What''s Growing in PSer''s Garden

[mochi]

It''s been drizzling all day today, but I managed to get a few pictures of what is blooming....

 

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A few hydrangeas...love the different colors.

 

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Hydrangea, brugs, passion vine

 

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My huge desert rose.....

 

[LostSapphire]

I''m getting ready to split some of these...anybody want some?

LS

 

[packrat]

I do I do!

 

[mochi]

Those are so pretty, LS!! Iris, unfortunately, doesn''t do well in zone 8b/9.

 

[bebe]

oh Mochi I love the hydrangea pics. I broke down and bought 2 small shrubs and stuck them in urns on my secondary front entrance porch. I seriously doubt they will do well in that location - but I just had to have me some ''drangea''s !!!

Lost Sapphire, my Iris''s are a mess, they really need dividing. It''s getting hot and sticky here, so that kind of work I just ignore, tee hee!!

 

[Gailey]

Date: 5/18/2009 7:43:47 PM
Author: LostSapphire
I''m getting ready to split some of these...anybody want some?

LS

I''ve been away all weekend at Emerald Lake Lodge, so I''ve got some reading to catch up on.

But I just wanted to say - LOST - DON''T DO IT!!!! at least not yet unless you absolutely have to. It''s always best to split German Iris in the Fall, late August, early September. So unless you need the space for something really pretty, don''t do it!!

XX

 

[Gailey]

Date: 5/16/2009 4:30:05 AM
Author: Phoenix

I LOOOOOVE all the PSers'' gardens and flowers and a wee bit jealous too!

I love flowers but just cannot grow them for some reason. I grow edible herbs but just cannot grow flowers!

The one in the picture is my fave.

Course you can Phoenix, growing flowers is easy-peasy, just give us a bit more info and we''ll help you out.

Do you know what zone you are in? If not, where do you live?
What does your garden look like, post a picture of where you would like some flowers. How much sun does the area get? What have you noticed in areas around you that grows well?

If all else fails, you can always pop some geraniums in a pot.

There''s always something that will grow no matter where it is. Just a matter of matching the right plant to the right spot!

 

[Gailey]

Date: 5/16/2009 5:21:02 PM
Author: Little Monster
Everyone''s flowers are absolutely gorgeous!! I am very jealous!

I wanted to ask for help ID''ing a kind of flower that just came up at our new house (it''s our 1st spring here & I have no idea what these flowers are as I didn''t plant them... I''m sure they''re something common, but I know next to nothing about plants!

Also: does anyone know of a variety of lilac that doesn''t grow quite so big? We used to have these at our old house but they got really huge... any shorter/smaller versions?

Thanks for your help & again... your gardens are amazing!

Hey LM, lovely picture. As Mochi quite rightly says they are Iris germanica. Here''s an article about growing and caring for them

As to a small variety of lilac, I have http://Syringa meyeri "Palabin". I planted it to appease my condo board. It''s not that I don''t like lilac, I do, but I have limited space for full sun loving plants. I think this puppy will grow to about 1.5m x 1.5m. I keep mine way smaller than that by a really hard prune immediately after it flowers. That way, it still has enough time to push out new growth for the flowers to appear on the following year. Here''s a link to other dwarf lilacs

Mochi is also correct when she says they don''t grow above a zone 7-8 or so. Although there are some varieties that will grow in zone 9 or maybe even a 10. Here''s a Lilac zone map. This is because lilac needs a stratification period (cold winter).

For lilac lovers, Select Plus Lilac Nursery is "the" website to visit.

My absolute favourite (non-suckering, fantastic scent) is Beauty of Moscow

 

[Gailey]

Date: 5/17/2009 10:55:33 AM
Author: Loves Vintage
Gailey,

Thank you so much for your advice! I checked my local library and they have two of the books you posted, so I will pick them up this week.

I love the idea of English Bluebells! I am still exploring the idea of planting natives though. I found Campanula rotundifolia http://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=CARO2, but it does not look like it would be nearly as striking.

Thanks so much for the link to Connecticut Botanical Society''s list of Native Plants. I want to research growing: Showy Lady''s Slipper. There''s a site in Vermont that sells them, but they are already sold out, so I need to see if I can find it elsewhere.

