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lovehersomuch

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Hey all -

I'm making a lot of progress on my selection of the loose diamond for my Memoire purity setting.

What do you think about this diamond and how does this deal sound - am I getting a good price? I havent seen diamond yet in person because it wasnt in stock but will hopefully see it soon.

Just some background - i want to get my gf a diamond in the 1.10-1.25 range (more so on the higher end) as size does matter when it comes to diamonds but I still want a ring that has a good cut and is colorless. Also it is imp to us that there is no inclusions to the naked eye - that is why we may have to go an SI1 instead of a SI2.

Here are the specs and price - this is the one i am leaning towards:

1.24ct Premium Cut, SI1, F color Good Polish, Good Sym., GIA cert. $5,500. It does have medium Fluorescence though.
depth: 65.00 table: 55.00
Dimensions: 6.69x6.75x4.37

Here are some other ones that caught my attention - let me know what you think of these too:

1.22 Ideal, SI2, F color, Excellent polish, Excellent Sym., GIA cert $4950 No fluorescence.
Depth: 59.60, table: 58.00
Dimensions: 6.96x7.03x4.17, no fluorscence

1.21 Ideal, SI2, F color, Very Good polish, Excellent sym., GIA cert $5000
Depth: 61.80, table: 57.00
dimensions: 6.83x6.90x4.24, no fluorscence

This one is a bit smaller but seems like a good price:
1.10 Premium, SI2 F color, Very Good polish, good sym., GIA cert $3750.
Depth: 58.50, table: 62.00
Dimensions: 6.71x6.75x3.94, faint fluorscence

Thanks!!!
 
Welcome! You need to use this search tool and put in Excellent-Excellent for cut and check GIA and AGS only for labs. I encourage you to include G color in your search, as Ideal cut G''s look very white and you likely could not tell it from an F. You may need to give a little on the color if you want to go above 1 ct.

https://www.pricescope.com/sift.aspx

Cut is very important for the beauty of the stone, so the ones called premium cut are not as well cut as the Excellent/Ideal ones.
 
thanks but some of the diamonds i did list were ideal cut. i want feedback on the diamonds that i listed because i plan to buy the diamond and ring/wedding band from the same vendor to get it all insured and dont want the hassle of working with 2 diff vendors..

the ones you have shown are also more money...
 
Hi there,

Have a look at the dimensions of the second stone: 6.71 x 6.75 and compare them to the first stone. As you can see, the second stone, although it weighs less, looks bigger. The reason is that the first stone is incredibly deep (65%) while the second stone has an enormous table (that''s the flat part on top of the diamond). Both features will make a diamond sparkle much less. I would definitely nix both of these stones as they are poorly cut. Note that you would have paid almost $2000 more for a stone that would look smaller and darker.

"1.24ct Premium Cut, SI1, F color Good Polish, Good Sym., GIA cert. $5,500. It does have medium Fluorescence though.
depth: 65.00 table: 55.00
Dimensions: 6.69x6.75x4.37

This one is a bit smaller but seems like a good price:
1.10 Premium, SI2 F color, Very Good polish, good sym., GIA cert $3750.
Depth: 58.50, table: 62.00
Dimensions: 6.71x6.75x3.94, faint fluorscence"

I will let others give advice on the middle two stones, but you definitely do not want either of these!
 
ok thanks for the input - i'm still in the initial stages of the diamond shopping and appreciate the feedback.

ill try to get a diamond that is ideal cut - i was told by the jeweler that premium is good as well since its one level below ideal. also an fyi - the diamond color for these was F because thats the minimum that i want to go - i want the diamond to be colorless but want the largest ct possible that has a good cut and is colorless. budget is around 5,000 but obviously if i can spend lesser money that's always great! :) ...

not a lot of vendors carry memoire - the one that gave me the quote does carry memoire and gave me a good deal on them.. im just going through their diamond inventory and finding the best diamond to compliment this amazing ring and wedding band.
 
Hi lovehersomuch, welcome
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I totally agree - those too are def a no for me too. Can you post more info for us, such as crown and pavillion angles for the stones. You can use this info to run through the HCA (cut adviser) which will tell us more about how well these stones are cut (better cut - sparklier!).
 
Oops, I also meant to add - that the term Ideal can be used loosley by some vendors, and they don''t necessarily mean the same thing. You should try and see an AGS 000 (Ideal stone), and compare the ones you are looking at with that if possible.
 
