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Date: 3/9/2009 8:07:45 AM
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Date: 3/9/2009 12:59:36 AM

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You and me both, my collection is done. The price of pads are sky high. I am not giving anymore advice out now either. I am totally confused now. HA. I just need to find a setting for the two small pads I have, then I will be happy.

Oh no! But then who would we newbies turn to for such sagely advice if you and TGal retire from the pad world?

And I agree, would love to see pictures when you''re all done setting your lovely gems :)


I will help you as much as I can MTG. I was so confused. HA
 

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Date: 3/9/2009 12:44:48 PM
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Date: 3/9/2009 8:07:45 AM
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Date: 3/9/2009 12:59:36 AM

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You and me both, my collection is done. The price of pads are sky high. I am not giving anymore advice out now either. I am totally confused now. HA. I just need to find a setting for the two small pads I have, then I will be happy.

Oh no! But then who would we newbies turn to for such sagely advice if you and TGal retire from the pad world?

And I agree, would love to see pictures when you're all done setting your lovely gems :)


I will help you as much as I can MTG. I was so confused. HA
LOL Linda, I don't think you should be confused. I think pads are what you've been saying all along. But as we've seen from vendors, there seems to be some room from interpretation!

I'd be interested to see what Richard says about the segment in his book, which I hope I did not misquote.

ETA, MTG, I am no expert (or for that matter, even savvy) on pads. I only have seen 3 of them, one of which was synthetic.
 

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well I''ve never seen one with lavender either. A little more pink than peach maybe but not lavender. Someone will have to post some pics. I''m curious now.
 

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Date: 3/9/2009 12:50:26 PM
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well I''ve never seen one with lavender either. A little more pink than peach maybe but not lavender. Someone will have to post some pics. I''m curious now.

Can you see it in this pad?

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Great link Skippy!

I thought about getting the JW pad certed by AGTA. I thought it was quite reasonable. For a 2 c stone, the cert/ID, origin report, pics, (basically the works) was $265. I know they are more expensive, but when spending a fair amount of change, 265 bucks didn''t seem to bad to ensure what I was getting. I didn''t bother because I returned the stone.

For a week I feel like I read every article on pads out there. There is precious little talk of any sort of color other than orange and pink in a pad. Which is why I returned the JW pad. Not because I didn''t see the pink and orange (I did), but I also saw the lavender. I wanted the "classic" pad color, which to me was a delicate peachy pink.
 

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I guess I do see a bit of blue tone. But at first glance it just looks salmon in color.
 

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Date: 3/9/2009 2:05:28 PM
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I guess I do see a bit of blue tone. But at first glance it just looks salmon in color.
It was a lot more lavender in person. I didn''t even think the lavender was part of the stone when I saw the stock photo. Thought it was a reflection or something.
 

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Hehe, this is unrelated kind of, but we were learning about color coding and the visual system in our med school curriculum, and man do humans suck at identifying pure colors, lol. Our eyes are built to enhance and detect edges (not pure color tones), which is probably why most gem dealers recommend you bring something standardized with you when gem shopping so you have something to compare the stones to. I definitely remember in Thailand, a lot of gem dealers would try to "trick" you by showing you a lot of lighter colored stones with the stone they were trying to sell you so that the color seemed stronger.

Also, on Natural Sapphire Company's website, they have quite a few "pads" which are just downright lavender/purple.
http://www.thenaturalsapphirecompany.com/Sapphires/Padparadscha/Cushion/stoneid=PA103

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Thanks guys for your input.

From my own perspective (and the reason I asked this question), I believe that there is a real absence of what is/is not considered to be a Pad other than "orangey pink" and "pinkish orange". To me, it appears to be judged more on a stone by stone basis and what one person would consider a Pad, another wouldn''t. Not exactly helpful but I guess it''s along the same lines as when does a pink sapphire become a Ruby!

Interestingly, I found this picture of Pad rough - I can really see lavender in this!
 

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Date: 3/9/2009 4:53:12 PM
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Thanks guys for your input.

From my own perspective (and the reason I asked this question), I believe that there is a real absence of what is/is not considered to be a Pad other than ''orangey pink'' and ''pinkish orange''. To me, it appears to be judged more on a stone by stone basis and what one person would consider a Pad, another wouldn''t. Not exactly helpful but I guess it''s along the same lines as when does a pink sapphire become a Ruby!

Interestingly, I found this picture of Pad rough - I can really see lavender in this!
LD, I use that pic of the rough for my inspiration pic in the collage on my thread. I noticed that lavender, and wonder how that rough was cut. Not sure if the top part would be the real "pad" part and the bottom would just be a purple sapphire.
 

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Date: 3/9/2009 4:18:52 PM
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Hehe, this is unrelated kind of, but we were learning about color coding and the visual system in our med school curriculum, and man do humans suck at identifying pure colors, lol. Our eyes are built to enhance and detect edges (not pure color tones), which is probably why most gem dealers recommend you bring something standardized with you when gem shopping so you have something to compare the stones to. I definitely remember in Thailand, a lot of gem dealers would try to ''trick'' you by showing you a lot of lighter colored stones with the stone they were trying to sell you so that the color seemed stronger.


Also, on Natural Sapphire Company''s website, they have quite a few ''pads'' which are just downright lavender/purple.

http://www.thenaturalsapphirecompany.com/Sapphires/Padparadscha/Cushion/stoneid=PA103



That is a horrible looking stone. That doesn''t even look like a pad. I don''t see how they can even call it one.
 

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Date: 3/9/2009 4:53:12 PM
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Thanks guys for your input.


From my own perspective (and the reason I asked this question), I believe that there is a real absence of what is/is not considered to be a Pad other than ''orangey pink'' and ''pinkish orange''. To me, it appears to be judged more on a stone by stone basis and what one person would consider a Pad, another wouldn''t. Not exactly helpful but I guess it''s along the same lines as when does a pink sapphire become a Ruby!


