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Gypsy

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Alexy|1465444192|4042033 said:
Hi Everyone!

I need your opinion on this one.. I am looking to purchase a ring for around 10-12K max.
The numbers look good as far as I know.. but I am not the expert so I am hoping you guys could help me decide.


http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8203581-1.57-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-VS2-clarity.aspx

Thank you.
Not good. Not good at all.

Round Diamonds 101:

The entire purpose of faceting a diamond is to reflect light.
How well or how poorly a diamond does this determines how beautiful it is.
How well a diamond performs is determined by the angles and cutting. This is why we say cut is king.
No other factor: not color, not clarity has as much of an impact on the appearance of a diamond as its cut. An ideal H will out white a poorly cut F. With round diamonds even a GIA triple Excellent is not enough. And you must stick to GIA and AGS only (HPD in Europe is good as well). EGL is a bad option: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/[/URL]
So how to we ensure that we have the right angles and cutting to get the light performance we want?
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut
Well one method is to start with a GIA Ex, and then apply the HCA to it. YOU DO NOT USE HCA for AGS0 stones generally, though you can. In general, AGS0 trumps HCA though as one examines the actual stone and the other does not.
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor
The HCA is a rejection tool. Not a selection tool. It uses 4 data points to make a rudimentary call on how the diamond may perform.
If the diamond passes then you know that you are in the right zone in terms of angles for light performance. Under 2 is a pass. Under 2.5-2.1 is a maybe. 2.6 and over is a no. No score 2 and under is better than any other.
Is that enough? Not really.

So what you need is a way to check actual light performance of your actual stone.
That's what an idealscope image does. https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/firescope-idealscope
It shows you how and wear your diamond is reflecting light, how well it is going at it, and where you are losing light return. That is why you won't see us recommending Blue Nile, as they do not provide idealscope images for their diamonds. BGD,BE, James Allen, GOG, HPD, ERD and WF do.

The Idealscope is the 'selection tool'. Not the HCA.
So yes, with a GIA stone you need the idealscope images. Or you can buy an idealscope yourself and take it in to the jeweler you are working with to check the stones yourself. Or if you have a good return policy (full refund minimum 7 days) then you can buy the idealscope, buy the stone, and do it at home.

Now if you want to skip all that... stick to AGS0 stones and then all you have to do is pick color and clarity and you know you have a great performing diamond. Because AGS has already done the checking for you. That's why they trade at a premium. Some AGS0's are better than others though, so pay attention to any ASET or IS provided.

In general with rounds, you will want a table 60% or less. A depth between 59 and 62.4. Crown angle 33.5-35. Pavilion Angle: 40.6-40.9 (there is a little give on this). And the crown and pavilion angles must be complimentary which is what the HCA checks for you.
 

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https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.45-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-1009256 ask for idealscope
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8340685-1.50-carat-Round-diamond-G-color-VS2-Clarity.aspx?sku=8340685&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com if eyeclean get a picture
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8269733-1.51-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-VS2-Clarity.aspx?sku=8269733&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com if eyeclean get a picture
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8384110-1.51-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-SI1-Clarity.aspx?sku=8384110&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com if eyeclean get a picture
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.51-carat-h-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-1009041 Nice all around. Ask for idealscope
If eyeclean ask for image: http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8419187-1.52-carat-Round-diamond-D-color-SI1-Clarity.aspx?sku=8419187&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

VALUE ALERT: This one could be a really nice find: http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8010807-1.52-carat-Round-diamond-F-color-SI1-Clarity.aspx?sku=8010807&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com ask for images and idealscope

Also could be eyeclean: http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8416771-1.52-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-SI1-Clarity.aspx?sku=8416771&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com if it doesn't have a transparency issue.

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8368935-1.53-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-VVS2-Clarity.aspx?sku=8368935&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com If they can get you an idealscope that would be ideal.

