1.51 Ct... Worth it? Need expert opinion..

[ryebread]

1st time post looking for some expertise.....
Looking at this diamond and it come up to a 1.8 on the Hollaway Cut Adviser. What do you all think? for the price?
EGL certified E SI1
1.51 ct
Round
7.39x7.34x4.56

Total Depth: 61.9%
Table Width: 55%
Crown Height: 16%
Pavillion Depth: 43%
Gridle: Thin, Faceted

Polish: Excellent
Symmentry: Excellent
Cutlet: None

Price $10800.00

 

[Ellen]

Hi rye,

Have you read up on here about EGL? Do you know which lab division graded it?

 

[ryebread]

EWhere would it say it? Cant seem to locate on this report.

 

[Ellen]

Here''s a ink to a copy of one from the USA, which is the one we''d like to see. They''re the only one that seems to be fairly accurate in their grading. Look up at the top under Diamond Certficate.

http://www.eglusa.com/images/d_cert2004.gif

 

[gulliverseyes]

You can search whiteflash.com and see if you can pull up a GIA with similar specs for less. Maybe look into a lesser color letter as well. I''m no pro.

 

[ryebread]

All it says is Diamond Certificate Report issued by: EGL

If it was accurate, good?

 

[nolimits]

Have you compared prices at Whiteflash, James Allen, Good Old Gold, etc?

I''m not necessarily against an EGL cert but I do think you need to exercise some caution. If you are ordering online I would be certain the return policy so you can perform an inspection yourself and I would also want an INDEPENDENT appraiser to review the stone and make a determination of how accurate the certification truly is.

From what I''ve read, EGL certs are mostly "soft" on the color rating but you have an excellent color to start with so that wouldn''t bother me much. Read here for more on the different types of certs: http://grading.pricescope.com/

All that being said I think you can find some real bargains with EGL certs and still get a beautiful diamond. Again, just be careful.

I did plug in your information into the Pricescope cut advisor and it came back and said you had a nicely cut diamond although it has the girdle listed wrong. Perhaps someone else can chime in with more experience as I''m searching for a princess cut and not very familiar with specifics on rounds. Below is a cut and paste of what it said:


Selected: 61.9% depth, 55% table, 16% crown, 43% pavilion, 0% culet
The result is for a symmetrical diamond with a medium girdle and very good polish
HCA scores were adjusted Dec. 15, 2001 and Feb. 6, 2003.

Light Return Very Good
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Very Good
Spread or diameter for weight Very Good
Total Visual Performance 1.8 - Excellent within TIC range

 

[Lorelei]

Welcome to Pricescope.

EGL also uses percents for crown and pavillion angles on the cut advisor, which aren''t as accurate as angles, but this still could be a well cut diamond. I would ask your vendor for an Idealscope image if available, also if having an E colour is of importance, make the sale final on this diamond checking out with an independant appraisal. NoLimits, also as far as I am aware, the HCA '' assumes'' a medium girdle when checking out proportions, there are no options for girdle measurements as really they aren''t crucial to performance like the crown and pav angles etc.

 

[sparxs111]

here is a post on how to tell EGL lab location. I do know that EGL israel consists solely of numbers and in my opinion should be avoided as they can sometimes low ball their diamonds

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/how-to-tell-which-egl-lab-the-diamond-is-from.53712/

 

[vespergirl]

If you love the stone, go for it. I have a 2.01 ct G SI1 EGL H&A, and I haven''t stopped staring at the stone since I put it on my finger.

Judge the diamond with your eyes - get an Idealscope to check out the cut. We got my diamond from a dealer that had AGS, GIA and EGL stones, and my choice in our price range was between a 1.7 ct GIA or a 2 ct EGL, and I feel confident that I got a beautiful stone once I checked it out through the Idealscope. Maybe the color grading is a little soft in some EGL stones, but I held my G next to GIA F, G, and H stones and I feel confident that mine is an accurately graded "low G."

A cert is a piece of paper - you may be paying for extra confidence by going with GIA or AGS, but with some good diamond education and an Idealscope, you can find a beautiful EGL stone. We saved $7000 by purchasing EGL instead of AGS.

