Why all the negativity??

[RedRobbin]

I would like to say to RedRobin that sometimes the people on RT get caught in the minutia. Not unlike an olympic swimmer who shaves his legs and head to cut his racing time down by less than a second. For most of us this is an irrelevant issue. For most diamond purchasers that nth between "very good" and "superb" is irrelevant too - so you have to understand your audience. I've seen OldMiner, Garry, Jonathan, and Brian debate those nth issues because they all have slightly different ideas of what perfection is (or as close as you can) but to some extent it's a matter of preference. Take LGF for example - one person likes them short and another likes them long... if you go for an ACA from whiteflash there are constraints there that may prevent you from having very long or very short LGF and still be in the ACA category. When Brian left whiteflash I believe he altered the LGF for his signature stones a little bit (though I do not recall if they are longer or shorter).

When people go to RT the veteran posters help them to decide what their criteria are. Some people genuinely are not that concerned with cut, though that is definitely not a majority opinion here. Where there is a majority of people who have studied and chosen to shave off that nth to be the best of the best and not just the best - they believe in every ounce of their being that they have made a superior choice and they encourage others to make similar superior choices. But the reality is - and they all know this - that not everyone needs or wants to make that superior choice and a VGVGVG diamond will suit their needs perfectly. When asked is this a good stone - the answer is yes, this is a good stone - but there are better stones. When you make a choice to not have the best of the best there's nothing wrong with that but you have to own that decision too. There are a lot of people out there, posting here in fact, who have funkydunky stones and they LOVE them for their quirks even if they are far from perfect.

Understanding this atmosphere on RT is important. When push comes to shove most will not begrudge another's choice, but when asked (sometimes unasked), they will give an honest opinion and sometimes the honest opinion is that there indeed are better stones out
there. The "Ideal" stones are the best stones there are... but the "SuperIdeal" are the best of the best... the nth factor. And even in that realm the experts don't always agree....

Thanks for your insight. I just find it weird that there is one view of "great" and it seems like if a vendor deviates from that they get the BeJesus taken out of them. The definition of what is a "better stone" is dictated by one pov. Only one. And I appreciate the vendors who are willing to stick their necks out and say there's more than one way to look at things.

 

[arjunajane]

Can we puh-lease end the bashing of the way things are done on RT now? as its kinda feeding the negative vibes, and pretty far off topic..

RedRobin, you are very welcome to begin a new thread detailing what you see are the issues with the way RT is run - however I believe Ella has already clarified some of it for you.
You have leveled some pretty serious allegations in this thread, saying but not saying that some consumers are really schills or even vendors in disguise. Having been here a lil longer than yourself, I will let you that this idea appears absurd to anybody who hangs around and gets to know the dynamics and the posters.

Furthermore, if you feel there is some kind of injustice being acted upon consumers asking for advice and help, what is the best way to remedy that - jump in and say your piece! (and I mean directly in RT, not in an abstract way in Hangout).
I'm sorry to have to be so direct, but occasionally newbies will come here with some big conspiracy theories on how we're all schills and acting for the PS vendors.
As Kaleigh mentioned earlier, if you actually take into account the many many hours of education and effort that the consumers and prosumers have put toward the sole purpose of helping others, most often for nil reward except maybe a thank you and the pleasure of seeing a happy buyer - this does come across as rather insulting.

BTW, RD doesn't need others to defend him from Garry or anyone else (although I know he does play the victim quite well) - that discussion has been going on for threads innumerate, so you should soon get used to it. Garry is simply another straight-talking Aussie, albeit one who knows quite a lot more about diamonds than you or I ever likely will

I do not wish to feed this discussion about RT further, so please take my post for what it is - your replies to others also indicate that despite being directed to them previous, you may not have read the guide for vendors posting on PS or infact the forum rules.
These may help you understand the RT dynamics a bit easier - personally when it comes to rules such as vendors commenting on competitors wares, I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[RedRobbin]

I tried to read the vendor article but the link didn't work. Can someone please re post it? Thanks!

 

[ksinger]

OK, my response before this thread is gone.

First, I didn't particularly appreciate being called bitter and sarcastic Jane, and the virtual posterchild for negativity here at PS, but that is your right I suppose, even if it is what I see as a hypocritical personal attack that most say they deplore. It's also more than a bit unfair for you and Loves Vintage to use words like "constantly" and "repeatedly", as if all I do is run from thread to thread putting in negative comments about PS, or hounding people. I invite you both to go back through my posts for the last 3 month or so (there aren't that many) and refresh that selective memory to include ALL my posts, not just the ones you fixated on.

