Where to find Lower colored Ideal cut rounds

[mvd425]

So I am becoming interested in some of the warmer colored diamonds and am wondering where to find them, especially excellently cut ones. I am trying to get educated for my future engagement ring and am open minded about color. I would like a larger stone (2ct) that is ideally cut. I have searched various vendor's sites and it seems like these are hard to come by. I am not really set on a certain color, just something that is beautifully brilliant. Can you find modern cuts in these lower colors, without having to pay a "fancy premium", or would an old cut be just as brilliant? Any advice appreciated.

I should specify lower than K** (they seem to be easy to find)

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I wouldn't go lower than K in a modern round brilliant. The brightness diminishes with lower colors and I really think below J-K will look visibly tinted. I do think it is easier to go lower in color with antique stones, however. I have seen lower color ideal cuts, but I imagine the extra labor involved in precision cutting is more often used for higher colors.

You might want to consider stones with fluorescence which sometimes may reduce price and give a little color boost as well if you go with an ideal cut round brilliant. Brian Gavin has a pretty nice prospect for you right now:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.018-k-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104063998022

 

[mvd425]

I wouldn't go lower than K in a modern round brilliant. The brightness diminishes with lower colors and I really think below J-K will look visibly tinted. I do think it is easier to go lower in color with antique stones, however. I have seen lower color ideal cuts, but I imagine the extra labor involved in precision cutting is more often used for higher colors.

You might want to consider stones with fluorescence which sometimes may reduce price and give a little color boost as well if you go with an ideal cut round brilliant. Brian Gavin has a pretty nice prospect for you right now:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.018-k-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104063998022

Awesome, thanks for the advice. Where can one generally find these antique stones? And how do the antique cuts compare to the modern cuts in light return?

Also, are Brian Gavin signature diamonds a lot better than an excellent HCA scoring diamond? When I do a price scope search for a similar diamond as the one you posted,(HCA less than two, j-k color, SI1-2, medium fluorescence, GIA scored) it's about $3K less. What gives?

 

[Rockdiamond]

HI Mvd,
In general, "ideal cut" is designed to maximize the white light return.
For this reason, there's a disparity on "face up" comparing an ideal cut RBC of say, N color, to a radiant or cushion which can be modified like a fancy color to get more yellow light out the top. The radiant or cushion can look quite tinted, the ideal cut mostly not ( except under some lighting conditions)
Still, there are cutters who do cut super ideals in lower colors, although this is not the "norm".
IMO they can be quite attractive.

 

[JulieN]

http://highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-infinity&id=924
http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/10489/

You have to reach out to the vendors and ask. It's not something someone is going to buy for inventory, it might stick around a really long time.

 

[mvd425]

http://highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-infinity&id=924
http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/10489/

You have to reach out to the vendors and ask. It's not something someone is going to buy for inventory, it might stick around a really long time.

Good to know. So would I be better off finding an antique cut? Are those as sparkly as RB?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I wouldn't go lower than K in a modern round brilliant. The brightness diminishes with lower colors and I really think below J-K will look visibly tinted. I do think it is easier to go lower in color with antique stones, however. I have seen lower color ideal cuts, but I imagine the extra labor involved in precision cutting is more often used for higher colors.

You might want to consider stones with fluorescence which sometimes may reduce price and give a little color boost as well if you go with an ideal cut round brilliant. Brian Gavin has a pretty nice prospect for you right now:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.018-k-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104063998022

Awesome, thanks for the advice. Where can one generally find these antique stones? And how do the antique cuts compare to the modern cuts in light return?

Also, are Brian Gavin signature diamonds a lot better than an excellent HCA scoring diamond? When I do a price scope search for a similar diamond as the one you posted,(HCA less than two, j-k color, SI1-2, medium fluorescence, GIA scored) it's about $3K less. What gives?

Brian Gavin stones are top cut quality, as in hearts and arrows precision cut. You probably can't tell the difference in most AGS Ideal cuts and a hearts and arrows stone visually, but it IS important to be able to see an idealscope image on stones that are not top cut quality to be sure they have little to no leakage. Also, pricing differences have to with whether the vendor offers the images of the stones as well as a liberal upgrade policy, etc. The lowest priced stones will usually not have those extras.