 

[Ellen]

sparxs, thanks for the thread on EGL!

 

[ryebread]

Given the dimensions are true, is this a diamond worth $10,800??

Any knowledgable opinion would be helpful.. Thanks so much!!!

 

[Missrocks]

My feeling is that is is not a true E / SI1 for that price. Not my any means to say that that particular one isn't a pretty stone (an F/SI2 or a G/SI1 would still be pretty in my opinion) And it looks to be cut very well. In all honesty, I have seen some very pretty EGL stones on here! But I have seen more of the opposite.

There is no way to beat the market in my opinion...I feel that everything is usually priced accordingly. If you shop prices, you won't find there is a standard price for "ideal" cut EGL E/SI1's (even given that you are excluding foriegn EGL reports)
What I have found is you will see a wide range of prices, even with cut parameters being the same. The ones that are priced close to GIA prices will probably be closer to true E/SI1's..The ones that are way off base will probably be 2 or 3 grades off.

The people that are selling those have to know what quality of diamond product they have-their business depends on it. Its really hard for me to believe that down the whole chain of supply and demand NOT ONCE was the stone was not evalulated for what it really is... I'm not saying none have slipped through the cracks, but I'll bet they are few and far between..

 

[coatimundi_org]

-just did a quick search on jamesallen, and GIA and AGS graded E Si1 1.51 rbs of various cuts were priced from 9,500 to about 13,000. When you figure out which EGL it is, it will be easier--and, like Lorelei said, an independent appraiser can check it out for you.

 

[Missrocks]

Date: 1/28/2008 1:51:59 AM
Author: coatimundi
-just did a quick search on jamesallen, and GIA and AGS graded E Si1 1.51 rbs of various cuts were priced from 9,500 to about 13,000. When you figure out which EGL it is, it will be easier--and, like Lorelei said, an independent appraiser can check it out for you.

The closet match for Ryebread''s EGL was a stone for over 13,000. All of the stones at the lower end of the range were discounted for one or more of the following reasons: medium or strong blue fluorescence, had old (some as old as 1999- 2000) GIA certs lacking crown / pavilion (mystery angles...hmmm..), had small diameter, extremely steep/ shallow crown (ie 32 or steep ie. 36.5), only good / good pol/ sym. That really makes them lacking in comparison on cut alone.

I concur with the independant appraiser idea if you end up going with it. I do agree the cut appears in the desirable range.

 

[Ellen]

rye, in a nutshell, I''d suggest sticking with AGS and GIA graded stones. They''re just much safer.

 

[ryebread]

Can I have an appraiser look at it before I buy it? If the dealer sells me a E/SI1(regardless of who certified it) shouldn''t it be an E/ SI1?

Im going to hold there feet to the fire. If they sell me a $10K stone it better be what they say it is, or what the appraiser says or it will be returned. Im going to have it written in the contract. Good idea?

 

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Date: 1/28/2008 3:43:54 PM
Author: ryebread
Can I have an appraiser look at it before I buy it? If the dealer sells me a E/SI1(regardless of who certified it) shouldn''t it be an E/ SI1?

Im going to hold there feet to the fire. If they sell me a $10K stone it better be what they say it is, or what the appraiser says or it will be returned. Im going to have it written in the contract. Good idea?

Get it in writing. There have been many posts (myself included) about EGL being too soft in their grading. I had an EGL (Israel) that was two colors and two clarities below what EGL had graded it. It did indeed go back for a refund as it was not worth the $ paid. Of course we had to pay the appraiser to find that out...

If you can see an EGL stone prior to purchase and love it, then I would say sure get it and take it to get it appraised. If not, I don''t think it is worth the time and $ and effort.

 

[dmus]

Seems like a pretty good deal. Can''t see the angles on crown and pavillion and a depth around 60% would give you better spread. I personally feel more comfortable with an AGS or GIA cert versus the EGL. I bought a 1.53 AGS triple zero G SI1 for $10,900 on BlueNile with a depth of 60.1% and table 55%. The anles were excellent. I''d suggest checking them out. That being said, judging from the limited info your diamond seems reasonably priced. Good luck.