Interestingly, I found this picture of Pad rough - I can really see lavender in this!



I have always loved this picture and I have it saved. Now to me, I see a very dark orangy pink. I guess each person sees different things.
 

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Date: 3/9/2009 4:57:13 PM
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Date: 3/9/2009 4:53:12 PM
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Thanks guys for your input.


From my own perspective (and the reason I asked this question), I believe that there is a real absence of what is/is not considered to be a Pad other than ''orangey pink'' and ''pinkish orange''. To me, it appears to be judged more on a stone by stone basis and what one person would consider a Pad, another wouldn''t. Not exactly helpful but I guess it''s along the same lines as when does a pink sapphire become a Ruby!


Interestingly, I found this picture of Pad rough - I can really see lavender in this!



I have always loved this picture and I have it saved. Now to me, I see a very dark orangy pink. I guess each person sees different things.
really? even if you were to cut the pic in half and look at the lower half only?
 

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Yes, it may be my monitor too. But I see a very dark orangy pink. I know call me weird. HA.
 

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Date: 3/9/2009 5:06:25 PM
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I''m struggling to see either pink (in the truest sense of the word) or orange in this and I''m seeing far more lavender. So if lavender isn''t considered an acceptable modifier then how can this be classified as a Pad?

http://www.thenaturalsapphirecompany.com/Sapphires/Padparadscha/Emerald-Cut/stoneid=PA240
I tell ya LD, this pad thing is a headache, lol.

Anything I buy that is classified as pad, I''d get it certed, period. I know certs aren''t the be all end all, but I want to know if I''m getting exactly what I''ve paid a premium for. These days, it seems like people will label anything that exhibits any kind of pink and orange a pad.
 

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Date: 3/9/2009 5:08:39 PM
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Date: 3/9/2009 5:06:25 PM
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I''m struggling to see either pink (in the truest sense of the word) or orange in this and I''m seeing far more lavender. So if lavender isn''t considered an acceptable modifier then how can this be classified as a Pad?

http://www.thenaturalsapphirecompany.com/Sapphires/Padparadscha/Emerald-Cut/stoneid=PA240
I tell ya LD, this pad thing is a headache, lol.

Anything I buy that is classified as pad, I''d get it certed, period. I know certs aren''t the be all end all, but I want to know if I''m getting exactly what I''ve paid a premium for. These days, it seems like people will label anything that exhibits any kind of pink and orange a pad.
Yep I''m right with you on this one!

Interestingly I thought that certs never actually said "Padparadscha" on them so was interested in the AGTA link above because quite clearly they do! You live and learn.
 

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Date: 3/9/2009 5:15:13 PM
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Date: 3/9/2009 5:08:39 PM
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Date: 3/9/2009 5:06:25 PM
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I''m struggling to see either pink (in the truest sense of the word) or orange in this and I''m seeing far more lavender. So if lavender isn''t considered an acceptable modifier then how can this be classified as a Pad?

http://www.thenaturalsapphirecompany.com/Sapphires/Padparadscha/Emerald-Cut/stoneid=PA240
I tell ya LD, this pad thing is a headache, lol.

Anything I buy that is classified as pad, I''d get it certed, period. I know certs aren''t the be all end all, but I want to know if I''m getting exactly what I''ve paid a premium for. These days, it seems like people will label anything that exhibits any kind of pink and orange a pad.
Yep I''m right with you on this one!

Interestingly I thought that certs never actually said ''Padparadscha'' on them so was interested in the AGTA link above because quite clearly they do! You live and learn.
I think it was something they started within the last few years. Richard Wise has a blog entry about what pinning down what pad colors might mean - let me find the link...
 

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Well, I"m off to the Natural Sapp Company on Wednesday, and I''ll bring up the lavender/color grading thing and see what they have to say. To be taken with a grain of salt obviously since they will be trying to sell me something :razz: Still, I hear they''re a reputable sapphire dealer so I''d be interested to know how they classify their pads (since many of their listed pads don''t meet the "pinky-orange" that the definition seems to demand)
 

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Date: 3/9/2009 5:26:34 PM
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Well, I''m off to the Natural Sapp Company on Wednesday, and I''ll bring up the lavender/color grading thing and see what they have to say. To be taken with a grain of salt obviously since they will be trying to sell me something :razz: Still, I hear they''re a reputable sapphire dealer so I''d be interested to know how they classify their pads (since many of their listed pads don''t meet the ''pinky-orange'' that the definition seems to demand)

I''ll be interested to hear about the experience!
 

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Me too, can''t wait to hear all about it.
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Did they say who you will be meeting with, or you just have to wait until you arrive??
 

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I''m very excited as well, so you can be sure I will write all about it when I come back! (Think they''ll let me take notes?) Haha, I''ll even bring my camera along but something tells me I won''t be allowed to take pics :razz:

I''ve been corresponding with Livia Brode, who set up my Wednesday appointment, so I''m assuming I''m meeting with her. But if I get introduced to Steve (?) I''ll be sure to say that Linda from Cali says hi!
 

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Thank you MTG. I haven''t spoken to Steve in over a year or longer. Hopefully, he will still remember me.
 

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Date: 3/9/2009 5:51:59 PM
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Thank you MTG. I haven't spoken to Steve in over a year or longer. Hopefully, he will still remember me.

Well, I'll bring a picture of your avatar with me on my phone to jog his memory. :) Who could forget that stone!

...unless you didn't get it from him, wouldn't want him thinking you were steppin out ;-)
 

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ha ha ha ha. Yes, I bought that from him in 2006. He should remember, at least I hope he does.
 
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