 
Hi again. Ok don''t mean to cut you down, some of those are not great either, mainly tables sizes way too big and depth issues
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. So, I think maybe it''s a good idea if you read some of the Pricescope tutorials on cut, table size, depth etc. These will also explain AGS000 stones - they are stones that are certified by AGS, which are beautifully cut stones. Anyone can sell these stones, they are not sold by an exclusive vendor. These specs have been given a few times before, but try to look for stones that have the following : 55-57 Table, 59-62 Depth, 40.7-40.9 PA (pavillion angle) and 34-35 CA (crown angle). Keep posting stones though and we can find you a nice one, hopefully others will chime in with their opinions too (don''t want to be a thread hog). Hang in there, we will find you a beauty!
 
LHSM, if you take a look at the diamonds that DS posted, that way you will see the type of diamond to look for with the proportions etc. Also use the Holloway Cut Advisor above, to help you. For example, you might get crown and pavillion angles which may be outside narrow ranges, which work very well together, this could broaden your options if everything else is right. Also an Idealscope image is also useful to confirm the numbers, many online vendors have these available.

Hope this helps.

Here is a super one! You would need to check with the folks at WF if it was eyeclean, going by the magnified pic there is a small dark inclusion visible, but it may not be in reality, they would be able to advise on that.

http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-50512.htm#

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1060580.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
 
honey22 - I'll be sure to use this website as a reference point and use the above diamond finder to help me.. the diamonds that i listed above with links are the same ones from my first post - they were just direct links to those diamonds with the exception of the 1.29 one. I'll also keep the the depth and table in mind that you listed.

just an fyi to all - my budget is about $5,000. Also, the only vendors that I will work with are either pearlmans or quest jewelers as they have the memoire collection that i want at a great price and i want to get everything from the same place.

pearlmans jewelers
www.pearlmansjewelers.com

quest jewelers
www.questjewelers.com

so if you are going to post diamonds on here that i should consider please post them from the above websites. Listing diamionds in the price range up to 6,500 (on the higher end) is ok because im confident these vendors will drop hundreds of this price with discounts! but def as stated before if i can get it for less thatll be great - range for desired ct size is 1.10 - 1.25...

thanks again! i thought i was making a lot of progress having picked out the wedding band and engagement ring.. my gf loved the diamonds that i listed but apparently they arent good - im glad that i didnt go forward with it but im a bit more confused and obviously not ready to purchase a diamond!
 
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please help me out with this! i appreciate everyones feedback and suggestions..

are the depth and table really that important? im not sure if everyone really knows what i want.. i want a 1.10-1.25ct SI1/SI2 D/E/F ideal diamond for around 5,000 max. I didnt know that the other specs were so important.. for a girl diamond size matters so thats why ct size is higher priority but i want it to be colorless and eye clean but for the best price.

this is going on a really nice Memoire Purity eternity ring so it does need to be a nice diamond to hlep compliment the piece.

when suggesting diamonds please suggest them from the quest or pearlmans websites. the list price they have can be negotiated so when searching for diamonds i think you can do a query of a max of 6,500 since i can probably talk them down to the 5,000 range.


Thanks all - sorry im just eager to purchase!!!
 
Loverhersomuch

I would contact Bill at Pearlmans and have him do a search for you,(I believe you can find his email on the pearlmans website) I was also looking for the memoire eternity band and center stone from one place and he was able to come up with some very nice AGS stones for me within my budget, I also think that he will be able to negotiate some prices with you if you buy both the stone and setting from him!

I just wanted to give you my experience, sorry I couldn''t be more helpful!
Bill responds via email rather quickly, I would just email him your setting and center diamond requirements and I am sure he will be more than happy to help!!! Then you can run his diamond search past the forum again and see what they say....

good luck! and make sure you keep us posted!
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Date: 1/6/2008 2:26:45 PM
Author: lovehersomuch
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please help me out with this! i appreciate everyones feedback and suggestions..


are the depth and table really that important? im not sure if everyone really knows what i want.. i want a 1.10-1.25ct SI1/SI2 D/E/F ideal diamond for around 5,000 max. I didnt know that the other specs were so important.. for a girl diamond size matters so thats why ct size is higher priority but i want it to be colorless and eye clean but for the best price.


this is going on a really nice Memoire Purity eternity ring so it does need to be a nice diamond to hlep compliment the piece.


when suggesting diamonds please suggest them from the quest or pearlmans websites. the list price they have can be negotiated so when searching for diamonds i think you can do a query of a max of 6,500 since i can probably talk them down to the 5,000 range.