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8371970-1.55-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-VS1-Clarity.aspx?sku=8371970&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com get picture and ask for idealscope. :love:

Or this one: http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8392811-1.65-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-VS2-Clarity.aspx?sku=8392811&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com ask for idealscope :love:

Or.... http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8366439-1.71-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-VS1-Clarity.aspx?sku=8366439&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com BIG, get a picture and ask for idealscope :love:
 

Gypsy

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Pay attention the the MEASUREMENTS (not the carat weight) of the DIAMETER when comparing stones. Okay?
 

Alexy

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Goodness! Thank you, Gypsy! And I though i had at least some idea! : :sick:
I will start with your recommendations/link and get more info.

Thank you. :)
 

Gypsy

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YUP.

There are A LOT of really nice options for you. So I fully expect you to get an amazing one!

Come back and let us know what you end up with!
 

Alexy

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Sure thing! I'm still waiting for their email since they have to contact the supplier first for images and idealscope.
Is that normal...??
 

Gypsy

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Yes, it is with those sellers.
 

Alexy

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Ok, i will try to be more patient.. :think:

Maybe look for other stones as Plan B. :dance:
 

Gypsy

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It's a good one. Which stone is that?
 

Alexy

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It's the biggest stone you suggested. Unfortunately,I was notified just earlier today that it is not available. :(
 

Alexy

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What do you think of this?

This is the only idealscope they sent me. should I be worried?

ab18392811_-_idealscope.jpg
 

Gypsy

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No. It's perfectly acceptable in every way.

Which stone is it for?
 

Alexy

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This was my 3rd choice since my first 2 are not available.
What is your opinion on this, Gypsy?
:)
 

Alexy

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Ok, No ring from B2C yet..
they made a mistake of sending me just the diamond, with no setting. :snooty:
 

tracylt

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That's funny. I've been interested in ordering a stone AND a setting from them, but not quite sure of their craftsmanship. I've ordered a bunch of loose stones from them though, and so far I am pleased with their fast shipping and responsive customer service. PLEASE do post pictures (the more, the better!) when the final ring comes.
 

Alexy

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i know.. I cant find much about their quality of work either. Will be hoping for the best. The stone looks nice. Its a bummer because I was in touch with their customer service yesterday and was assured that what I will be receiving will be the ring and stone but did not happen.
:snooty: :snooty: :snooty:

Maybe i'll just have Joe Escobar mount it.. :think:
 

Alexy

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Hi All!
Sorry for the late post.
As promised, I am posting the ring I got from B2C. It was not 100% smooth transaction as there was a little drama involved which was fixed right away. Anyway, I am very happy and satisfied with my purchase from them. The quality is of the diamond great! I had it upraised and all is well. Good quality for a reasonable price. They compensated me $100 credit due to some mistake they made and another 20% off for my next jewelry purchase so I think they have been fair. And in all fairness, they were quick to respond and made the necessary correction.
I bought my diamond and setting thru them and I am happy with both. Quality of the band is great.
I would buy from them again (hopefully no more drama though.... :naughty: ).
Special shoutout to gypsy for all the help. :clap: :clap:

ring_1_25.jpg
 

Madison2

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Your ring is Gorgeous! Please post more pics and specs of the ring. You can start a new thread in Show me the Bling!
Congrats!
 

tyty333

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That's really beautiful Alexy!

Everyone makes mistakes...it's how they handle them that really matters. Sounds like they made it up to you. Glad to hear that!
 

lovedogs

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oh my goodness what a gorgeous outcome! Happy that the company made it right, and everything worked out in the end. As tyty said, everyone makes mistakes, and what makes good companies stand out is their ability to fix it quickly and to the customers satisfaction. Congrats on your engagement!
 

Gypsy

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It looks beautiful. You are more than welcome. I am so happy everything worked out in the end and that you love the ring. I really like the setting style you chose. It reminds me of a flower made of light. And the proportions are perfect. Can you post a few more shots fo the setting? The profile shot especially.
 

farrahlyn

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WOW, your ring is gorgeous! Lovely stone and that setting is just amazing :love: congrats on your engagement!
 
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