Most antique stones will not have the ideal light return of these ideal cut rounds. The exception would be Good Old Gold's August Vintage rounds which are newly cut Old European rounds cut for ideal light performance (but they will be priced like signature stones because they are a specialty cut). True antique stones will vary widely as to how they perform because they were not cut to the ideal specs we have now.

Sources for antique round stones (aside from antique shops and ebay, which can be dangerous unless you have a lot of knowledge about old cuts):

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamondResults.php?shape=16777216&resultsColumns=402653199

http://oldworlddiamonds.com/

http://jewelsbyericagrace.com/

And occasionally there are antique and new stones on the Preloved part of this forum.

 

[Karl_K]

I love mno colored ideal cut diamonds.
They have a nice creamy color, not exactly yellow but not exactly white either.
This is one case where tint can make a big difference an N brown is going to look totally different than an N yellow.
I like the yellow in this range
To me they are kinda just right if im not going to get a colorless/near colorless.
I don't recommended vendors very often but if it was me id consider having Wink contact Paul and have one cut.
http://highperformancediamonds.com/
It will not be the cheapest but the cutting would be superb.

 

[SB621]

charmy wrote a great thread about the differences with cushion cuts that are antique then modern cushions. Many of the vendors still apply even though you are looking at RB's, OEC's Trannys etc.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/cushion-101-my-experience-in-making-a-harry-winston-halo.183473/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/cushion-101-my-experience-in-making-a-harry-winston-halo.183473/[/URL]

For my .02cents I don't like Modern RB's in anything below G/H. I'm not a fan of seeing the tint at all. However, if you are going with true antique diamonds something like an OEC, Tranny or OMB then I think you can go much lower as half the charm of an antique is the coloring.

 

[PintoBean]

Have you seen this thread?
https://www.pricescope.com/communit...ed-customer-big-thumbs-up-to-yekutiel.166072/

Idj helped to find a lovely warm stone.

 

[PintoBean]

Have you seen this thread?
https://www.pricescope.com/communit...ed-customer-big-thumbs-up-to-yekutiel.166072/

Idj helped to find a lovely warm stone.

 

[SandyCheeks]

I have an N color RB. It's not super ideal or even triple excellent, but I love it! I'd trade color for size any day. My ER is from IDJEWELRY the 5 stone is second hand also from IDJ. The diamonds on the 5 stone are O/P. I believe you need to see stones in that color range in person, but my vote is IDJ. However I think all the vendors already suggested would be good sources to be the eyes for you. Let us know what you get!

 

[ariel144]

http://highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-infinity&id=924
http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/10489/

You have to reach out to the vendors and ask. It's not something someone is going to buy for inventory, it might stick around a really long time.

Good to know. So would I be better off finding an antique cut? Are those as sparkly as RB?

The GOG August Vintage Rounds are awesome performers and come n the lower colors. You can search under "show me the bling" for AVR's and AVC (cushions) that are in the lower colors and are just wonderfully cut diamonds.

You can also go to www.goodoldgold.com and watch their great educational videos where they compare the different types of rounds...MRB, AVR's, H& A rounds so you can determine which faceting is appealing to you. Personally i've never been a fan of MRB but I love these old chunky cut diamonds. You can find them in an antique stone as well but it is hit and miss as far as performance but Old World Diamonds, JewelsbyEricaGrace.com are two vendors that do a good job in finding the antiques. GOG sources antique stones as well.

If you want round you would look for and Old European Cut (OEC)

Lower color AVR:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9581/

Here's a well cut/performing antique OEC...take a look at that Megascope rating...nice price too...big bonus...med. blue fl...lovely:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9842/

Here is an old cut with med. bl. fl....hubba bubba is right:

http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Rings-Antique-Vintage/356ct-Loose-Old-European-Cut/19804036_Qxwpx5#!i=1556511305&k=CmXtKxG