Thanks all - sorry im just eager to purchase!!!
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I, too, have been looking for the right center. It seems that by limiting the vendor to those mentioned, the other members here may not be able to help you find the best stone. Are you looking for the best that these vendors have for less than $5000? If posed this way, maybe it would help clarify what you are looking for from the other PS members. Best of luck to you!
 
Date: 1/6/2008 2:26:45 PM
Author: lovehersomuch
ttt

please help me out with this! i appreciate everyones feedback and suggestions..

are the depth and table really that important? im not sure if everyone really knows what i want.. i want a 1.10-1.25ct SI1/SI2 D/E/F ideal diamond for around 5,000 max. I didnt know that the other specs were so important.. for a girl diamond size matters so thats why ct size is higher priority but i want it to be colorless and eye clean but for the best price.

this is going on a really nice Memoire Purity eternity ring so it does need to be a nice diamond to hlep compliment the piece.

when suggesting diamonds please suggest them from the quest or pearlmans websites. the list price they have can be negotiated so when searching for diamonds i think you can do a query of a max of 6,500 since i can probably talk them down to the 5,000 range.


Thanks all - sorry im just eager to purchase!!!
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We didn't know you only wanted to work with Quest or Pearlmans.
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Also yes, depth, table, crown and pavillion angles are VERY important, you want the best cut diamond you can find, otherwise it will look dull and won't sparkle. By concentrating on cut quality too, you will end up with a diamond your GF will be proud of. Also as you only want to work with 2 vendors, it might be best to contact them and tell them what you are looking for, they will help you with their expertise and make the whole process much easier.
 
The only reason why I want to work with Quest Jewelers is because I have heard good things about them and they are local - they carry Memoire - this is the designer band/ring I want to purchase and they actually have a good price. Pearlmans is also great and carry Memoire however it is out of state so I wouldnt really be able to see the diamond in person prior to purchasing it. I''m not down to get it from any of these online vendors like whiteflash or bluenile - mainly because they dont carry Memoire and it will be difficult to get support later on if anything happens - more hassle.

i''ve emailed bill pearlman and will let quest know what i am looking for in a diamond. My budget is around 5k just for the diamond but that doesnt necessarily mean that i want to spend 5k - if i am able to spend a few hundred less then thatd be great.
 
Date: 1/6/2008 11:11:19 PM
Author: wildhawker

Date: 1/6/2008 2:26:45 PM
Author: lovehersomuch
ttt


please help me out with this! i appreciate everyones feedback and suggestions..


are the depth and table really that important? im not sure if everyone really knows what i want.. i want a 1.10-1.25ct SI1/SI2 D/E/F ideal diamond for around 5,000 max. I didnt know that the other specs were so important.. for a girl diamond size matters so thats why ct size is higher priority but i want it to be colorless and eye clean but for the best price.


this is going on a really nice Memoire Purity eternity ring so it does need to be a nice diamond to hlep compliment the piece.


when suggesting diamonds please suggest them from the quest or pearlmans websites. the list price they have can be negotiated so when searching for diamonds i think you can do a query of a max of 6,500 since i can probably talk them down to the 5,000 range.



Thanks all - sorry im just eager to purchase!!!
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I, too, have been looking for the right center. It seems that by limiting the vendor to those mentioned, the other members here may not be able to help you find the best stone. Are you looking for the best that these vendors have for less than $5000? If posed this way, maybe it would help clarify what you are looking for from the other PS members. Best of luck to you!
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yes, im going thru quest or pearlmans so far for quotes and working with them on the diamond. on the quest website you can still search for diamonds - so if you all are so kind to suggest any nice diamonds with my criteria then feel free to post them on here.
 
Does everyone agree - is the ideal range for these specs:

55-57 Table, 59-62 Depth, 40.7-40.9 PA (pavillion angle) and 34-35 CA (crown angle)
 
Date: 1/7/2008 11:18:43 PM
Author: lovehersomuch
Does everyone agree - is the ideal range for these specs:

55-57 Table, 59-62 Depth, 40.7-40.9 PA (pavillion angle) and 34-35 CA (crown angle)
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Lovehersomuch,

I completely understand how challenging this whole diamond selection process can be given that the definition of "ideal" seems to range so greatly ...