I HAVE posted in the lighter threads - recipes, etc. I've posted in some of the endless, What did you have for breakfast/what do you drive" etc, etc, threads. I HAVE posted in Pearls - pictures. I have even recently invited discussion of a personal health issue, with no response I might add. Maybe it wasn't seen, I don't know, but I'm not going to chase people down. I've even posted a few articles (going back a bit further) I found interesting. Barely any views, let alone discussion, so I quit.

I said, in the Model thread, (after Thing said something to the effect: "Oh goody, yet ANOTHER thread where we bash a woman's body", implying that this has been done on PS ad nauseum in the past, which it HAS) that yes, threads like this make PS more boring. And they do. And apparently by some of the responses in this thread, I'm not the only one who thinks so. I just had the gall to say so, both there and here. Where else? I'm certainly not finding where.

I suspect part of this pile-on may be a negative response to my recent crashing of a thread in FHH, but I can't know for sure. Maybe the animosity goes way back to something I said ages ago, but it seemed a bit outsized for what has gone on in the last day or so.

As for the therapy thread, I don't think my posts were negative, although apparently close enough to the post Holly made, to get me labeled as a bully. For the record, I don't think psychotherapy is a scam, I know several people who have been helped immensely with coping skills, although I also know one guy who has gone for over 15 years, and has most of his major issues still intact. I think no less of people who feel they need help, or get meds, or anything like that. My old college roommate had her life do a 180 when she got on antidepressants. She was SO much better, and I was and am thrilled for her. Who am I to judge? I also indicated that if the day came that I felt I needed help, I'd not hesitate to ask for it. Bully? I didn't think so.

My responses to Kenny in the therapy thread were annoyed because a) he fixated on 2 words and threw out the rest of what I said, and b) every time I was ready to post a response, he'd have edited his post - the final of which was nothing at all like the original. I can't respond to a moving target, so I simply let him know that I had seen ALL of his responses including the one accusing me of attacking him, not just the one he tried to change it to. And his poll, now removed, was over the top. Even he has admitted so.

I've been told that my negative attitude makes me boring, like a highschool girl who stands around complaining about being bored and who thinks she's too cool. I see the other clique, you know the one that acts like they're SOOO much more tolerant and OMG how could anyone in the 21st century be SUCH a neanderthal!! There is this great drumbeat for tolerance tolerance tolerance, yet there seems to be even less tolerance of diverging opinions, and just as much generalizing about groups and lumping people into them.

As for being shown the door, well, I'm not so easy to get rid of, at least not at others' urging. I do think it was as rude as anything I've been accused of. I don't think people were suggesting such things even back in the Wild West days here, but I too could be suffering from selective memory.

Well, that's it ladies and gents.

 

[Cehrabehra]

I really liked this last post you wrote ksinger, it showed a deeper side to you and I know I will appreciate that in every future post I read of yours. Thank you.

 

[stone-cold11]

I tried to read the vendor article but the link didn't work. Can someone please re post it? Thanks!

Forum policy is on every page, near the bottom of the page.

 

[princesss]

Can't post at home anymore (can't login for some unknown reason), so I'm coming in late for drinks, but I'm going to need to get today started with a mimosa. Please?

 

[Loves Vintage]

Ksinger, I'd like to apologize for my direct post to you from yesterday. I certainly did not mean to imply that you should leave PS, and certainly not at my urging. That surely is not my place!! I have appreciated your posts through the years. I was simply saying if you are that unhappy here, that leaving is an option, as is starting threads that you find interesting. I did not mean that you should, or that I think you should, leave PS. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Your post just really rubbed me the wrong way, and I was personally offended by your post in the therapy thread. There, I said it. Perhaps I am weak for feeling that way, and I realy don't care if I am, or if others think that I am. As I say, such is life. And, no one here has lived mine.

I did say "repeatedly", but that is only because I recalled a prior recent post where you mentioned how boring PS had become, and combined with the comment in this thread, it was enough to make me comment. I will also say that there are many posts on PS that also strike me the wrong way, but I choose not to comment because I really don't see the point to stirring the pot, but for some reason, yesterday, I did.

