What do you think of the IS image of this OEC?

[CharmyPoo]

Date: 3/26/2010 9:08:07 PM
Author: zhuzhu
Not sure how to get a profile view of the diamond in a bezel setting, however here is (I think) a better pic showing the facets of this European cut diamond (newer cut).
Thank you!

I am sorry to say but if everyone is saying it is not an OEC - you have to recognize it is not. Perhaps, just an average round diamond cut in europe?

If you love the diamond, doesn''t really matter what it is.

Although the photo that stci posted, got me desiring an OEC again .. I keep itching for one.

 

[zhuzhu]

I think the low crown explains the unusual brilliance compared to what a real OLD European cut would be. I think I will give my babe a new name "antique NEW European cut RHR".
Now onto the quest of finding an OLD European cut! Anyone cares to help? (wink, wink)

 

[stci]

Date: 3/26/2010 9:34:49 PM
Author: zhuzhu
I think the low crown explains the unusual brilliance compared to what a real OLD European cut would be. I think I will give my babe a new name ''antique NEW European cut RHR''.
Now onto the quest of finding an OLD European cut! Anyone cares to help? (wink, wink)

But it''s not an antique and it''s not an OEC.

 

[clgwli]

Date: 3/27/2010 12:15:38 AM
Author: stci

Date: 3/26/2010 9:34:49 PM
Author: zhuzhu
I think the low crown explains the unusual brilliance compared to what a real OLD European cut would be. I think I will give my babe a new name 'antique NEW European cut RHR'.
Now onto the quest of finding an OLD European cut! Anyone cares to help? (wink, wink)

But it's not an antique and it's not an OEC.

+1 Honestly at best you have a transitional cut as has been explained here. And it would be vintage piece, not antique. I don't mean to sound snippy but you calling yours a European cut (when it is just as likely to be an Early American cut) is as bad as me calling mine from 1925 as an OEC when it is obviously not. It may have some similarities, but it isn't the same. The ring in my avatar is a vintage transitional cut as well. I smile quite a lot when I say that even though it isn't my dream OEC.

 

[Lurchie]

So will you keep the ring? It sounds like you still love it and it looks terrific on your hand.

 

[zhuzhu]

Yes I am definately keeping the ring.
The seller''s definaton of the cut is "European cut", to some it equates old european cut but to others the defination is broader. I wanted a OEC at first but have fallen in love with this particular diamond.
Now the curiosity for an older cut diamond is in and I am on my way to search for a stricly defined OEC.

Thank you DH for a beautiful anniverary RHR!

 

[Lurchie]

Date: 3/27/2010 11:32:24 AM
Author: zhuzhu
Yes I am definately keeping the ring.
The seller''s definaton of the cut is ''European cut'', to some it equates old european cut but to others the defination is broader. I wanted a OEC at first but have fallen in love with this particular diamond.
Now the curiosity for an older cut diamond is in and I am on my way to search for a stricly defined OEC.

Thank you DH for a beautiful anniverary RHR!

Excellent! A win-win for us too. Looking forward to hearing about your OEC search.

 

[Hest88]

Date: 3/27/2010 11:32:24 AM
Author: zhuzhu
Yes I am definately keeping the ring.

The seller''s definaton of the cut is ''European cut'', to some it equates old european cut but to others the defination is broader. I wanted a OEC at first but have fallen in love with this particular diamond.

Well, not really. It shows the seller has no idea what he was talking about. Unless by European cut he meant "diamond that was cut in Europe"!

Strict definitions are important so we all have common definitions. By this, I could call a pear a marquise because "to some with a broad definition a pear is like half a marquise!"

However, I''m glad you love it and good luck on your quest for an older diamond. The ring style if quite lovely.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 3/27/2010 11:32:24 AM
Author: zhuzhu
Yes I am definately keeping the ring.
The seller''s definaton of the cut is ''European cut'', to some it equates old european cut but to others the defination is broader. I wanted a OEC at first but have fallen in love with this particular diamond.
Now the curiosity for an older cut diamond is in and I am on my way to search for a stricly defined OEC.

Thank you DH for a beautiful anniverary RHR!

Enjoy your beautiful ring and wear it in good health

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I am not saying this is 100% true in this case I don''t have all the information but:

Beware of sellers who try to define something as the rough coming from a particular origin, the cutting coming from a particular origin or the time period the stone was cut being defined.

These comments are often made to romanticize and add perceived value to the consumer where the comments have little or no proof and are at best a guess or at worse an obvious deception to make a sale or drive up the price beyond its value without the story.

You would require an qualified appraisor who specializes in antique cuts to verify the validity of any such claim. Someone like Richard Sherwood would be one such person I would suggest for this purpose.

I am not an appraisor or an expert but the stone you have shown likely wouldn''t even be called a transitional cut, I couldn''t even say for sure it was old, just from the symmetry and the shape outline.

I have cut and pasted on experts explanation of transitional cut:

"we generally call the stones that have short lower girdle facets Transition cuts - they are usually around or post WWI.

They were usually the early stones that were cut by sawing and then bruting or rounding - 2 major technical advances - and often technological advances came afterwards.

Then during the next 50 or so years the lower girdle facets got longer until we have our modern brilliant."