There has been a lot more green popping up near the stream. I''m hoping these plants will produce some wildflowers, but will have to wait and see. (Did I mention this is our first year in this home, so I have no idea what to expect?)

You are absolutely right about the spring light too. I didn''t realize that we would have so much growing so early because the trees didn''t have their leaves yet.

Thank you again for your help!!

LV,

I think I also have campanula rotunifolia. I''ll take a picture of it when it comes up to be sure. There''s no way it can compete with English bluebells for impact. It''s very delicate and doesn''t seem to spread and naturalise well. So I think with 200ft to fill, you will need something a little more rampant. But be careful when looking at campanulas because there is one that is an absolute beast and will just take over your garden. Avoid at all costs: Campanula rapunculoides. It''s a highly invasive, very difficult to eradicate weed.

 

[Gailey]

Date: 5/17/2009 8:33:27 PM
Author: packrat
Little Monster, my parents have a row of lilacs they prune, so while they''re still large, they aren''t the gigantor lilac ''trees''. I''m not sure if they''re a special kind, or if the pruning is all that keeps them under control. Dad also has a row of specimen lilacs, and they don''t get huge. I''m not sure what zone you''re in, but your local Greenhouse should be able to help you. Love the iris-one of my favorite flowers!

Good advice from Packrat. One other thing to look for when purchasing a lilac if you don''t want it to spread is to avoid those that sucker. Definitely avoid any that say vulgaris in the label because they are varieties that have been bred from common lilac that suckers like crazy.

Now don''t quote me, but I believe that the Preston lilacs don''t sucker.

 

[Gailey]

Date: 5/18/2009 6:58:28 PM
Author: mochi

Date: 5/17/2009 6:37:50 AM
Author: Little Monster
Mochi: do the Boxers really ignore the manure once it has ''matured'' & on the flowerbeds? Somehow I imagine our dogs eating it, rolling in it, etc. no matter HOW long it has sat :p

Thanks so much for the ID... Iris... how simple! My only question is -- I haven''t found any pictures of Irises with 5-6 flowers per stalk... All the pictures I seem to have found have 1 flower each. Is it a specific variety?

Thanks again!!

Nope, they like to eat it... fresh or freeze dried, it doesn''t seem to matter to them. It''s way too gross!

I have a surrogate West Highland Terrier who loves to roll and roll, and roll in the damn stuff. She''s just delightful when she''s finished!

I layer mine with lawn clippings and dead leaves to make it all rot down faster. Once it''s fully composted it doesn''t have the same smell and she ignores it.

If you are all really good I will take some pictures of my Rolls Royce composter that Mr Gailey built for me last year!! If you think I am enthusiastic about plants, you wait till I start going on about my compost and my worms!!

 

[Gailey]

Date: 5/19/2009 9:14:33 AM
Author: bebe
oh Mochi I love the hydrangea pics. I broke down and bought 2 small shrubs and stuck them in urns on my secondary front entrance porch. I seriously doubt they will do well in that location - but I just had to have me some ''drangea''s !!!

Lost Sapphire, my Iris''s are a mess, they really need dividing. It''s getting hot and sticky here, so that kind of work I just ignore, tee hee!!

Hey Bebe, I love dividing irises, one of my favourite jobs, I''ll hop on over and do it for you if you lend me that rock of yours! Not that I''d wear it to do the job you understand. We have terrible trouble with squirrels digging up the new divisions though. Last year I built chicken wire cages for them and left them on all winter. Once they''ve taken hold and put down new roots, the squirrels lose interest!

 

[Gailey]

Mochi, as always your pictures are just inspirational and I love the rain pictures - keep em coming. Now that I''ve caught up, I''d better get out of bed and head out to work. I''ll take the camera with me today and see what''s worth a photo!

 

[Loves Vintage]

LS, Your porch/patio looks lovely as does your landscaping! Is that the front or back? When you do split your irises, will you split them into two plants or several? I don't believe I've ever successfully split an outside plant because I think I break them into too many smaller plants, hoping they will spread more quickly that way.

Gailey, Thank you for your continued advice. I should take a picture of my backyard for you. I have no idea what, if anything I should do with it. It is also well tree'd. Say, I have another question about the English bluebells. If they were to cover that area, how does one get all of the leaves out in the fall? We have some ground cover (that I can't remember the name of right now, very common, not hostas, but . . . ) and the leaves really sink into it. There's just no getting them out. I suppose the bluebells would be the same?