 

[arjunajane]

ksinger-firstly I respect you for explaining your position and POV. I can only address the parts of your post which involve me and my words directly-I will not assume to speak to your interactions with anyone else.

fwiw I dont read or visit FHH at all, and if you care to have a gander through my history, this week is the most I've spent in hangout easily this year -this is kind of a round bout way to say by no stretch do I feel up to date with the latest goss,scandal or personal spat.

My personal viewpoint on interacting on PS is that a poster here is only as 'good' (for lack of a better term) as his/her last couple posts - I tend to see each thread/topic as a pretty new and independent interaction, and I can confidently say maybe twice in my time here has someone's post in a different thread coloured my view of their contribution to a new one-and even then I got over it pretty quickly and went on to discuss different stuff with them or admire their knowledge or jewels. Now with all that in mind, my reaction to your first post in this thread was solely that alone-it was based off your statements and my perceived attitude behind them,which whether accurate or not for others, pretty succintly summed up what I have concerns with in terms of negativity around here lately. I am content to own up to my posts' content-can you honestly state you werent being sarcastic? Regardless, I do apologise if I upset you in any way or caused you to feel you were 'being shown the door'-this was not my intent- as I have already mentioned I feel things have been a bit slow of late, so how would less posters help right?

I thought I chose my words carefully but perhaps not quite enough. The main point I took issue with, and is usually a 'button' for me on both PS and IRL, is the thing of complaining about the status quo (boring,not fun enough) without seemingly trying to change it for the better. However, this brings me back to my earlier point-I was addressing solely your contribution to this thread, with admittedly not a whole lot of knowledge or consideration of your posts in sub forums or threads I dont follow...So I guess that may be a downfall/negative to my style of posting and interacting I explained previous. If you felt I was unfair in my assessment I do apologise- I hope now you also have some improved perspective on 'where I'm coming from' too.

 

[Lady_Disdain]

Caipirinhas, anyone? I have some nice barrel aged cachaça for that and a lovely honey cachaça fo sipping, if that is your choice.

Thank you all for these thoughtful posts. They have helped me see a different side to some posters

 

[RedRobbin]

I tried to read the vendor article but the link didn't work. Can someone please re post it? Thanks!

Forum policy is on every page, near the bottom of the page.

The vendor article is not on the bottom of these pages, from what I can tell. There was a link to the article that did not work for me.

 

[dragonfly411]

Red Robbin - at the bottom of the page there is a link to Forum Policy. It covers "Trade Members" which would be vendors.

 

[iluvcarats]

OK, my response before this thread is gone.

First, I didn't particularly appreciate being called bitter and sarcastic Jane, and the virtual posterchild for negativity here at PS, but that is your right I suppose, even if it is what I see as a hypocritical personal attack that most say they deplore. It's also more than a bit unfair for you and Loves Vintage to use words like "constantly" and "repeatedly", as if all I do is run from thread to thread putting in negative comments about PS, or hounding people. I invite you both to go back through my posts for the last 3 month or so (there aren't that many) and refresh that selective memory to include ALL my posts, not just the ones you fixated on.

I HAVE posted in the lighter threads - recipes, etc. I've posted in some of the endless, What did you have for breakfast/what do you drive" etc, etc, threads. I HAVE posted in Pearls - pictures. I have even recently invited discussion of a personal health issue, with no response I might add. Maybe it wasn't seen, I don't know, but I'm not going to chase people down. I've even posted a few articles (going back a bit further) I found interesting. Barely any views, let alone discussion, so I quit.

I said, in the Model thread, (after Thing said something to the effect: "Oh goody, yet ANOTHER thread where we bash a woman's body", implying that this has been done on PS ad nauseum in the past, which it HAS) that yes, threads like this make PS more boring. And they do. And apparently by some of the responses in this thread, I'm not the only one who thinks so. I just had the gall to say so, both there and here. Where else? I'm certainly not finding where.

I suspect part of this pile-on may be a negative response to my recent crashing of a thread in FHH, but I can't know for sure. Maybe the animosity goes way back to something I said ages ago, but it seemed a bit outsized for what has gone on in the last day or so.

