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  1. LLJsmom
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    by LLJsmom » Jul 5, 2019
    Needs to be a sticky.
     
  2. Siamese Kitty
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    by Siamese Kitty » Jul 5, 2019
    Wouldn't faint fluorescence in a D discount the stone a bit? And could the surface graining be an issue for haziness? Not sure if that is always a non-issue with a VS1 or not.
     
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  3. Johnbt
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    by Johnbt » Jul 5, 2019
    It’s on hold according to HPD and somebody likes it at that price. But I repeat myself.
     
  4. the_mother_thing
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    by the_mother_thing » Jul 5, 2019
    Thank you; and that’s just a fraction of what being on/reading PS has taught me over the years. :wavey:
     
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  5. hmr_mama
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    by hmr_mama » Jul 5, 2019
    I purchased my first ACA in 2010. My 2nd in 2018. My 3rd and 4th in 2019. Although it would seem I am "brand loyal", I'm really not. My husband was pleased with our first buying experience through them and trusted them with our larger upgrade. Full disclosure, when we upgraded in 2018 we also reached out to HPD--but decided to go with WF because I could get a higher color for less money (because of the 100% trade in policy). I find their diamond cut parameters to be comparable.

    If you were to find a comparable cut diamond on another website, I think you would find the mark-up is around 10-15%. If you don't see your SO ever using their trade-in policy, you might not see the value in that. But please keep reading about diamond cut and then you might see the value in super ideal diamonds. You really aren't comparing apples to apples.

    Here are two diamonds that are sorta comparable:
    https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...MONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=sameTab

    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4130461.htm

    Keep in mind that the ACA will still out perform the BN diamond because of it's symmetry.

    It's kind of like building a house. You can go through the proper channels; hire an architect, get the correct permits, hire a contractor that's qualified. Or you can skip those things and hire a guy that says he's done it before. The latter might work out great for you. But if you're like those of us that have super ideals, we're okay paying the architect, paying for permits, and finding the qualified contractor because we really don't want to be disappointed. And if we are left wanting, we can always choose another diamond that might meet the criteria we want *now*, but didn't know we wanted *then*.
     
  6. Karl_K
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    by Karl_K » Jul 5, 2019
    In larger sizes, higher color clarity there are a lot of zombie listings on the lists that are not actually available or not available at that price..
    There are also a lot of you call them and they go oh that price isn't right and they pull it off the lists and put it back at a much higher price at the wholesale level.
    Actually there are a lot of zombie stones of all sizes and colors/clarity but it stands out more due to the lower volume of the larger high color stones.
     
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  7. the_mother_thing
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    by the_mother_thing » Jul 5, 2019
    @hmr_mama Or for when you go to sell the house and want a good return on your ‘investment’ (not that diamonds are/should be considered such but the point is the same) ...
     
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  8. MollyMalone
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    by MollyMalone » Jul 5, 2019
    I myself would not make a purchase from With Clarity. It bears too much of an unfortunate resemblance in my mind to the now bankrupt Online Diamonds International Corp. doing business as Enchanted Diamonds.

    WC is a young company launched via a relatively small amount of seed money; more recently (this past October) it received an infusion of $4.8 million -- out of a hoped-for $5.7 million -- via Series A stock, from a couple of venture capitalists. Its founders launched True Mine/With Clarity just several years after graduating from college & after doing e-commerce work having nothing to do with the diamond biz. And its upgrade policy is not a generous one (altho' not unusual; it's akin to the mall chain stores like Jared).

    B2C Jewels -- a PS sponsor (which isn't up for grabs by any ol' retailer) -- is much more established. As a fyi: @the_mother_thing 's belief that B2C's upgrade policy requires you "to spend probably twice the original price" in order to receive the credit is mistaken. B2C will apply 80% of the original price of a GIA or AGS diamond purchased from them for more than $1,000 to any new loose diamond or other item they're selling -- with no limitation on the number of such upgrades by the original owner.
    https://www.b2cjewels.com/lifetime-upgrade-policy.