Since you have put so much into this purchase and want to make the diamond as beautiful as the setting, you will likely want to place primary focus on the cut. Based on the carat range and color/clarity combo you have provided, the price range for a quality cut diamond shows to be around $6 - $8.5 K ... which is a little more than what you requested.

The numbers you quoted for the ideal range, above, seem to be bang on for the best cut/performing diamonds.

If it helps you any, I just got a deal on my 1.28 E VS2, ideal (AGS 0) GIA graded diamond for $10.2K ... I started out looking at stones with poorer cuts and they don''t even compare to this beauty. The price tag attached to them, however, were much nicer at around $6,600 - $9,000.

I''m sorry if I missed it, however, have you actually taken an opportunity to peruse diamonds, in person and compare cut/color/clarity and see if for yourself? In my humble opinion, it does make a difference to talk about it in theory as opposed to actually seeing it and understanding or visualizing how the theory manifests itself in person.

Good luck with your search!
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Date: 1/7/2008 11:38:40 PM
Author: Sparkalicious



Date: 1/7/2008 11:18:43 PM
Author: lovehersomuch
Does everyone agree - is the ideal range for these specs:

55-57 Table, 59-62 Depth, 40.7-40.9 PA (pavillion angle) and 34-35 CA (crown angle)
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Lovehersomuch,

I completely understand how challenging this whole diamond selection process can be given that the definition of ''ideal'' seems to range so greatly ...

Since you have put so much into this purchase and want to make the diamond as beautiful as the setting, you will likely want to place primary focus on the cut. Based on the carat range and color/clarity combo you have provided, the price range for a quality cut diamond shows to be around $6 - $8.5 K ... which is a little more than what you requested.

The numbers you quoted for the ideal range, above, seem to be bang on for the best cut/performing diamonds.

If it helps you any, I just got a deal on my 1.28 E VS2, ideal (AGS 0) GIA graded diamond for $10.2K ... I started out looking at stones with poorer cuts and they don''t even compare to this beauty. The price tag attached to them, however, were much nicer at around $6,600 - $9,000.

I''m sorry if I missed it, however, have you actually taken an opportunity to peruse diamonds, in person and compare cut/color/clarity and see if for yourself? In my humble opinion, it does make a difference to talk about it in theory as opposed to actually seeing it and understanding or visualizing how the theory manifests itself in person.

Good luck with your search!
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Thanks sparkalicious! I definately dont want to spend more then my limit of around $5,000ish since aside of this ring/band I have to think about major financial decisions - purchasing new home, wedding, honeymoon, etc...

It seems like you have a very nice diamond and I''m glad you are satisfied with it. However, I do think I can get a nice diamond for the price that I want - I''ll be sure to stay away from premium cut diamonds and only get an ideal cut. My range is quite large for ct size (1.10 - 1.25) so there are plenty of diamonds that are SI2 F color minimum ideal cut that come up in my queries for under 6k - not including price negotiation with the vendor.

i havent seen the diamonds that i listed above in person i saw others that were comparable since the jewelry store had the ones i listed offsite at his supplier. i''ll also check the diamond with an idealscope when i get an opportunity to see ones that i like in person.

BTW - can someone please clarify what AGS0 is?
 
Lovehersomuch

I hope your diamond search with Bill is going well, has he come up with anything for you yet?

This may be an option from Quest for you but it is a G not an F....it is a little OVER your budget but they may be able to bring the price down for you to meet your budget!
http://www.questjewelers.com/index.php?page=diamonds&action=detail&id=631

If you can, I would go see this diamond in person and compare it to an F to see if you can even see a difference, I know for me personally its very hard to see the difference face up! Of course if you compare them against a white background you will see a slight color difference...

I am not an expert on diamonds, simply trying to help, so please let others chime in before considering this diamond for purchase, the numbers seem to fit within the recommended ranges (although they are at the top of the ranges)
They dont list the crown or Pavillion angles on this diamond so if you can find that out from Quest the forum can give you a better idea whether or not its a keeper!
Oh, and I would make sure this diamond is "eye clean" as well


Other Ps member!!: Please feel free to chime in on this diamond! I am a novice but am trying to give Lovehersomuch some options
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ttt

just wanted to get more feedback on this!