As for the therapy thread, I don't think my posts were negative, although apparently close enough to the post Holly made, to get me labeled as a bully. For the record, I don't think psychotherapy is a scam, I know several people who have been helped immensely with coping skills, although I also know one guy who has gone for over 15 years, and has most of his major issues still intact. I think no less of people who feel they need help, or get meds, or anything like that. My old college roommate had her life do a 180 when she got on antidepressants. She was SO much better, and I was and am thrilled for her. Who am I to judge? I also indicated that if the day came that I felt I needed help, I'd not hesitate to ask for it. Bully? I didn't think so.

My responses to Kenny in the therapy thread were annoyed because a) he fixated on 2 words and threw out the rest of what I said, and b) every time I was ready to post a response, he'd have edited his post - the final of which was nothing at all like the original. I can't respond to a moving target, so I simply let him know that I had seen ALL of his responses including the one accusing me of attacking him, not just the one he tried to change it to. And his poll, now removed, was over the top. Even he has admitted so.

I've been told that my negative attitude makes me boring, like a highschool girl who stands around complaining about being bored and who thinks she's too cool. I see the other clique, you know the one that acts like they're SOOO much more tolerant and OMG how could anyone in the 21st century be SUCH a neanderthal!! There is this great drumbeat for tolerance tolerance tolerance, yet there seems to be even less tolerance of diverging opinions, and just as much generalizing about groups and lumping people into them.

As for being shown the door, well, I'm not so easy to get rid of, at least not at others' urging. I do think it was as rude as anything I've been accused of. I don't think people were suggesting such things even back in the Wild West days here, but I too could be suffering from selective memory.

Well, that's it ladies and gents.

I haven't been posting much lately, and it is precisely because of all the negativity I feel when reading PS and not wanting to bore everyone with MORE negativity. (Well that and the fact that I really can't relate to many of the insipid, inane posts that are often started.)
I think that the moderation of PS is so constricting (more than before) and I find it frustrating not being able to say what I really want to say. I also find that there are posters in RT and CS who are helpful, but that often they are eclipsed by those who have ordained themselves experts in the field
Ksinger:
FWIW We haven't always shared the same POV and have had our differing opinions in ATW, but I have always enjoyed reading both what you have to say, and the clever way you always say it. I always learn something from you (whether I like it or not)

 

[kenny]

I admit that edit my posts - a lot.
No matter how much I try I just don't seem to really see what I wrote till it's posted.
Some of my threads will be edited many times.
I'm often mad that my 45-minute editing window is expired.

I realize it's annoying and I'll try to edit less, but I never edit to win an argument manipulate or trick someone, only for things like clarity, grammar, spelling.

 

[kenny]

I see 3 things I now want to edit in my post, but I'm afraid, cowering in fear in the corner.

 

[panda08]

I haven't been posting much lately, and it is precisely because of all the negativity I feel when reading PS and not wanting to bore everyone with MORE negativity. (Well that and the fact that I really can't relate to many of the insipid, inane posts that are often started.)
I think that the moderation of PS is so constricting (more than before) and I find it frustrating not being able to say what I really want to say. I also find that there are posters in RT and CS who are helpful, but that often they are eclipsed by those who have ordained themselves experts in the field
Ksinger:
FWIW We haven't always shared the same POV and have had our differing opinions in ATW, but I have always enjoyed reading both what you have to say, and the clever way you always say it. I always learn something from you (whether I like it or not)

HUGE ditto. I'm not a prolific poster but have been around for over two years now. Of late, I've seen the moderator appear in so many more threads than before to reprimand folks for one thing or another. I don't care for an atmosphere where it feels like big brother is looming over all the time. I understand the need for moderation but it's suffocating, especially in threads where there's no drama but interesting and innocent posts, like one in LIW about inter-racial/inter faith couples.

 

[Dreamer_D]

ksinger I think you are a great gal and a great addition to PS and would not want you to leave. My metaphor was perhaps heavy handed, but I reacted to your use of the term "boring", which irks me, because it is a passive label people give to a situation or community that implies they play no role in creating the tone of the community that they are critiquing. Rather than commenting *on* a situation, I prefer to see people actively try to change it, if so motivated, or do things they do find interesting elsewhere if they so choose. Life is too short to participate in situations that we find boring. When we were kids we had to go along with our parents and do what they wanted, even if it was boring, but now we are adults and can do what we choose to do with our time. So my suggestion of doing something else was not intended to encourage you or anyone else to leave because you are unwelcome in a clique, but to suggest that people should only participate in activities they enjoy and not be bothered with boring things! It is a waste of precious time. You are not the only one who has used the term boring for PS in my recent memory, so I was not trying to single you out, though it may have seemed that way. Your point is clear, sorry to make you feel unwelcome. I would like to to stay and hang out and hopefully have fun, but if it really is boring here for you, then for god's sake, woman, do something you find more fun!

