What kind of cut is this - rose cut with a table?

[foxinsox]

so I was looking at antique rings as you do and saw this ring and I don't know what cut the centre stone is - it says rose cut but do you get rose cuts like this? I thought they didn't have a table but this does..

 

[Lookinagain]

do you have a photo or a link?

 

[whitewave]

Check ebay-- I think I saw this listing there too.

 

[foxinsox]

do you have a photo or a link?

Yeah I linked in my original post but it's here https://www.etsy.com/listing/513651157/antique-vintage-rose-cut-diamond-3-stone
I should say, I have zero plan to buy this because the optical effect of a hole in the middle is very offputting. I was just surprised to see such an odd cut and wondered what it was

 

[rockysalamander]

Looks like a specialty rose cut..Brabant. http://www.thediamondcuts.com/rose-cut-diamond.html

 

[SimoneDi]

It also reminds me of a portrait cut, although those tend to be even flatter.

 

[mochiko42]

My guess would be portrait cut not rose cut.

 

[valeria101]

Follow The Rough Cut

 

[Lookinagain]

Yeah I linked in my original post but it's here https://www.etsy.com/listing/513651157/antique-vintage-rose-cut-diamond-3-stone
I should say, I have zero plan to buy this because the optical effect of a hole in the middle is very offputting. I was just surprised to see such an odd cut and wondered what it was

interesting. I have no answer as to name of that cut. As an FYI, i can not see a link in your original post on either my work or home computer, but it seems others can..........

 

[foxinsox]

Looks like a specialty rose cut..Brabant. http://www.thediamondcuts.com/rose-cut-diamond.html

I did check that and I think not a Brabant as even that shows a top row of shallow facets. This is just flat where the top facets would be. The table also unhelpfully showcases a very obvious flaw which you'd see every time you looked down!

 

[foxinsox]

interesting. I have no answer as to name of that cut. As an FYI, i can not see a link in your original post on either my work or home computer, but it seems others can..........

That's odd! Altho, I'm on my phone atm and the hyperlinked text isn't very differently distinguished from the plain text around it - I linked off the "this ring" rather than putting the URL in but it has made it less obvious I'm sorry

 

[foxinsox]

It must just be what the rough gave the cutter to work with but it certainly makes for a pretty ugly stone. Surely it would have been foil-backed originally?

 

[rockysalamander]

What's odd is that I have seen lots of portrait cuts, but always (almost always?) on a step cut and the window is usually most of the surface. The faceting is really off the the sides. So, it seems to be a blend between a Brabart and something else yielding a flat table and back. Maybe a transitional Brabart? Given these were all hand cut, maybe the cutter was just having fun that day.

And it was foil backed, they should do that again. Maybe it would look nicer?

 

[Lisa Loves Shiny]

I too think a foil back would help appearance of the diamond. For some reason this thread reminded me of another "rose" cut diamond in which the buyer had questions about the cut. It was years ago. I remember thinking that it looked like the seller took a poorly cut pear shaped diamond and set it upside down in the setting and called it a rose cut. It was bizarre.

 

[pyramid]

so I was looking at antique rings as you do and saw this ring and I don't know what cut the centre stone is - it says rose cut but do you get rose cuts like this? I thought they didn't have a table but this does..

I bought a small 5 stone ring from ebay years ago and the seller claimed it was her mothers and was rose cut. The pictures were not rose cut but like old European cut they were deep cut but mine were so small couldn't say much other. I said that rosecuts are usually cut without a table with triangular facets and she said no these are rosecuts. I have since seen rings sold as rosecut which were the same with tables. I just believed to end up with that in the UK anyway these stones were in the past called rosecuts. Maybe because of the flower design you see in OEC stones, like the one Diamondseeker has. Mine is too too small to see it and I have never had them under a loupe.

 

[foxinsox]

Pyramid, those sound really interesting. Do you still have it and could post pictures?

 

[valeria101]

In line with @pyramid ...

another WWW (nice setting ... oodles of girdle damage)

I kept thinking, and cannot recall these being called anything in particular other than 'rose cuts'.

I would add that the style of rose cut reminds jewelry made around 1750 & earlier, while early brilliants rubbed shoulders with rose cuts, table cuts etc. - and elements of these styles comingled interestingly. Not sure how that unrecognizable, rarefied market named diamond cut styles !