Admitedly, the 4.21 would be easier to identify for an individual grader, but don''t discount the amount of $$ to be made by giving just one upgrade a day E-VV1 to D-IF to a 1 carater, in your example. 10% of that little scenario puts an easy $500 a day into someones pocket.
Brett the bigger issue with your stone is that the stone might be graded of a little, which is hardly a train smash. An appraiser can help you there and give you peace of mind. There are some good ones listed under Tools in the upper right top tool bar.
Garry, can you elaborate a bit more on this?
I am talking about simple inconsistancy rather than any deliberate change in policy.
Good that you added "allegedly"...
Garry..., dont pick up your hands...Date: 3/27/2008 9:03:01 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Update on Chaim Evan-Zohar''s latest story
http://www.idexonline.com/portal_FullEditorial.asp
Chaim kept mostly off the GIA topic of this Memo till the last paragrapgh
The article:
''The annual report on Money Laundering and Financial Crimes is a legislatively mandated section of the U.S. Department of State’s annual International Narcotics Control Strategy Report (INCSR). It represents an enormous effort and is based upon the contributions of numerous U.S. Government agencies and international sources. However, the principal contributor is the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), which has also issued the Jewelry Rule, requiring the U.S. diamond and jewelry business to adopt AML/CFT compliance programs.''
America has not had a great track record in foreign policy, and now they seem to have spent a lot of time an money investigating the rest of the world. Perhaps there are people associated with this department who could take a look in their own back yard. If they really wanted to - but maybe they do not?
A side note - I thought the Lebanese referred to and linked to Hezbolah - involved in the African diamond world were Druze (spelling?) and as I understood they are not a mainstream muslim org or religion.
Of course I am a long way away from that world, but connecting the Druze to Hesbolah seems a long bow? I thought the US sleuths had learned their lesson about making stretched claims?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze down near the bottom states
''Israeli Druze have achieved high positions of command in the Israeli military, far beyond their proportion in the general population of Israel. In the 2006 Lebanon War the all-Druze Herev [sword] Battalion, through their knowledge of the Lebanese terrain, suffered no casualties and claim to have killed 20 Hezbollah fighters, triggering suggestions that the battalion be transformed into a sayeret (elite unit).[29] In 1996 Azzam Azzam, a Druze Israeli businessman, was accused by Egypt of spying for Israel and was imprisoned for eight years, an accusation denied by the Israeli government.''
Anyway, it seems that the gIA issue is going to wander along until it is all past the statute of limitations. Very sad for the people who claim to have been put out of business competing with bribers. The claims should be tested by the law.
But I am a bit confused with your Druze-Hezbolah example....Date: 3/27/2008 9:03:01 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Update on Chaim Evan-Zohar''s latest story
http://www.idexonline.com/portal_FullEditorial.asp
Chaim kept mostly off the GIA topic of this Memo till the last paragrapgh
The article:
''The annual report on Money Laundering and Financial Crimes is a legislatively mandated section of the U.S. Department of State’s annual International Narcotics Control Strategy Report (INCSR). It represents an enormous effort and is based upon the contributions of numerous U.S. Government agencies and international sources. However, the principal contributor is the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), which has also issued the Jewelry Rule, requiring the U.S. diamond and jewelry business to adopt AML/CFT compliance programs.''
America has not had a great track record in foreign policy, and now they seem to have spent a lot of time an money investigating the rest of the world. Perhaps there are people associated with this department who could take a look in their own back yard. If they really wanted to - but maybe they do not?
A side note - I thought the Lebanese referred to and linked to Hezbolah - involved in the African diamond world were Druze (spelling?) and as I understood they are not a mainstream muslim org or religion.
Of course I am a long way away from that world, but connecting the Druze to Hesbolah seems a long bow? I thought the US sleuths had learned their lesson about making stretched claims?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze down near the bottom states
''Israeli Druze have achieved high positions of command in the Israeli military, far beyond their proportion in the general population of Israel. In the 2006 Lebanon War the all-Druze Herev [sword] Battalion, through their knowledge of the Lebanese terrain, suffered no casualties and claim to have killed 20 Hezbollah fighters, triggering suggestions that the battalion be transformed into a sayeret (elite unit).[29] In 1996 Azzam Azzam, a Druze Israeli businessman, was accused by Egypt of spying for Israel and was imprisoned for eight years, an accusation denied by the Israeli government.''
Anyway, it seems that the gIA issue is going to wander along until it is all past the statute of limitations. Very sad for the people who claim to have been put out of business competing with bribers. The claims should be tested by the law.