    B2C was one of the first (maybe the first) within my ken to offer replica rings to try before you buy, although you might very well decide on a setting from somewhere else. (Don't think you've given us any indication of what kind of setting(s) you have in mind.)
    https://www.b2cjewels.com/free-ring-trial-services
     
  9. Dancing Fire
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    by Dancing Fire » Jul 5, 2019
    Something don't jive here...Ain't no way a 2.5ct D VS1 GIA XXX selling for a low price of $40K.
     
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  10. cflutist
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    by cflutist » Jul 5, 2019
    HPD had a pricing restructure change in 2019 and has lowered their prices. I have a screen print from 2017 of a 2.07 E-VS1 and my new 2.18 E-VS1 was 7k cheaper if you calculate price per carat and do the math. I also got 100% value of my old 2.21 for a trade in. @Dancing Fire recently traded in his diamond as well because of the reduction in CBI prices.
     
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  11. Dancing Fire
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  12. the_mother_thing
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    by the_mother_thing » Jul 5, 2019
    :wavey: Happy to stand corrected; I should have double checked the specifics before misstating. My general point was, it’s not as simple/customer-friendly/flexible as HPD/WF.
     
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  13. Johnbt
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    by Johnbt » Jul 5, 2019
    re: With Clarity

    Nice site. I'd never heard of them so I cruised through it.

    Is it just me, or do other people see typos and think they should drop the site owners a line to please fix it? Seriously, the typo is even in a sentence containing the words "meticulous care."

    "We produce ever ring, in New York, with meticulous care."

    www.withclarity.com/about-us
     
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  14. hmr_mama
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    by hmr_mama » Jul 5, 2019
    Yes, I'm aware. I missed out on the "pricing restructure" by a year. My first upgrade was purchased through Whiteflash, so I had 100% upgrade through WF (sorry if that wasn't clear in my first post). So, to be clear:

    Trade in value of my 1.543/I/VS2/ACA + Cost of 2.67/H/VS1 stone from WF < Offer from HPD for my 1.543 stone + Cost of 2.6/I/VS1 stone from HPD

    If I remember correctly, the price was around $3,000. If I was upgrading THIS year, it might have had a different ending.
     
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  15. the_mother_thing
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    by the_mother_thing » Jul 5, 2019
    It used to be one of the other virtual dealers, I forget which; they just recently changed their name.

    ETA: it was Four Mine.
     
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  16. MollyMalone
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    by MollyMalone » Jul 5, 2019
    Yep, and looking at their Terms of Service page, looks like Four Mine Inc. is still the corporation name but they're doing business as With Clarity.
    https://www.withclarity.com/terms-and-conditions

    It's kinda odd: Four Mine Inc. is a Delaware corporation that has never registered with NY's Secretary of State, so technically speaking, they shouldn't be doing business in NY. (With Clarity isn't listed in either Delaware's or NY's business entity online databases as either a current or inactive entity). But based on my "audition" of their payment pages, WC is collecting New York sales taxes on purchases made by NY residents... and hopefully remitting them to NYS Dept of Tax and Finance.
     
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  17. Johnbt
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    by Johnbt » Jul 5, 2019
    "Actually there are a lot of zombie stones of all sizes and colors/clarity but it stands out more due to the lower volume of the larger high color stones."

    So it's just like online dating? :bigsmile:

    Been there, done that, but married a woman I used to work with. We started dating 2 years after I retired.
     
  18. the_mother_thing
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    by the_mother_thing » Jul 5, 2019
    See, that’s the kind of potentially shady stuff I alluded to up-thread. It may be a ‘nothing-burger’ ... or a ‘something-burger’. Perhaps I am just uber-cautious after the ED situation, but ED’s shadiness has subsequently cast a dark cloud over a lot of these "we don’t own ‘em but can get ‘em for you" diamond dealers. And the risk is just not worth it to me ... others may feel differently.
     
