- Jun 20, 2013
marymm|1457646890|4002931 said:I like this pear - a lot! Personally I like the shape, the facet pattern, the way it seems very bright edge-to-edge, the small culet ... it all works for me, whether for a ring or a pendant. Do you know the depth dimension?
diamondseeker2006|1457718506|4003491 said:soxfan|1457717213|4003481 said:
He gives priority to his own stones, but does set some outside stones if he can fit them in.
I love the diamond and think it is beautiful! I love the shape! I guess my only qualm would be wondering what the inclusions are.
Coralfish|1457727142|4003547 said:Hi soxfan
Inasmuch as one can be sure, are you satisfied it's an antique or even vintage stone? I can't see closely enough in the video but from the pic alone the facets don't scream antique. Culets are not completely uncommon in modern pears.
Hi soxfansoxfan|1457717213|4003481 said:
Coralfish|1457734036|4003633 said:Hi soxfan
I would, broadly speaking, prefer to see much larger facets, a smaller table (less of a given in an antique pear) and, it's a mere presumption given the photo, but I suspect the crown is not all that high.
It may well be a vintage diamond, perhaps even a transitional pear, and it all depends on what you personally are looking for and will enjoy in the diamond.
Also it depends on the price to some extent.
Please ignore the price in the first link! But just looking at the size of the facets beneath the table. And the general 'feel':
It all depends on what 'feel' you want. Of course there is no wrong choice but just wanted to alert you to the possibility in case it is a fundamental in your purchase. Again it depends on what characteristics you seek that are important to you for the stone to have. Do you enjoy the slower and larger flashes of the larger facets, and/or a more firey high crown, or are there in fact other, different factors that you seek and will enjoy about the stone.
If Ilya can provide more photos of the side and of the diamond tilted it may help elucidate the matter.
ETA: sometimes large real life facets can be obscured by numerous virtual facet events (a factor of the combination of crown and pavillion angles and depth) which for me (but of course not for everybody) nullifies some of the charm of antique stones when this is the case. Again I am not sure what the case is with this particular stone but I think further photos would clarify.
Coralfish|1457740920|4003680 said:Well in that case, this sounds like your Perfect Pear! Seeing as it meets all your criteria and for a competitive price I too would be happy to pay the GIA/shipping fees. How exciting!
Coralfish|1457744010|4003696 said:Yes indeed, that's a good point... In all honesty I'm not convinced that it is. Vintage-wise, I don't see it being older than a transitional pear; and it could theoretically have been cut last week... though, this is just based on that one picture and video. More pics will most definitely complete the 'picture'. What trade-offs, for the increased price the Vintage tag brings, namely what aspects of its vintage-ness, do you hope to experience in the stone? So, you are willing to pay a premium for it being a vintage stone, and how do you hope this will reflect visually in its appearance? Not sure if I am making any sense trying to word that question!
Are you also thinking from the POV of resale value? So, what characteristics would a theoretical next buyer be able to see in the stone, that they would pay the 'vintage' premium for? (I say this as I would think this too if paying a premium for some aspect of a stone).
Again I'm not sure and think more pics will help. Also a general consensus of voices if you canvas opinions here on PS may point you to what the 'market' feels the stone is. I think if you love the stone and find its stated provenance (at least its age) questionable you may be able to use this to negotiate with Ilya, to pay a price for a retailed second-hand rather than vintage stone.
Coralfish|1457744010|4003696 said:Are you also thinking from the POV of resale value? So, what characteristics would a theoretical next buyer be able to see in the stone, that they would pay the 'vintage' premium for? (I say this as I would think this too if paying a premium for some aspect of a stone).
Lookinagain|1457748028|4003728 said:Well, I don't know if this will help you or not but I just bought a small pear from Grace described as an antique pear. I just took a quick photo (so excuse the quality) and tried to put it next to the photo of the stone you are considering. I thought it might make you feel more comfortable with your decision since there doesn't seem to be a consensus on the age of your stone. They don't look all that different to me, but I'm certainly no expert on identifying whether a stone is an antique or not. But if mine is an antique, I don't know why yours couldn't also be antique. Maybe some experts will chime in.
soxfan|1457748680|4003732 said:Wow! They are similar! Love your pear- what are you planning for it?
Diamond_Hawk|1458100143|4005964 said:Just jumping in to say, I have enjoyed keeping up with the thread. The varied opinions are really interesting, but I like how the OP is sticking to the love of that particular shape. I'm sure you will find something incredible.
thecat|1458130569|4006059 said:I love the shape of the new pear but I will pick the one with better light performance. Which have you decided on?