Which diamond would you choose?

[whitewave]

If you do pursue the vs2, I would also ask if it has brown body tint, which I sort of feel like I see. While I like brown tint and have a diamond that is M color with brown body tint, this is definitely a deal breaker in a F color stone, IMO.

GIA doesn’t note body color under I think K color.

 

[amoline]

I know nothing about how Canada works in terms of customs and such, but I do know in the UK and Australia sometimes you end up getting hit for import twice or it's a lengthy and annoying process to get such fees refunded to you, so I'd just say make sure it's not one of those cases

 

[karylicious]

OP, since you asked why I wouldn’t choose #2 it’s because I don’t like spready 60/60 diamonds (generally speaking, as I wouldn’t rule them out). I prefer small tables and high crowns, swoon. I don’t prefer a 33 crown angle, though the 75% LGF is desirable for nice fat arrows.

I also think it could have clarity issues for a vs2 and I’m concerned about the crystals, as they are the grade setting issue for clarity. Are they black or white crystals? Some are on the table and in an over 2 carat stone, that might bug the tick out of you if you can see them. I’d have to see it to evaluate it more.

Plus, I am a fire and sparkle person over bright flashes. If you want to check out my IG, it’s yatcube. I have videos of my asscher, and the CBI sapphire stone. I’m not suggesting you get a superideal since it’s likely out of your budget though BG is having some Black Friday sales and I haven’t checked his website or WF... which btw, WF next category below ACA is I believe expert selection which includes stones that would have made ACA but since they have Fluor they didn’t, so it may very well be worth checking the expert selection there.

Alright, you now have a new follower
I don’t know of the crystals are black or white, I guess I’ll have to see this live..

 

[Dreamer_D]

Let's all be clear than when we Canadians talk about picking things up in the US to "save" money we are talking about committing fraud by smuggling the goods back into Canada! I'm not saying you should or shouldn't do it, but I do think we should be honest about what we are talking about! By law, you are supposed to declare purchases and pay the taxes when you cross the border. Just saying this so the OP knows what they are doing.

Also, IMO body tint in an E color stone is nothing to worry about.

I have not seen them live as they are in JA but the people there I’ve written to seen to think the Si might be a bit cloudy because of the spots on the crown, whereas the Vs, they say it is gorgeous. But the Vs has Fluo..

I don't know the ins and outs of fluo, but I think at Med with a VS it is typically not an issue. But that is why you will take it to a local independent appraiser, right? And I suggest doing it in the US with an independent appraiser so you can return right away if needed. Your Canadian jeweler has a vested interest in you NOT buying a diamond elsewhere. YOu need the opinion of someone who does not personally sell diamonds.

 

[karylicious]

Let's all be clear than when we Canadians talk about picking things up in the US to "save" money we are talking about committing fraud by smuggling the goods back into Canada! I'm not saying you should or shouldn't do it, but I do think we should be honest about what we are talking about! By law, you are supposed to declare purchases and pay the taxes when you cross the border. Just saying this so the OP knows what they are doing.

Also, IMO body tint in an E color stone is nothing to worry about.



I don't know the ins and outs of fluo, but I think at Med with a VS it is typically not an issue. But that is why you will take it to a local independent appraiser, right? And I suggest doing it in the US with an independent appraiser so you can return right away if needed. Your Canadian jeweler has a vested interest in you NOT buying a diamond elsewhere. YOu need the opinion of someone who does not personally sell diamonds.

So it is clear, I save taxes on the diamond by having it shipped, like all the people who would buy it online (USA) , but I do declare my goods coming back home

 

[whitewave]

Alright, you now have a new follower
I don’t know of the crystals are black or white, I guess I’ll have to see this live..

Also, the depth is 62.6 and I pretty much for me draw the line at 61.9 because even if it is a small amount, you are paying for stone you can’t see (says the woman who bought an asscher lol).

Brown body color is very much seen as a negative in the trade. Victor Canera has an informative article about it. I’ll see if I can find it.

If you like it (many do) and like Fluor you also like it for the discount, then it’s a win-win if you think you won’t want to trade or sell it at some point.

It is something you should be aware of before purchasing.

 

[whitewave]

I could be wrong about the slight brown undertone, but I feel like I have an eye for it.

Victor Canera

www.victorcanera.com

 

[TODiamonds]

It's an E for Christ sake... there will be no brown undertone.

 

[whitewave]

Alright, you now have a new follower
I don’t know of the crystals are black or white, I guess I’ll have to see this live..

I can’t tell on the video if I’m seeing dirt or crystal. If you buy it and you see it right away, then send it back lol, as it will likely only get worse.

 

[whitewave]

It's an E for Christ sake... there will be no brown undertone.

Once again INCORRECT INFORMATION.

Edited: ask about this particular diamond and if it has brown undertones, but body color IS A ISSUE with the mines that are left and any diamond can have body tone, even a D.

