AGS. It has yet to be proven than AGS is soft on color compared to GIA. I have stones graded by both labs, and I don't doubt either lab. Color grading is subjective, and is not graded in the face up position, which is the way you look at a diamond. They are graded by humans... lots of different humans... and if you submitted the same stone to the same lab on different days and got different graders you may end up different results. Especially if the stone is near the end of a color band (a low I may be an I or it could look more like a high J to another person and would then be graded a J).
 
I am very careful about color grading because I am pretty color sensitive, and I have complete confidence in Jonathan's assessment of color. When I have asked his opinion, he has told me stones are at the high, medium, or low end of their grade. Of the many AVR and AVC stones I have had here to look at, I did not feel any were misgraded. It is usually stones that are borderline in color that have the potential to receive different color grades if they were sent to two labs. I think anyone can see where I drew the line on color if you looked at the links. I did it with my EYES and not with the lab report.
 
I think you could go to a K.

As stated, the AVR kind of flatters the lower colored stones more than the MRB cut. Plus it's pretty common to see original old cuts on a J-k color,so it wouldn't look out of the ordinary. Plus, you'll be putting it in rose gold

I have a K in a MRB and it isn't "yellow", even though it's not as icy white as colorless stones. I think with the cut and setting metal you've picked, I think a k is fine
 
There were OEC and OMC antique diamonds in the colorless and near-colorless range, but the reason they are rare today is that public opinion went through a stage when these white antique diamonds were worth more money recut to the modern RB of that time. As to AVR and ARC, the color is up to you. The OEC and OMC diamonds in the D-G color range are gorgeous. My mother has one that was bought in Antwerp in the 1960s. It's gorgeous. But most of the larger OEC/OMC antique diamonds you see will be J/K range or warmer.

Images: Put these in Google and search, then look at Images tab.
avr site:pricescope.com
avc site:pricescope.com

eta There isn't much demand for modern H&A RB below the J/K color range. But there is for antique cuts with chunky facets in the warmer grades. AVR and AVC provide a good venue for warmer rough. Victor Canara, Diamonds by Lauren, and others may have similar antique-looking new stones now. I don't keep up with it.
 
italy121210|1410572086|3750111 said:
Many thanks for the replies, links, and a 'lil history on OECs regarding warmth. It's tough making a decision...yet i want to really soon!

If you had a budget of 4-5k for a diamond, could you make a recommendation on an AVR to go with this ring in 14kt RG (the side stones are G-h color) http://www.beverleyk.com/engagement-rings/engagement-sets/r169-c-d-d-m.html
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Hows about either

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12279/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12316/

Id probably pick the E, as it still hits 6mm and the K is only slightly larger. If you can afford it.

I like that setting. And in case that one is a bit expensive, I thought this one sounded like your style too.

http://www.greenwichjewelers.com/shop/designers/beverley-k/products/beverley-k-sapphire-and-diamond-ring
 
Niel - thank you, do you think the AGS report stating add'tnl twinning whisps and surface graining not shown is problematic?
 
italy121210|1410573483|3750129 said:
Niel - thank you, do you think the AGS report stating add'tnl twinning whisps and surface graining not shown is problematic?
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No. But all you have to do is ask gog if its eye clean, they'll be honest
 
Order placed for niels link above 12279, f color. ..

Thanks to all who replied your help is appreciated. Now the 4-6 week wait for ring! Excited! !
 
italy121210|1411139557|3753741 said:
Order placed for niels link above 12279, f color. ..

Thanks to all who replied your help is appreciated. Now the 4-6 week wait for ring! Excited! !
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And you went with that crown- like bev k?
 
^Yes i did : ) something a bit unique and different in 14kt RG.
 
italy121210|1411153191|3753895 said:
^Yes i did : ) something a bit unique and different in 14kt RG.
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Awesome! Don't forget about us when you're all finished! I can't wait to see.
 
Thx i won't! There didn't seem to be any real life pics of this setting online.
 
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