Oh, so I just searched for shade perrenials (trying to find the name of the groundcover mentionned above) and found my Lady's Slipper! http://www.whiteflowerfarm.com/27280-product.html Yikes at the price!!!! I actually think I ran into one on a hike this weekend. One, solo standing Lady's Slipper, far out in the woods! I'm driving distance from the White Flower Farm, may take a drive up there one of these coming weekends. Have you ever ordered from them? It's a beautiful place!!

I will look forward to your photos, Gailey! I hope you took many.

 

[LostSapphire]

Date: 5/19/2009 9:29:15 AM
Author: Gailey

Date: 5/18/2009 7:43:47 PM
Author: LostSapphire
I''m getting ready to split some of these...anybody want some?

LS

I''ve been away all weekend at Emerald Lake Lodge, so I''ve got some reading to catch up on.

But I just wanted to say - LOST - DON''T DO IT!!!! at least not yet unless you absolutely have to. It''s always best to split German Iris in the Fall, late August, early September. So unless you need the space for something really pretty, don''t do it!!

XX

HiYa Gailey.

I know what you mean about the rules for splitting iris...however, I''ve been splitting these clumps for about 8 years now...can almost do them any time without repurcussion for some reason!

The worst thing that happens is the new clump goes a bit limp in the new spot for a while.

LS

 

[Gailey]

Date: 5/19/2009 12:25:32 PM
Author: Loves Vintage
LS, Your porch/patio looks lovely as does your landscaping! Is that the front or back? When you do split your irises, will you split them into two plants or several? I don''t believe I''ve ever successfully split an outside plant because I think I break them into too many smaller plants, hoping they will spread more quickly that way.

Gailey, Thank you for your continued advice. I should take a picture of my backyard for you. I have no idea what, if anything I should do with it. It is also well tree''d. Say, I have another question about the English bluebells. If they were to cover that area, how does one get all of the leaves out in the fall? We have some ground cover (that I can''t remember the name of right now, very common, not hostas, but . . . ) and the leaves really sink into it. There''s just no getting them out. I suppose the bluebells would be the same?

Oh, so I just searched for shade perrenials (trying to find the name of the groundcover mentionned above) and found my Lady''s Slipper! http://www.whiteflowerfarm.com/27280-product.html Yikes at the price!!!! I actually think I ran into one on a hike this weekend. One, solo standing Lady''s Slipper, far out in the woods! I''m driving distance from the White Flower Farm, may take a drive up there one of these coming weekends. Have you ever ordered from them? It''s a beautiful place!!

I will look forward to your photos, Gailey! I hope you took many.

I should be out working, but it''s bitterly cold out there and really windy. I might just give it a miss today and head to the garden centre instead!

Ah, leaves - a subject close to my heart!! Now I must admit I certainly buck the landscaping Calgary ethos because apart from the lawn and roses, I don''t move any leaves off the garden. In fact, I generally heap them onto the beds. Last fall I happened to be home on the day the landscapers came into my complex to blow out all the beds. I raced over to where my composter is, loaded up the van with the finished compost I had made. Then I raced home and started piling the compost onto the all the leaves that I had put on the beds the previous day, so that the landscapers wouldn''t be able to blow them off!!

As for a semi-natural woodland garden I would never remove so much as a stalk, never mind a leaf! Leaves rot down naturally with the aid of fungi. They provide valuable food in the winter for soil dwelling creatures who happily turn them into garden gold dust - humus. Leaves are worth their weight in gold in the garden. I make sure I have a healthy stash of leaves that I''ve shredded in the fall to add to my compost with lawn clippings.

I''m not going to start going on about making compost unless anyone specifically knows about it because I have a tendency to go on and on about it and I don''t want to bore anyone.

One of my clients brought a Ladyslipper back from her cottage that she sold. I''m anxiously awaiting it''s arrival. They do seem to be exorbitantly expensive. I guess this means they are difficult to propogate. Fox Valley Nursery specialises in them. I haven''t had an extensive look, but there does seem to be a great variety.

 

[Gailey]

Date: 5/19/2009 1:13:37 PM
Author: LostSapphire

Date: 5/19/2009 9:29:15 AM
Author: Gailey

Date: 5/18/2009 7:43:47 PM
Author: LostSapphire
I''m getting ready to split some of these...anybody want some?