  19. Dancing Fire
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    by Dancing Fire » Jul 5, 2019
    Ditto, I'll only purchase from in-house vendors.
     
  20. RunningwithScissors
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    by RunningwithScissors » Jul 13, 2019
    That "somebody" is me.
     
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  21. cflutist
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    by cflutist » Jul 13, 2019
    Your D-VS1 will be absolutely gorgeous.
    Who knows, you might get a VVS2 out of it. Hypermom paid for a G-VS2 and got a VS1, big win for her.
     
  22. RunningwithScissors
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    by RunningwithScissors » Jul 13, 2019
    I am the future owner of the CBI, Super Ideal, 2.558 ct, D, (high) VS1 diamond being discussed. It has been custom cut for me as an anniversary gift from my husband. This gift has great meaning to us. It celebrates our love and attraction (mentally, spiritually and physically) over our 15 years of marriage while storms have raged around us. Through much hard work we are finally at a really good place in our lives and we wish to celebrate our success. And believe it or not, my husband is just as excited about our new diamond as I am. He even plans to propose to me again with the new ring.

    Some of you can appreciate the unique qualities of my CBI diamond. Many others would have selected a different diamond, probably a larger one of a lower color and clarity. That's okay! To each her own!

    All of us are unique individuals who not only value different things, but also have differing abilities to SEE the world around us. We MUST all keep this in mind when we either praise or condemn each other's choices.

    I wish the people on this forum could be happy for one another and cheer each other on when we finally are able to purchase our dream diamonds. Unfortunately, I have found often the opposite true, especially when a person purchases a diamond that doesn't fit the conventional wisdom of "no one needs a D" and "eye clean is eye clean" etc.

    My hunch is that many people are insecure (whether they realize it or not) and need validation of their own diamond selection. They need to tell themselves a story to make themselves feel better if someone else's diamond selection contradicts their own, or is perceived to be in any way superior to their diamond. I feel sorry for these people.

    So why did I select a D, high VS1, super ideal? (And by the way, I did NOT pay $80K for the diamond. That is how much the stone is worth AFTER it was cut and graded.)

    First, I can see color in a way most others cannot. To me, a true D colorless is different from an E, and a G looks as yellow (to me) as my grandmother's teeth after having been a smoker for 60 years. Does the mean that I think other women's rings with G or lower diamonds aren't pretty? Of course not! I have seen beauties on here on all colors. Seeing ladies post their ring photos makes my heart sing. Do I think my D, VS1 is superior to theirs? No, absolutely not. It is superior ONLY FOR ME, not for them. Also, I am very pale with pink undertones so any hint of yellow looks terrible on me.

    Second, I do not need or want a giant diamond. I greatly prefer a smaller diamond of higher cut/color/clarity. I am very slender so a "large" diamond looks ostentatious on my hands. Also, I am from a family and peer group that sees overly large jewelry as a sign of someone who is crass. If I showed up with a diamond too large for my hand, they'd joke that I've walked out of the movie "My Cousin Vinny." This is a snoby outlook, I don't care for it and I try hard not to share it. I believe we just all make ourselves happy and buy the diamond that is right for us. But it is what it is and my background has probably shaped my natural preference for smaller, but extremely high quality diamonds.

    So really, to each her/his own. Viva la Diffèrence! Many of us are buying our dream diamonds, ones we've dreamt about for years. I know I am. Let's be happy for each other.
     
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  23. MissGotRocks
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    by MissGotRocks » Jul 13, 2019
    The people on this forum are happy for those that find the diamond of their dreams. You must not have read many SMTB threads. Different colors and clarities are suggested to folks that are looking for suggestions or buying blind because they do not know or understand color/clarity/price.

