karylicious
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Neither, may we help you find something?
The second one (VS) has a low crown angle.
Remember HCA is an accept/reject tool and promises nothing, just helps weed out potential bad performance stones. There are so many subtleties to diamond cutting that affect final optics. But the HCA on the 60/60 is promising and the price is significantly lower than a CBI of the color clarity and carat (>36k). It will not look the same but may still wow you? As long as you have a return window you may not have anything to lose. You should also make sure the stone will not be too big for your setting.
I have 30 day return policy with JA. I have never seen a fluo stone so this could be a deciding factor for me
@TODiamonds and @karylicious: TOD‘s comments here are unhelpful. Saying the fire in a 60/60 stone will be “fine” without seeing it in person is both incorrect and unhelpful. Kary: if you are interested in understanding ideal diamond proportions you can either go through old threads and read, or you can look at the certificates for Whiteflash ACA diamonds and HPD CBI diamonds to get an idea of what is currently considered the ideal ratio (all relating back to the original Tolkowski numbers). TOD is right about complementary angles and there really are beautiful stones out there with non ideal angles but you have to ask yourself what kind of risk you are willing to take to get a big beautiful diamond. You can also look through education materials here in PS. You can also plug angles into the HCA here in PS. After using it 3 times you need to pay a small subscription fee, it is worth it if you are buying from sites that have many shapes of round diamonds. The HCA is only for modern rounds, not fancy cuts or antique cuts. And, no one here is brainwashed; the folks who post who have thousands of posts probably know more than newer posters. And the diamond collectors here tend to like a certain flavor of fiery reflections without light leakage that you are less likely to get with a flatter and deeper stone that will mostly look white (brilliant). It is all preference. Even some stones with ideal basic angles will not have that fire because of subtle differences in other angles. That is why a lot of people go straight to ideal vendors, but it is not necessary as long as you can get good images.
Yes, and it’s why I asked if she has seen them in person.
This is a big purchase, and I’m sure OP wants to make the best choice possible. I think JA has a decent return policy, so that will help.
I just got here from last nice, so have to read up....
Also, her question was which would I choose, and since she asked, I would choose neither.
As for TOD’s dig about superideals, he has never seen one. He has 165 posts and so please remember he isn’t experienced with diamonds.
Call JA. Ask them to have their gemologist in NY review it and report whether it's 1) eye clean 2) exhibits any milky or haziness. It should take them a couple of days because they have to send the stone to their lab to inspect. Once you get that confirmation you're good to go. Medium is unlikely to cause milkiness but when you're spending this much you should check all the boxes. Then when you get it in person take it outside on a sunny day to confirm no milkiness while you've got the return period.
Well done. You just saved yourself $16k by doing the work yourself instead of outsourcing to CBI.
How do you know I've never seen a "super ideal" in person? Do I know you in person? Based on my post count? Thanks again for proving my point about what's wrong with PS. You're a shining example.
I asked about his and I would take more time to get it there and send it to me. As a am Canadian, and I’m going to the Us next week, it would be faster and easier for me to get the stone, and have a jeweller look at it? If not, i won’t be able to get it in time. And since I have a 30 window to return, would it be wiser to to it this way?
Would we see the haziness on the video?
I asked about his and I would take more time to get it there and send it to me. As a am Canadian, and I’m going to the Us next week, it would be faster and easier for me to get the stone, and have a jeweller look at it? If not, i won’t be able to get it in time. And since I have a 30 window to return, would it be wiser to to it this way?
Would we see the haziness on the video?
Yes you could do that - if you do that then you have an opportunity to save on the tax (depending on what state you pick it up in).
Haziness is hard to detect on video unless it's a really bad case.
Oh, if you are Canadian, I would recommend calling Martin at USAcertifieddiamonds.com as he is in Toronto and is a recommended vendor. He doesn’t do settings, which is great since you already have one and he is in Toronto and is known to be a rock bottom price guy. I highly recommend you contact him.
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Because you used the word brainwashed. You VERY CLEARLY have not seen a CBI, BG or ACA.
Just to be clear, those are simply branded diamonds. What you guys refer to as "super ideal" is just a marketing term conjured up by the super-ideal marketing departments at the branded companies.
"Super Ideal" is not recognized by people in the industry or trade. It is not a real standard. All it means is a diamond with well cut proportions with good light transmission. There are tons of "super ideals" out there, you can find them from many different vendors.
I am concerned about an SI stone with inclusions under the table. Have you confirmed both are eye clean to your standards?
To most people these diamonds will look identical. Depending how you like to view them, how closely you like to look at the patterning, they will look a bit different. I think you can see how the arrows look different between the two stones, which is a function of their slightly different proportions. Whether you will prefer one over the other, we can't say.
I also think for most people, GIA XXX is all they need to know about cut quality. Whether you want to geek out on the numbers and get something cut to a particular set of parameters or not, well, that is your choice. But I don't think it makes a huge difference to the appearance of the diamond on a daily basis and in regular daily wear.
I asked about his and I would take more time to get it there and send it to me. As a am Canadian, and I’m going to the Us next week, it would be faster and easier for me to get the stone, and have a jeweller look at it? If not, i won’t be able to get it in time. And since I have a 30 window to return, would it be wiser to to it this way?
Would we see the haziness on the video?