LS

I''ve been away all weekend at Emerald Lake Lodge, so I''ve got some reading to catch up on.

But I just wanted to say - LOST - DON''T DO IT!!!! at least not yet unless you absolutely have to. It''s always best to split German Iris in the Fall, late August, early September. So unless you need the space for something really pretty, don''t do it!!

XX

HiYa Gailey.

I know what you mean about the rules for splitting iris...however, I''ve been splitting these clumps for about 8 years now...can almost do them any time without repurcussion for some reason!

The worst thing that happens is the new clump goes a bit limp in the new spot for a while.

LS

Wow! you must have the magic touch. My Mum was the same. She would regularly move paeonies that were in full bloom.
Now where is that bowing down emotie? Do they still flower the same year that you split them?

 

[LostSapphire]

Date: 5/19/2009 1:22:24 PM
Author: Gailey

Date: 5/19/2009 1:13:37 PM
Author: LostSapphire

Date: 5/19/2009 9:29:15 AM
Author: Gailey

Date: 5/18/2009 7:43:47 PM
Author: LostSapphire
I''m getting ready to split some of these...anybody want some?

LS

I''ve been away all weekend at Emerald Lake Lodge, so I''ve got some reading to catch up on.

But I just wanted to say - LOST - DON''T DO IT!!!! at least not yet unless you absolutely have to. It''s always best to split German Iris in the Fall, late August, early September. So unless you need the space for something really pretty, don''t do it!!

XX

HiYa Gailey.

I know what you mean about the rules for splitting iris...however, I''ve been splitting these clumps for about 8 years now...can almost do them any time without repurcussion for some reason!

The worst thing that happens is the new clump goes a bit limp in the new spot for a while.

LS

Wow! you must have the magic touch. My Mum was the same. She would regularly move paeonies that were in full bloom.
Now where is that bowing down emotie? Do they still flower the same year that you split them?

I OFTEN transplant them at this time of year because I''m out there working in the garden more than later on in the summer.

If they''re transplanted in full bloom (or even now, in ''bud'') they''ll kind of go limp but often the bloom will be ok.

That would be the extent of my magic touch: but I have found with the soil conditions at our property (southern exposure with extremely hard clay) it has been trial and error to find things that will thrive. Then, once I''ve lucked out on something, I plant lots of it.

LS

 

[Loves Vintage]

Oh, it is great talking to you about this, Gailey! Right now, the area that leads up to the stream is lawn, so we did move the leaves from that side of the stream, but the area on the other side of the stream, that leads up to the road is untouched, except for some big fallen branches that I removed. I gather I should not be removing those either.

Once I tranform the area that is grass now, we will no longer remove the leaves. Mr. LV will be very happy to hear of this development. Actually, the leaves were all blown off of the grass into one huge pile that has some random woodsie-type, pricker-type bushes, so they are sitting there, waiting to decompose. I can only imagine what is living under there. Mr. LV found a lost salamander in our basement in the fall. I would imagine he and his buddies are living in that pile right now!

Feel free to tell us all you wish about composting. I picked up a composter for free from the last town I lived in. It was an Earth Day offering from the town. So nice. I had it going for about a year and did use some of the finished compost in my garden there. We put all of our grass clippings (dried first) in it, leaves, all veggie and fruit scraps, egg shells and used coffee grounds and liners. Sadly, the finished compost is still sitting there. I have a tenant renting there now, and I can only hope that she is maintaining my perrenials (full sun

).

What kind of composter do you use? Or, did you make your own?

 

[packrat]

Phoenix, if *I* can grow stuff, you can too! I wish I could post bigger pictures on here than the wee little ones..I want to show off *my* stuff too!

Really what I''d like to do is show off my parents yard..or what it used to look like when I still lived at home and helped w/yardwork, and before my parents discovered the Indian Casinos. They used to give tours and everything. Several times I''d go outside and there would be people wandering around the yard "Hope you don''t mind, but So and So from town was telling us about your yard and we just had to come see". My parents used to be SO into the flowers..dad had a container w/a lid and handle that held hanging files, and he''d cart that sucker everywhere-full of nursery catalogs and paperwork on what they had at the house. He had yellow legal pads that he''d use to draw up the bed plans..it was crazy. At one time they had about 1000 daffodils..actually more than that I think, not counting the rest of the place. A lot of father/daughter bonding doing the yardwork!