 

[Dreamer_D]

I haven't been posting much lately, and it is precisely because of all the negativity I feel when reading PS and not wanting to bore everyone with MORE negativity. (Well that and the fact that I really can't relate to many of the insipid, inane posts that are often started.)
I think that the moderation of PS is so constricting (more than before) and I find it frustrating not being able to say what I really want to say. I also find that there are posters in RT and CS who are helpful, but that often they are eclipsed by those who have ordained themselves experts in the field
Ksinger:
FWIW We haven't always shared the same POV and have had our differing opinions in ATW, but I have always enjoyed reading both what you have to say, and the clever way you always say it. I always learn something from you (whether I like it or not)

HUGE ditto. I'm not a prolific poster but have been around for over two years now. Of late, I've seen the moderator appear in so many more threads than before to reprimand folks for one thing or another. I don't care for an atmosphere where it feels like big brother is looming over all the time. I understand the need for moderation but it's suffocating, especially in threads where there's no drama but interesting and innocent posts, like one in LIW about inter-racial/inter faith couples.

Maybe we are all just breaking he rules more

 

[RedRobbin]

Red Robbin - at the bottom of the page there is a link to Forum Policy. It covers "Trade Members" which would be vendors.

Thank you. But I did that last night when the link DD posted wouldn't work for me. The link in that section doesn't work either. The article just isn't there anymore. Is it working for you?

 

[decodelighted]

JESUS!!!!!

*snip*

Trade Members

1. Members of the diamond and jewelry trade must identify themselves by specifying their personal and business names in their profiles.
2. This forum is, above all, a place for consumer assistance and education, not advertisement. If you are a member of the trade, please follow the following post content rules:
1. Post helpful advice. Here is an informative journal “A jeweler’s guide for how to get along with Pricescope” written by Neil Beaty.
2. Do not make blatant commercial posts, requests to visit your website, or solicit any other contact.
3. Do not use a promotional slogan in your signature. You should sign your posts with your name, credentials and company name.
4. Do not create fear-based doubts in consumers' minds in order to scare them into using your services.
5. Do not mention your products or services unless requested in the thread by a consumer.
6. Trade members must not promote nor condemn other businesses (unless there are evidences of misconduct or illegal practices).
7. Please refrain from commenting on other vendor products unless there is obvious misinformation.
8. No discounts, encouragements, or any other benefits to a consumer for their positive feedback are allowed for testimonials.
9. It will be the sole discretion of Pricescope and its moderators as to what constitutes an abuse of these rules. If you are not certain about the content of your post, please send a message to the moderator prior to publishing it.

 

[RedRobbin]

I haven't been posting much lately, and it is precisely because of all the negativity I feel when reading PS and not wanting to bore everyone with MORE negativity. (Well that and the fact that I really can't relate to many of the insipid, inane posts that are often started.)
I think that the moderation of PS is so constricting (more than before) and I find it frustrating not being able to say what I really want to say. I also find that there are posters in RT and CS who are helpful, but that often they are eclipsed by those who have ordained themselves experts in the field
Ksinger:
FWIW We haven't always shared the same POV and have had our differing opinions in ATW, but I have always enjoyed reading both what you have to say, and the clever way you always say it. I always learn something from you (whether I like it or not)

HUGE ditto. I'm not a prolific poster but have been around for over two years now. Of late, I've seen the moderator appear in so many more threads than before to reprimand folks for one thing or another. I don't care for an atmosphere where it feels like big brother is looming over all the time. I understand the need for moderation but it's suffocating, especially in threads where there's no drama but interesting and innocent posts, like one in LIW about inter-racial/inter faith couples.

I wish any questions about who runs and owns PriceScope wouldn't be moderated. It's a fair and primary question for a site that calls itself a "consumer advocacy" site. Why all the secrecy?

 

[RedRobbin]

JESUS!!!!!

