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Word to your entire post Karen.Date: 6/5/2008 8:03:48 AM
Author: ksinger
Nope. YOU need to put forth something before we ''discuss'' this. You opened this - so what do you think and why?
I''m assuming you want a discussion and not just something where you can interject a one-liner here and there and then bail?
Word to these two. It''s ridic.Date: 6/5/2008 9:47:51 AM
Author: surfgirl
Word to your entire post Karen.Date: 6/5/2008 8:03:48 AM
Author: ksinger
Nope. YOU need to put forth something before we ''discuss'' this. You opened this - so what do you think and why?
I''m assuming you want a discussion and not just something where you can interject a one-liner here and there and then bail?
DF, your one-liner, one-word provocations have become tiresome. You do it on other forum areas as well. If you have something to say, please do say it. Otherwise dont waste people''s time. It''s cowardly to throw out these little one word, one sentence posts, with your little emoticons to boot, then not engage in any meaningful discussion.
I recommend that anyone with these (very legitimate) concerns read his books, most importantly the more recent The Audacity of Hope. Admitting his shortcomings and surrounding himself with others who will provide him with a stronger base of knowledge in areas where he is somewhat lacking... this is something he believes strongly in.Date: 6/5/2008 10:34:38 AM
Author: diamondfan
I pray he accepts where he is more green and appoints wonderful people in the cabinet.
Yep, these threads bug me too! At least there isn't any more eye rolling.Date: 6/5/2008 9:47:51 AM
Author: surfgirl
Word to your entire post Karen.
DF, your one-liner, one-word provocations have become tiresome. You do it on other forum areas as well. If you have something to say, please do say it. Otherwise dont waste people's time. It's cowardly to throw out these little one word, one sentence posts, with your little emoticons to boot, then not engage in any meaningful discussion.
This seems to be one of the fundamental differences between which candidate one stands behind... vested interest in the betterment of our society, or vested interest in keeping our "own" money.Date: 6/5/2008 1:24:59 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
Karen,SG and MC...
the reason i ask this Q cuz i don't know anything about Obama,good or bad. i'll say this though...if he plans on raising taxes 'he ain't getting my vote'
the econ always goes in cycles it doesn't matter who's Prez.Date: 6/5/2008 1:35:35 PM
Author: FrekeChild
I also think the one liners are the ick.
Why don't you go read his wiki page and come back with a legit question instead of asking such a generalized question?
I would like to echo musey on this. I think that raising taxes is the least of our concerns right now. If it would help us get out of this economic wasteland Bush helped put us in, I'm all for it.
ETA: I'll even give you the link.
I just never understand this mentality DF. You do realize that taxes are what provide drinking water, paved roads, police and fire/EMT/life guard services, public schools, some public universities, etc. Taxes are what run our country. When politicians pander to those who are tax-phobic, acting like taxes are evil, it's just bizarre to me. Without taxes, we'd all be running around like animals, trying to make basic services work for ourselves. With taxes, communities, towns, cities, the country, are run with services that while not completely uniform, are relatively accessible nationwide. We have so many problems in this country, I have no problem with a little taxation as long as it is used wisely and for the most needed purposes.Date: 6/5/2008 1:24:59 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
Karen,SG and MC...
the reason i ask this Q cuz i don't know anything about Obama,good or bad. i'll say this though...if he plans on raising taxes 'he ain't getting my vote'
Date: 6/5/2008 5:03:27 AM
Author:Dancing Fire
"Half of its emergency room patients and one of every four patients admitted to the hospital either have no health insurance or are covered by Medicaid, SSM said. Platt said Medicaid reimbursement levels in Illinois haven''t been increased in 15 years.
"Most of the people without insurance cannot afford to pay us anything, and Medicaid pays us less than what it costs us to provide care," Ryan said. "No hospital can survive over the long term without being able to cover its costs."
Since Obama represents Illinois, I looked on his site to see what he has to say about the subject (from http://obama.senate.gov/issues/health_care/ ):
"Medicaid is the nation''s health safety net. Over 53 million Americans of all ages, including 2 million Illinoisans, rely on Medicaid for their health care. As a member of the Senate''s Medicaid Working Group, Senator Obama will continue the fight to strengthen Medicaid, as well as help providers who care for large numbers of poor and uninsured patients."
OMG, exactly! I just don''t get these types of personalities. And what''s with ONLY caring about taxes?!?! None of the other problems of this country resonate with you?Date: 6/5/2008 2:15:07 PM
Author: surfgirl
ETA: Saying that the economy goes in cycles and is not reflective of any particular President''s administration and its policies is IMO, both naive and a complete cop out. The last President had stock piled significant financial resources for this country. The current President has not only squandered those resources, I believe in total, but continued to spend billions, no trillions, that we do not have as a country. So if you voted for Bush, and I think you probably did based on your comments, then if we need to raise taxes to re fill the coffers, we can thank you and those who voted for Bush twice. So saying you wont vote for someone who raises taxes, because we surely need the revenue from your President''s squandering of resources, well, that''s rather ironic to me.
hey,if we can survive the Carter years we''ll survive.Date: 6/5/2008 2:00:15 PM
Author: FrekeChild
Well the billions he spent on a certain war in Iraq didn''t help did it?