 

[Gailey]

Did someone just mention "Daffodil"

I thought I would post the "Daffodil Principle" that someone sent me as an e-mail a few years ago. It''s just a wonderful story.

The Daffodil Principle
Several times my daughter had telephoned to say, “Mother, you must come see the daffodils before they are over.” I wanted to go, but it was a two-hour drive from Laguna to Lake Arrowhead. “I will come next Tuesday,” I promised, a little reluctantly, on her third call.
Next Tuesday dawned cold and rainy. Still, I had promised, and so I drove there. When I finally walked into Carolyn’s house and hugged and greeted my grandchildren, I said, “Forget the daffodils, Carolyn! The road is invisible in the clouds and fog, and there is nothing in the world except you and these children that I want to see bad enough to drive another inch!” My daughter smiled calmly and said, “We drive in this all the time, Mother.”
“Well, you won’t get me back on the road until it clears, and then I’m heading for home!” I assured her. “I was hoping you’d take me over to the garage to pick up my car.” “How far will we have to drive?” “Just a few blocks,” Carolyn said. “I’ll drive. I’m used to this.” After several minutes, I had to ask,
“Where are we going? This isn’t the way to the garage!” “We’re going to my garage the long way,” Carolyn smiled, “by way of the daffodils.” “Carolyn,” I said sternly, “please turn around.” “It’s all right, Mother, I promise. You will never forgive yourself if you miss this experience.”
After about twenty minutes, we turned onto a small gravel road and I saw a small church. On the far side of the church, I saw a hand-lettered sign that read, “Daffodil Garden.”
We got out of the car and each took a child’s hand. I followed Carolyn down the path. Then, we turned a corner of the path, and
I looked up and gasped. Before me lay the most glorious sight. It looked as though someone had taken a great vat of gold and poured it down over the mountain peak and slopes. The flowers were planted in majestic, swirling patterns: great ribbons and swaths of deep orange, white, lemon yellow, salmon pink, saffron, and butter yellow. Each different colored variety was planted as a group so that it swirled and flowed like its own river with its own unique hue.
There were five acres of flowers. “But who has done this?” I asked Carolyn. “It’s just one woman,” Carolyn answered. “She lives on the property. That’s her home.” Carolyn pointed to a well kept A-frame house that looked small and modest in the midst of all that glory. We walked up to the house. On the patio, we saw a poster. “Answers to the Questions I Know You Are Asking” was the headline. The first answer was a simple one. “50,000 bulbs,” it read. The second answer was, “One at a time, by one woman. Two hands, two feet, and very little brain.” The third answer was, “Began in 1958.”
There it was, The Daffodil Principle. For me, that moment was a life-changing experience. I thought of this woman whom I had never met, who, more than forty years before, had begun one bulb at a time—to bring her vision of beauty and joy to an obscure mountain top. Still, just planting one bulb at a time, year after year, had changed the world. This unknown woman had forever changed the world in which she lived. She had created
something of ineffable magnificence, beauty, and inspiration. The principle her daffodil garden taught is one of the greatest principles of celebration. That is, learning to move toward our goals and desires one step at a time—often just one baby step at a time-and learning to love the doing, learning to use the accumulation of time. When we multiply tiny pieces of time with small increments of daily effort, we, too, will find we can accomplish magnificent things. We can change the world.
“It makes me sad in a way,” I admitted to Carolyn. “What might I have accomplished if I had thought of a wonderful goal thirty-five or forty years ago and had worked away at it ‘one bulb at a time’ through all those years. Just think what I might have been able to achieve!” My daughter summed up the message of the day in her usual direct way. “Start tomorrow,” she said. It’s so pointless to think of the lost hours of yesterdays. The way to make “learning” a lesson of celebration instead of a cause for regret is to only ask,
“How can I put this to use today?”
We convince ourselves that life will be better after we get married, have a baby, then another. Then we are frustrated that the kids aren’t old enough and we’ll be more content when they are. After that, we’re frustrated that we have teenagers to deal with. We will certainly be happy when they are out of that stage.
We tell ourselves that our life will be complete when our
spouse gets his or her act together, when we get a nicer car, when we are able to go on a nice vacation, or when we retire. The truth is there’s no better time to be happy than right now. If not now, when? Your life will always be filled with challenges. It’s best to admit this to yourself and decide to be happy anyway.
Happiness is the way. So, treasure every moment that you have and treasure it more because you shared it with someone special, special enough to spend your time with ... and remember that time waits for no one.
So, stop waiting...
Until your car or home is paid off
Until you get a new car or home
Until your kids leave the house
Until you go back to school
Until you finish school
Until you lose 10 lbs.
Until you gain 10 lbs.
Until you get married
Until you have kids
Until you retire
Until summer
Until spring
Until winter
Until fall
Until you die
There is no better time than right now to be happy.
Happiness is a journey, not a destination. So work like you don’t need money, love like you’ve never been hurt, and, dance like no one’s watching.
If you want to brighten someone’s day, pass this on to
someone
special...
I just did.