*snip*

Trade Members

1. Members of the diamond and jewelry trade must identify themselves by specifying their personal and business names in their profiles.
2. This forum is, above all, a place for consumer assistance and education, not advertisement. If you are a member of the trade, please follow the following post content rules:
1. Post helpful advice. Here is an informative journal “A jeweler’s guide for how to get along with Pricescope” written by Neil Beaty.
2. Do not make blatant commercial posts, requests to visit your website, or solicit any other contact.
3. Do not use a promotional slogan in your signature. You should sign your posts with your name, credentials and company name.
4. Do not create fear-based doubts in consumers' minds in order to scare them into using your services.
5. Do not mention your products or services unless requested in the thread by a consumer.
6. Trade members must not promote nor condemn other businesses (unless there are evidences of misconduct or illegal practices).
7. Please refrain from commenting on other vendor products unless there is obvious misinformation.
8. No discounts, encouragements, or any other benefits to a consumer for their positive feedback are allowed for testimonials.
9. It will be the sole discretion of Pricescope and its moderators as to what constitutes an abuse of these rules. If you are not certain about the content of your post, please send a message to the moderator prior to publishing it.

Calllmmmm dowwwwnnnnn. LOL We are referring to the ARTICLE that Neil wrote regarding how vendors can get along on PS. The LINK to that ARTICLE isn't working.

 

[RedRobbin]

I haven't been posting much lately, and it is precisely because of all the negativity I feel when reading PS and not wanting to bore everyone with MORE negativity. (Well that and the fact that I really can't relate to many of the insipid, inane posts that are often started.)
I think that the moderation of PS is so constricting (more than before) and I find it frustrating not being able to say what I really want to say. I also find that there are posters in RT and CS who are helpful, but that often they are eclipsed by those who have ordained themselves experts in the field
Ksinger:
FWIW We haven't always shared the same POV and have had our differing opinions in ATW, but I have always enjoyed reading both what you have to say, and the clever way you always say it. I always learn something from you (whether I like it or not)

HUGE ditto. I'm not a prolific poster but have been around for over two years now. Of late, I've seen the moderator appear in so many more threads than before to reprimand folks for one thing or another. I don't care for an atmosphere where it feels like big brother is looming over all the time. I understand the need for moderation but it's suffocating, especially in threads where there's no drama but interesting and innocent posts, like one in LIW about inter-racial/inter faith couples.

Maybe we are all just breaking he rules more

Unspoken and otherwise.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Calllmmmm dowwwwnnnnn. LOL We are referring to the ARTICLE that Neil wrote regarding how vendors can get along on PS. The LINK to that ARTICLE isn't working.

https://www.pricescope.com/journal/jewelers_guide_how_get_along_pricescope

 

[zoebartlett]

I'm officially banging my head against the wall over here.

 

[onedrop]

I'm officially banging my head against the wall over here.

LOL. I am feeling much the same Zoe. Is it too early for happy hour? It IS 5 o'clock somewhere isn't it?

 

[zoebartlett]

I'm officially banging my head against the wall over here.

LOL. I am feeling much the same Zoe. Is it too early for happy hour? It IS 5 o'clock somewhere isn't it?

Well, Kaleigh's serving drinks but I'm more of a dessert person. I'm having angel food cake as we "speak." Would you like a piece?

 

[lyra]

I'm officially banging my head against the wall over here.

A genuine giggle from me. Thanks Zoe, you brightened my day.

 

[Kaleigh]

Too early for drinks. Zoe may I please have a piece of cake. All this head banging is making me hungry for cake!!!!

 

[AGBF]

I admit that edit my posts - a lot.
No matter how much I try I just don't seem to really see what I wrote till it's posted.
Some of my threads will be edited many times.
I'm often mad that my 45-minute editing window is expired.

I realize it's annoying and I'll try to edit less, but I never edit to win an argument manipulate or trick someone, only for things like clarity, grammar, spelling.

What's this about editing? I edit, too. I edit for spelling, grammar, and dangling prepositions. Who dared to criticize editing? The person should be shot! In any civilized country, the person would be shot! If anyone tries to take my editing tools from me, he will have to pry them out of my cold, dead hand!

PS-If you want to see all the versions that a poster has written, there is software available for that. Pricescope could make use of that to keep people from hiding any versions of their postings. I have no objection to the world seeing 50 versions of my posting as I correct all my grammatical and spelling errors! Anyone who wishes to spend his time perusing my editing process is welcome to do so. He may learn some grammar in the process!

Deb/AGBF