Thanks China! We appreciate you lending us money!
link
Yes it cycles, but I believe we had a surplus when he came into office...
Agreed. But also, with Obama's history in Illinois, some of his top priorities are to look at the way the government spends our money and make necessary cuts. Our government spending needs a Kaizen to make it lean and efficient. Sure he's going to raise taxes. We can't make these changes with air.Date: 6/5/2008 2:15:07 PM
Author: surfgirl
I just never understand this mentality DF. You do realize that taxes are what provide drinking water, paved roads, police and fire/EMT/life guard services, public schools, some public universities, etc. Taxes are what run our country. When politicians pander to those who are tax-phobic, acting like taxes are evil, it's just bizarre to me. Without taxes, we'd all be running around like animals, trying to make basic services work for ourselves. With taxes, communities, towns, cities, the country, are run with services that while not completely uniform, are relatively accessible nationwide. We have so many problems in this country, I have no problem with a little taxation as long as it is used wisely and for the most needed purposes.Date: 6/5/2008 1:24:59 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
Karen,SG and MC...
the reason i ask this Q cuz i don't know anything about Obama,good or bad. i'll say this though...if he plans on raising taxes 'he ain't getting my vote'
ETA: Saying that the economy goes in cycles and is not reflective of any particular President's administration and its policies is IMO, both naive and a complete cop out. The last President had stock piled significant financial resources for this country. The current President has not only squandered those resources, I believe in total, but continued to spend billions, no trillions, that we do not have as a country. So if you voted for Bush, and I think you probably did based on your comments, then if we need to raise taxes to re fill the coffers, we can thank you and those who voted for Bush twice. So saying you wont vote for someone who raises taxes, because we surely need the revenue from your President's squandering of resources, well, that's rather ironic to me.
Very well said Starset. He has inspired an otherwise incredibly selfish generation and that alone is amazingly admirable.Date: 6/5/2008 2:36:29 PM
Author: Starset Princess
When I hear Obama speak? I don''t hear a main reciting a speech that someone brilliantly wrote for him to deliver. I hear a man who''s voice has compassion and concern. I hear a man who won''t embarrass us in front of foreign leaders. I hear a man who''s smart enough and dumb enough to think he can actually MAKE CHANGES in this country. He''s not in this race because it''s ''his turn'' and ''he''s earned it.'' He has risen above the odds of being a first term Senator - barely known outside of Illinois to bring on a MOVEMENT. He''s not a candidate, he''s a freaking movement - with the millennial generation registering to vote in droves because of him. This man is inspirational - just the way Kennedy inspired. It will be hard for him to not follow through because he has this movement behind him - holding him accountable and helping along the way. We want change and I think Obama is the only candidate who will come through.
Ok, you found an issue you don''t think he has fully addressed, I assume this is important to you? I can''t seem to follow your logic that because he hasn''t properly addressed this particular issue, that he is somehow or could be just an empty suit. That would be deliberately ignoring the things he has accomplished. I highly recommend you write him a letter, or, once you and your husband arrive in Chicago, get a group started to garnish more attention.Date: 6/5/2008 2:24:54 PM
Author: LAJennifer
Date: 6/5/2008 5:03:27 AM
Author:Dancing Fire
I don''t know. I haven''t yet decided my vote. However, the following is a copy of a post (by me) in the Obama Speech thread to which no one commented on. I hope he isn''t just an empty suit.
My husband and I are thinking of relocating to Chicago - so I sometimes check out real estate and newspapers to see what is going on. Today, I came across this article http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/health/875048,CST-NWS-hosp03.article . It is about a possible closing of a hospital that can no longer cover operating costs - and I quote from the article:
''Half of its emergency room patients and one of every four patients admitted to the hospital either have no health insurance or are covered by Medicaid, SSM said. Platt said Medicaid reimbursement levels in Illinois haven''t been increased in 15 years.
''Most of the people without insurance cannot afford to pay us anything, and Medicaid pays us less than what it costs us to provide care,'' Ryan said. ''No hospital can survive over the long term without being able to cover its costs.''
Since Obama represents Illinois, I looked on his site to see what he has to say about the subject (from http://obama.senate.gov/issues/health_care/ ):
''Medicaid is the nation''s health safety net. Over 53 million Americans of all ages, including 2 million Illinoisans, rely on Medicaid for their health care. As a member of the Senate''s Medicaid Working Group, Senator Obama will continue the fight to strengthen Medicaid, as well as help providers who care for large numbers of poor and uninsured patients.''
Things that make you go hmmmm . . .
Couldn't agree with your ETA more.Date: 6/5/2008 2:26:36 PM
Author: NewEnglandLady
I never chiime in on these conversations because I'm a strict constitutionalist and have unpopular opinions, but, DF, I would highly recommend you do some research on where the candidates stand on taxes, notably Obama's stance on the capital-gains tax rate.
ETA: I don't mean to be rude, but it would be nice if you educated yourself about the issues you want to discuss before creating a thread so that you could contribute and not just say things off the cuff because that's how you 'feel'. I don't understand how you can create a political view unless you educate yourself about issues from both sides of the fence FIRST.