Does everyone agree - is the ideal range for these specs:
55-57 Table, 59-62 Depth, 40.7-40.9 PA (pavillion angle) and 34-35 CA (crown angle)??

In the Quest website they list a premium cut and their ideal specs dont seem to align with the above ranges for depth/table... They may have an diff interpretation of ideal??
 
Date: 1/14/2008 2:22:51 PM
Author: lovehersomuch
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just wanted to get more feedback on this!


Does everyone agree - is the ideal range for these specs:

55-57 Table, 59-62 Depth, 40.7-40.9 PA (pavillion angle) and 34-35 CA (crown angle)??
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IMO, Yes.
 
But what if the table, depth, pav are excellent, but the stone looks like a broken mirror under an ideal scope? The specs are only good if each cut meets them.
 
back to the top!! =)

please post any diamonds you suggest from the questjewelers.com website

thanks!
 
Date: 1/14/2008 2:22:51 PM
Author: lovehersomuch

ttt

just wanted to get more feedback on this!

Does everyone agree - is the ideal range for these specs:

55-57 Table, 59-62 Depth, 40.7-40.9 PA (pavillion angle) and 34-35 CA (crown angle)??

In the Quest website they list a premium cut and their ideal specs dont seem to align with the above ranges for depth/table... They may have an diff interpretation of ideal??
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Those numbers are the sweet spots for some Pricescopers for a very tightly cut superideal round diamond, so you can use those and numbers just outside, check them out with the Holloway Cut Advisor to check how they complement each other, then use Idealscope images and photos to make your final selections.

I would expand those numbers slightly in fact.

depth - 60 - 62
table - 54 - 57
crown angle - 34 - 35
pavillion angle - 40.5 - 40.9/ 41 if crown angle complements.
 
 
Date: 1/23/2008 4:19:40 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 1/14/2008 2:22:51 PM
Author: lovehersomuch


ttt

just wanted to get more feedback on this!

Does everyone agree - is the ideal range for these specs:


55-57 Table, 59-62 Depth, 40.7-40.9 PA (pavillion angle) and 34-35 CA (crown angle)??

In the Quest website they list a premium cut and their ideal specs dont seem to align with the above ranges for depth/table... They may have an diff interpretation of ideal??
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Those numbers are the sweet spots for some Pricescopers for a very tightly cut superideal round diamond, so you can use those and numbers just outside, check them out with the Holloway Cut Advisor to check how they complement each other, then use Idealscope images and photos to make your final selections.

I would expand those numbers slightly in fact.

depth - 60 - 62
table - 54 - 57
crown angle - 34 - 35
pavillion angle - 40.5 - 40.9/ 41 if crown angle complements.
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thanks!

I had a hard time finding diamonds on the quest website that were "ideal" that fell between those specs..
 
Date: 1/23/2008 7:23:06 AM
Author: Ellen
Looking through Quest''s diamonds, here''s a few I found worth investigating.

http://www.questjewelers.com/index.php?page=diamonds&action=detail&id=1757

http://www.questjewelers.com/index.php?page=diamonds&action=detail&id=1861

http://www.questjewelers.com/index.php?page=diamonds&action=detail&id=1877

http://www.questjewelers.com/index.php?page=diamonds&action=detail&id=2023

http://www.questjewelers.com/index.php?page=diamonds&action=detail&id=11499

http://www.questjewelers.com/index.php?page=diamonds&action=detail&id=14833

http://www.questjewelers.com/index.php?page=diamonds&action=detail&id=15166

http://www.questjewelers.com/index.php?page=diamonds&action=detail&id=15546

You are not going to see color in a well cut G, I know, I own one. H would probably be fine too.
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thanks for all of these suggestions.. the only problem is that almost all of those are less then a carat and 1 of them is like a 23k diamond..
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im looking for 1.10 - 1.25 SI1/SI2 Ideal, F color, eye clean diamond for under 5,500. the prices on questjewelers website are marked up and negotiable from what ive seen - so if you do a search you could put in a maximum of $6,500 as i''ve noticed them taking off at least 1,000 off the list price.

also as far as the carat size - im ok with on thats on the lower end of that range too as long its beautiful.
 
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