Date: 3/28/2008 11:46:48 AM
Author: DiaGem
But I am a bit confused with your Druze-Hezbolah example....Date: 3/27/2008 9:03:01 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Update on Chaim Evan-Zohar''s latest story
http://www.idexonline.com/portal_FullEditorial.asp
Chaim kept mostly off the GIA topic of this Memo till the last paragrapgh
The article:
''The annual report on Money Laundering and Financial Crimes is a legislatively mandated section of the U.S. Department of State’s annual International Narcotics Control Strategy Report (INCSR). It represents an enormous effort and is based upon the contributions of numerous U.S. Government agencies and international sources. However, the principal contributor is the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), which has also issued the Jewelry Rule, requiring the U.S. diamond and jewelry business to adopt AML/CFT compliance programs.''
America has not had a great track record in foreign policy, and now they seem to have spent a lot of time an money investigating the rest of the world. Perhaps there are people associated with this department who could take a look in their own back yard. If they really wanted to - but maybe they do not?
A side note - I thought the Lebanese referred to and linked to Hezbolah - involved in the African diamond world were Druze (spelling?) and as I understood they are not a mainstream muslim org or religion.
Of course I am a long way away from that world, but connecting the Druze to Hesbolah seems a long bow? I thought the US sleuths had learned their lesson about making stretched claims?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze down near the bottom states
''Israeli Druze have achieved high positions of command in the Israeli military, far beyond their proportion in the general population of Israel. In the 2006 Lebanon War the all-Druze Herev [sword] Battalion, through their knowledge of the Lebanese terrain, suffered no casualties and claim to have killed 20 Hezbollah fighters, triggering suggestions that the battalion be transformed into a sayeret (elite unit).[29] In 1996 Azzam Azzam, a Druze Israeli businessman, was accused by Egypt of spying for Israel and was imprisoned for eight years, an accusation denied by the Israeli government.''
Anyway, it seems that the gIA issue is going to wander along until it is all past the statute of limitations. Very sad for the people who claim to have been put out of business competing with bribers. The claims should be tested by the law.
What was confusing DG?
This is a quote from Chaim''s article quoting the report from US govt with my highlight of the claim:
“Lebanon has a large expatriate community throughout the Middle East, Africa and parts of Latin America. They often work as brokers and traders. Many Lebanese ‘import-export’ concerns are found in free trade zones. Many of these Lebanese brokers network via family ties and are involved with underground finance and trade-based money laundering. Informal remittances and value transfer in the form of trade goods add substantially to the remittance flows from expatriates via official banking,†says the report to Congress.
“Expatriate Lebanese brokers are actively involved in the smuggling and laundering of diamonds in Africa. There are also reports that many in the Lebanese expatriate business community willingly or unwillingly give ‘charitable donations’ to representatives of Hezbollah (which is based in Lebanon). The funds are then repatriated or laundered back to Lebanon.â€
I guess you dug deeper..., as I didnt notice the Druze connotation...:}Date: 3/28/2008 4:48:53 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Date: 3/28/2008 11:46:48 AM
Author: DiaGem
But I am a bit confused with your Druze-Hezbolah example....
What was confusing DG?
This is a quote from Chaim''s article quoting the report from US govt with my highlight of the claim:
“Lebanon has a large expatriate community throughout the Middle East, Africa and parts of Latin America. They often work as brokers and traders. Many Lebanese ‘import-export’ concerns are found in free trade zones. Many of these Lebanese brokers network via family ties and are involved with underground finance and trade-based money laundering. Informal remittances and value transfer in the form of trade goods add substantially to the remittance flows from expatriates via official banking,†says the report to Congress.
“Expatriate Lebanese brokers are actively involved in the smuggling and laundering of diamonds in Africa. There are also reports that many in the Lebanese expatriate business community willingly or unwillingly give ‘charitable donations’ to representatives of Hezbollah (which is based in Lebanon). The funds are then repatriated or laundered back to Lebanon.â€
As a consumer I am more than thankful the problem occurred way before my stone was purchased and that Tiffany''s doesn''t use GIA anymore.
I hope some other Lab''s view an opportunity in the above highlighted line to get their act together and try to fill in that gap!
With all due respect, I don't understand the point you are trying to make, because what you illustrate doesn't prove your point; not to be picky, but it might be a misleading statement.
http://www.adamasgem.org/pdfs/giawhine.pdf for complete text
From their thinly veiled protests, it almost appears that they might be trying to hide something.Date: 4/2/2008 6:39:08 PM
Author: DiaGem
I guess it did tickle their fancy...
Does the GIA feel it needs to explain itself???
Thats a new one!
When the prosecutor sits on his arse with it, and doesn't bring action, I believe no one is under any obligation to shut up, especially aggrieved parties. Any lawyer out there can correct me if I'm wrong.
Why bad?
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