 

[packrat]

Oh that''s beautiful Gailey! Thank you for posting that!

 

[Gailey]

Date: 5/19/2009 2:14:43 PM
Author: Loves Vintage
Oh, it is great talking to you about this, Gailey! Right now, the area that leads up to the stream is lawn, so we did move the leaves from that side of the stream, but the area on the other side of the stream, that leads up to the road is untouched, except for some big fallen branches that I removed. I gather I should not be removing those either.

Once I tranform the area that is grass now, we will no longer remove the leaves. Mr. LV will be very happy to hear of this development. Actually, the leaves were all blown off of the grass into one huge pile that has some random woodsie-type, pricker-type bushes, so they are sitting there, waiting to decompose. I can only imagine what is living under there. Mr. LV found a lost salamander in our basement in the fall. I would imagine he and his buddies are living in that pile right now!

Feel free to tell us all you wish about composting. I picked up a composter for free from the last town I lived in. It was an Earth Day offering from the town. So nice. I had it going for about a year and did use some of the finished compost in my garden there. We put all of our grass clippings (dried first) in it, leaves, all veggie and fruit scraps, egg shells and used coffee grounds and liners. Sadly, the finished compost is still sitting there. I have a tenant renting there now, and I can only hope that she is maintaining my perrenials (full sun

).

What kind of composter do you use? Or, did you make your own?

I sort of outgrew the commercially available models and Mr Gailey has built me a couple. One is at a friend''s property who has 5 horses, the other one is at my rental house. I''ll take some pictures a little later on today and post them later.

In a nutshell, everything you ever wanted to know about successful composting is in this book: The Rodale Book of Composting
Successful composting depends upon nitrogen based items (wet grass clippinngs, vegtable scraps etc) being added to carbon based material (dried leaves, twigs, sawdust, old newspapers etc) in a ration of 1:2. In other words twice as much carbon based stuff as nitrogen based. The mixture also needs to be damp, so stop drying your grass clippings!

The method of composting I am describing is called "aerobic composting" and depends on oxygen and water as much as the nitrogen and carbon based ingredients. So from time to time I aerate the compost. If you bought your composter, chances are you will also be able to buy a compost aerating tool as well.

In addition to my carbon and nitrogen layers, I also add a layer of fresh horse manure. I find that my compost heats up much quicker if I do that. Once I''d filled my bins last fall, I then watered generously. I then covered then with potato bags (burlap), put the lid on and more of less left everything. I''m off out to take a look at it shortly, so I will report back. Now I live in a zone 3b, so there''s nothing much to do in the winter to a compost bin/heap. I have indoor worms as well, but more on those another time.

It may take several cycles of heating and cooling to finish the composting process. I suspect my efforts last fall not to have completely done the job but in re-aerating it, adding some more nitrogen based material and some more horse doo-doo, it will heat up again. My aim is to be able to screen it and use it by the fall. In warmer climates, this won''t take as long.

I have a 3 bin system. The end one is filled with last year''s finished compost (or what''s left of it). I will empty that out shortly, giving me one empty bin. Into that, I will move the contents of the 2nd bin, adding oxygen as I go. Then the contents of the 1st bin will go into the 2nd bin. I''ve already got a good supply of shredded leaves & twigs etc, which I will add to the 1st bin in layers with grass clipping, horse manure etc.

More later tonight with pictures I hope!