    I don’t recall anyone saying anything negative about your diamond choice. I am sure it will be beautiful and hope that it is everything you want it to be. A 2.5 carat diamond is not small though - even if it is smaller than what some purchase. I can assure you there are many people here with smaller diamonds that are just as happy with. Don’t paint the whole of the forum with such a broad, negative brush. There are many wonderful, helpful people here and I can assure you that they are happy for people that come to show their .50 carat diamond or their 5.00 diamond and they will be happy to celebrate you with yours.
     
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  24. the_mother_thing
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    by the_mother_thing » Jul 13, 2019
    @RunningwithScissors While I agree with your sentiment that people should buy what they want/love for their own reasons, and no one should be made to feel bad about their choices, I don’t believe anyone was putting down ‘your’ diamond.

    I think the OP (being unfamiliar with the most important ‘C’ - cut) was trying to understand what justified the price difference between super ideals (such as ‘yours’) vs non-super ideals. And I believe that is what most of us were trying to help him/her understand ... that ‘your’ diamond - which OP happened to stumble upon while browsing - possessed a superior cut and certain qualities (all good) that put it in a whole different realm than the non-super ideal diamonds OP found elsewhere.

    You have no reason nor need to justify to anyone your diamond choice; if someone doesn’t like it, that is their problem. I do hope you’ll be back with pics of that beauty once it’s set! :wavey:
     
  25. diamondseeker2006
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    by diamondseeker2006 » Jul 13, 2019
    @RunningwithScissors I think the one thing here that most regulars agree on is great cut! We differ a lot in the other specs! I am in the same boat in that I would not feel comfortable wearing above 2.5 cts. But I tend to collect multiple diamond rings instead of one large one! I prefer VS1, too. I think there is nothing wrong at all with those who choose D color over greater size, and I understand those who choose to go 3-5 cts in I or J color, as well. I guess I fall somewhere in the middle as I have a limit of how much extra I'll pay for high color grades. I do think most people here honestly are happy for anyone getting a fine quality diamond, regardless of the specific specs (other than cut).

    Congrats on your new stone! I can't wait to see it!
     
  26. LLJsmom
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    by LLJsmom » Jul 13, 2019
    @RunningwithScissors
    Please don’t take a lot of comments personally when PSers are giving advice to newbies. You have had time to determine what is right for you. And you made your purchase based on that. Many of the newer people that come to this forum looking for help in making their first significant diamond purchase have not had the benefit of learning about diamonds or developing and gauging their own tastes or tolerances. They have never seen how a diamond behaves away from the professional
    lighting of a jewelry store. Many have been to B&Ms only and have had Jewelers tell them “D is the best” and “nothing is higher than GIA triple X”. Today I spent 3 excruciating hours at a gem show looking for a nice stone, and had jeweler after jeweler give me strange looks when I didn’t like their sparkly yet leaky gem. So much of PS advice is meant to provide more complete information. And then people will buy what they buy. PSers only care that buyers make informed decisions.
    Congratulations on your forthcoming beauty. She is stunning I’m sure. Who wouldn’t love a super ideal D, VS1? You will probably need sunglasses.
     
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  27. Kaycee2018
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    Wow
     
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  28. LLJsmom
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    by LLJsmom » Jul 13, 2019
    I apologize. Autocorrect somehow put “women” before PSers in the first sentence of my post. That word should not be there. It is so annoying when I need to reread a post to check for incorrect autocorrections.
     
  29. aac2013
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    @RunningwithScissors congrats on your 15 year anniversary! Your diamond will be fabulous and I can’t wait to see it posted with pics. Have you decided on a setting? My 20 year anniversary is this year. Sadly I think we are celebrating with a master closet redo rather than a diamond.


    @ALRAAA welcome to Pricescope. Was your question just a general one or are you in the process of a diamond search? If the later, best of luck on your exciting journey. As others have mentioned, try to use a vetted well established online vendor (see the thread posted at the top of this forum regarding Enchanted Diamonds debacle if you have not already done so).
     
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  30. Dancing Fire
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    A closet is more important than diamond? :confused:
     
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