 

[karylicious]

I can’t tell on the video if I’m seeing dirt or crystal. If you buy it and you see it right away, then send it back lol, as it will likely only get worse.

What can get worse?

 

[whitewave]

Again, I tend to like the brown body color, but it is something you should know if your stone has before you buy.

 

[amoline]

What can get worse?

Not to speak for Whitewave, but I'm quite sure what is meant is that you noticing something will only get worse - as in, it will only bug you more significantly over time if you already noticed something right away.

 

[whitewave]

Well, it depends on how obesessive you can be lol but if it bothers you in the beginning, your eye will train itself to find it every time you look at it. Personally, I can tolerate a lot of clarity issues but many many people can’t.

So with the 29 day return policy (I learned the hard way with BN that it has to be back with them on day 30, not sent out on day 30) if you find yourself focusing on them, it might get worse the longer you have it.

@cflutist what do you think of the clarity plot on the VS2 choice?

 

[chamois]

Let's all be clear than when we Canadians talk about picking things up in the US to "save" money we are talking about committing fraud by smuggling the goods back into Canada! I'm not saying you should or shouldn't do it, but I do think we should be honest about what we are talking about! By law, you are supposed to declare purchases and pay the taxes when you cross the border. Just saying this so the OP knows what they are doing.

Also, IMO body tint in an E color stone is nothing to worry about.



I don't know the ins and outs of fluo, but I think at Med with a VS it is typically not an issue. But that is why you will take it to a local independent appraiser, right? And I suggest doing it in the US with an independent appraiser so you can return right away if needed. Your Canadian jeweler has a vested interest in you NOT buying a diamond elsewhere. YOu need the opinion of someone who does not personally sell diamonds.

This was going through my mind re declaring the stone when coming across the border into Canada, I am in Canada too.

 

[Dreamer_D]

So it is clear, I save taxes on the diamond by having it shipped, like all the people who would buy it online (USA) , but I do declare my goods coming back home

lol... Gotcha! In that case, just food for thought, you can have JA ship it right to you. They collect Canadian taxes for you and they also pay return shipping via courier if you needed to do that, including all the insurance. They also refund the Canadian taxes upon the return. I used this service recently and it was very easy. Just food for thought! I also understand wanting to pick it up in person, I have done it many times.

 

[karylicious]

This was going through my mind re declaring the stone when coming across the border into Canada, I am in Canada too.

Of course it will be done, i need to have the ring insured,and I want everything in order to do so

 

[karylicious]

lol... Gotcha! In that case, just food for thought, you can have JA ship it right to you. They collect Canadian taxes for you and they also pay return shipping via courier if you needed to do that, including all the insurance. They also refund the Canadian taxes upon the return. I used this service recently and it was very easy. Just food for thought! I also understand wanting to pick it up in person, I have done it many times.

Nope. If I do this, I need to pay taxes on the diamond ( Us and Cad) whereas not the Us taxes if shipped in the Us. That saves me a lot of money

 

[chamois]

So it is clear, I save taxes on the diamond by having it shipped, like all the people who would buy it online (USA) , but I do declare my goods coming back home

You will still have to pay taxes (pst & gst, or combined taxes, depending on which province you live in) on the value declared for the stone.

 

[karylicious]

You will still have to pay taxes (pst & gst, or combined taxes, depending on which province you live in) on the value declared for the stone.

Yes, but I will Only pay taxes on the diamond, not the diamond plus Us taxes as if I would buy in a store

 

[chamois]

Yes, but I will Only pay taxes on the diamond, not the diamond plus Us taxes as if I would buy in a store

Keep in mind the exchange rate too for the declared value for tax purposes.

 

[karylicious]

Keep in mind the exchange rate too for the declared value for tax purposes.

It’s on a Canadian credit card..

 

[whitewave]

I’m having a terrible time looking for a 8.2mm F color for 22k.

Did you put that VS2 on hold?

 

[karylicious]

I’m having a terrible time looking for a 8.2mm F color for 22k.

Did you put that VS2 on hold?

Yes, it is out of the country so it will take 4 days to get here, they have to send it to the gemologist and then, one more day to get to me..

 

[whitewave]

Talk to me about F color. Does that match the ring you have? Although I did a cursory search of Gs and nothing stood out but I also didn’t do a deep dive...

 

[karylicious]

Talk to me about F color. Does that match the ring you have? Although I did a cursory search of Gs and nothing stood out but I also didn’t do a deep dive...

I have F Vs in my ring

 

[whitewave]

ok, I assumed.

Also be aware that lately, JA hasn’t been great about keeping up with ship by dates, especially during a sale. The last I read they were hiring more people to help with that.

I would add a week to the dates in your head. If it ships on time, fabulous, and if not you won’t be disappointed.

 

[whitewave]

Is this the image from JA for the VS2?

 

[karylicious]

Is this the image from JA for the VS2?

Yes

 

[whitewave]

@yssie @cflutist @rockysalamander image above