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This ring is listed for £16,995.00. It claims to be from the 1930s with the center stone being L/SI and 3.95ct. I asked about what looks like a chip (fissure?) at approximately 2 o'clock but they claim it's not a chip. I'm no expert but this stone doesn't look to be the colour, clarity or age it is claiming. Is the price expensive as well? It is platinum and a size 4. The diamonds on the side are 0.80ct. platinum diamond ring jpg.jpg
 
I can’t speak to the price being fair or not. I just wanted to point out that it also looks like there is another chip(?) at 8 o’clock.
 
This is not worth the price. If that’s the best photo they have of it, it shows an included stone. It looks like there’s a surface reaching inclusion/fissure at the edge of the table, too. It looks like an L color to me. The cut looks nice but I’m wondering if this is a newly cut stone, based on the terrible quality of the material. The cut style is from a hundred years before the setting. I would pass even though the cut looks fine on its own, the terrible clarity of the material does not warrant the price.
 
Yeah that’s a giant fissure at 2 o’clock. Something that notice should come with a lab report or at the least an incredibly detailed appraisal from a highly trusted source. The only reason not to include those is to bamboozle a client.
 
Thank you everyone for your feedback/opinions. In your opinions would it still qualify as an SI given the issues with clarity? Also, is it more of an OMC rather than an OEC (some have said it may be an older stone or even a newly cut stone)?
 
Dreamer_D said:
Yeah that’s a giant fissure at 2 o’clock. Something that notice should come with a lab report or at the least an incredibly detailed appraisal from a highly trusted source. The only reason not to include those is to bamboozle a client.
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I thought the denial of the obvious flaw (fissure/chip at 2 o'clock) was a bit of a red flag and made me not trust their expertise when evaluating colour/clarity.
 
Absolutely not an SI stone with all that carbon on the table plus this chip plus the giant chunk of the stone that is missing. May I ask why you’re so curious about this stone? In your price range there are so many other options.

For a ring that price you should really get a stone that’s been GIA certified.

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Tinytreasurers said:
Absolutely not an SI stone with all that carbon on the table plus this chip plus the giant chunk of the stone that is missing. May I ask why you’re so curious about this stone? In your price range there are so many other options.

For a ring that price you should really get a stone that’s been GIA certified.

ivyandrose.com

3.06ct GIA CERTIFIED OLD EUROPEAN CUT DIAMOND ENGAGEMENT RING VINTAGE PLATINUM

Why we love it:Crafted in the Art Deco era, this vintage engagement ring has a commanding presence with a dazzling 3.06 carat old European cut diamond center! The platinum setting is beautifully detailed with a diamond studded, intricate filigree dome shapeHighlights:- Original vintage from the...
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I'm interested in antique diamonds and wanted to know if my instincts were right about the issues with clarity and price....and it looks like they were correct based on what the experts here are saying.
 
For what it’s worth, old cuts are all super unique - I’d recommend looking at lots and lots of stones on this forum, from sellers, on eBay, on IG, and in person at shops and antique fairs so you can start to narrow down on what you like and don’t like. finding -your- old diamond is like searching for a needle in a hay stack. What I love, you may not. Some of us don’t mind warmer stones while others do. Some demand great clarity, others are less concerned. Same for faceting and polish and fluorescence. That’s what makes old stones so fun, they are kind of like snowflakes.

Also, the more you search the better at pricing these stones you will get to and you may find a really good deal. I got my 1.83 carat old euro for $3k, but it was after a year of searching.

Lastly, it’s all about how the diamond makes you feel! You’ll know when you love a stone, it’s like hearing a sirens song.
 
lovedogs said:
No way its an SI. With the chip, fissure, carbon, its definitely I1 (at least)
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100% - a definite pass at that price! It’s a huge gash!!! It doesn’t look cut well even if that giant chunk weren’t there.
 
Tinytreasurers said:
For what it’s worth, old cuts are all super unique - I’d recommend looking at lots and lots of stones on this forum, from sellers, on eBay, on IG, and in person at shops and antique fairs so you can start to narrow down on what you like and don’t like. finding -your- old diamond is like searching for a needle in a hay stack. What I love, you may not. Some of us don’t mind warmer stones while others do. Some demand great clarity, others are less concerned. Same for faceting and polish and fluorescence. That’s what makes old stones so fun, they are kind of like snowflakes.

Also, the more you search the better at pricing these stones you will get to and you may find a really good deal. I got my 1.83 carat old euro for $3k, but it was after a year of searching.

Lastly, it’s all about how the diamond makes you feel! You’ll know when you love a stone, it’s like hearing a sirens song.
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This really is the best advice anyone could give you! Sometimes looking in person isn't an option but luckily for us instagram is full of photos and videos of lots of old stones for you to peruse.

I also agree with the others - I1 in a best case scenario... could be worse!
 
Welcome to the forum! I just purchased my first diamond- may I offer a bit of advice.

I think of antique diamonds like making my own wine. Don’t run out and buy the first vineyard you find. The more time you take to educate yourself about the process, learn about the different types of grapes, test them, learn what you like and don’t like… and when you are ready to make your first batch, reach out for guidance. The more time you spend learning about antique stones, seeing them in person, finding out what makes your heart sing… reach out for help. PS is a wonderful resource- there are very passionate people here who are also brilliant teachers. There are talented vendors who can also hold your hand through the process.

The biggest mistake you can make is to rush the process. But I can promise you, the journey is WORTH IT.

I look back at screen grabs from the beginning of my journey and I’m so glad I took my time. Two years gave me time not only to educate myself, meet people who taught me so much who now feel like sisters but allowed me the time to save up for something incredible.

There are beautiful antiques out there, this is not one of them. So spend some time reading through the forum, train your eye to sort through a pile of stones until you can pick out a good one. Once you can do this, you will have a skill that will come in very handy… because I can promise you this… once you find your stone, you will want more :lol:
 
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