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What are your thoughts on how government is handling COVID-19

Thanks for the link Demon. It takes me to a site but I can't read the article because I don't have a subscription. Let me do a look for the article in another way.

ETA: I clicked a second time and it worked then.

The article said the man and his wife used the stuff I believe is what they use to trick ich (Ick?) on fish in aquariums. Uhhhhh.... ???

Article:

A man without COVID-19 has died after trying to use chloroquine phosphate to prevent himself from getting the disease, officials said.

Medical toxicologists and emergency physicians are warning the public against the use of inappropriate medications and household products to prevent or treat COVID-19, according to a release from Banner Health.

In particular, Banner Health experts emphasize that chloroquine, a malaria medication, should not be ingested to treat or prevent this virus.

“Given the uncertainty around COVID-19, we understand that people are trying to find new ways to prevent or treat this virus, but self-medicating is not the way to do so,” stated Dr. Daniel Brooks, Banner Poison and Drug Information Center medical director. “The last thing that we want right now is to inundate our emergency departments with patients who believe they found a vague and risky solution that could potentially jeopardize their health.”

Officials said a man died and his wife is under critical care after the couple, both in their 60s, ingested chloroquine phosphate, an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks. Within 30 minutes of ingestion, the couple experienced immediate effects requiring admittance to a nearby Banner Health hospital, according to the release.

A spokeswoman for Banner Health stated the man was not a COVID-19 patient but instead was trying to prevent the chance of being infected.

Most patients who become infected with COVID-19 will only require symptomatic care and self-isolation to prevent the risk of infecting others. Check first with a primary care physician. The routine use of specific treatments, including medications described as ‘anti-COVID-19’, is not recommended for non-hospitalized patients, including the anti-malarial drug chloroquine.

“We are strongly urging the medical community to not prescribe this medication to any non-hospitalized patients,” Dr. Brooks stated.

For disinfecting surfaces, the Centers for Diseases and Control Prevention recommends the use of diluted household bleach solutions, alcohol solutions with at least 70% alcohol and common EPA-registered household disinfectants.
 
Thanks Sox. I'm not saying the drug doesn't work (to be fair, I'm not a medial professional so I have no idea), but I AM saying that even if it does work people shouldn't be out there deciding on their own if it's an appropriate thing for them to ingest without maybe some thought as to potential other drug interactions, any known underlying conditions, etc. that might go into deciding whether to prescribe something for a someone. Also, how did they determine how much to take...? "Well geez Alice, we put 12 drops in for the tetras so I'm thinking...what... about a cup each for us? You're a bit lighter so maybe 3/4 cup for you?"
 
Thanks Sox. I'm not saying the drug doesn't work (to be fair, I'm not a medial professional so I have no idea), but I AM saying that even if it does work people shouldn't be out there deciding on their own if it's an appropriate thing for them to ingest without maybe some thought as to potential other drug interactions, any known underlying conditions, etc. that might go into deciding whether to prescribe something for a someone. Also, how did they determine how much to take...? "Well geez Alice, we put 12 drops in for the tetras so I'm thinking...what... about a cup each for us? You're a bit lighter so maybe 3/4 cup for you?"

Serious subject but Dee you crack me up!
 
This is just how dangerous Trump is right now. Holy cow.

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To be fair, I saw chloroquine mentioned on several news outlets by doctors, even before Trump ever talked about it. I googled it myself and it was all over the internet...this was days before anyone mentioned it from the administration. Also I remembered DH having to take it sometimes when he traveled internationally.
None of the media references, including Trump, suggested that people should self medicate with anything, fish tank cleaner or otherwise. Who knows what they read on the internet or decided to do for themselves but that was their own choosing. Still sad though.
 
Serious subject but Dee you crack me up!

Bon, you know me -- humor is my approach to everything!

To be clear: I am THRILLED that there appears to be something that works for this virus. And having taken malaria pills at various points in my life with no ill affects whatsoever (including not having the itchiness that can be a side effect) I'm incredibly heartened to think if I do get The 19 I will be able to access this drug if needed and live to post another day.
 
Thanks Sox. I'm not saying the drug doesn't work (to be fair, I'm not a medial professional so I have no idea), but I AM saying that even if it does work people shouldn't be out there deciding on their own if it's an appropriate thing for them to ingest without maybe some thought as to potential other drug interactions, any known underlying conditions, etc. that might go into deciding whether to prescribe something for a someone. Also, how did they determine how much to take...? "Well geez Alice, we put 12 drops in for the tetras so I'm thinking...what... about a cup each for us? You're a bit lighter so maybe 3/4 cup for you?"

I'm glad you posted this instead of me.
 
Did anyone watch Trump‘s press conference today?
 
Did anyone watch Trump‘s press conference today?

I was going to but then I got busy cleaning the fish tank...

Kidding! You know I loves you CC!

P.S. - TR does have tank that has gone from about a dozen fish down to ONE. And we have NO IDEA what happened to the others. I've now named him Lonely Larry. I swear, if the pet store ever opens again I'm going to get him a girlfriend!
 
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Oh Sparlie, you said that so well. I can't take him so I watched another show for 50 minutes. He was still talking when I returned to the original channel. When I heard his new thinking, I thought we are lost. This mans brain is so abnormal. He can't help himself at all. His hotels will suffer too much.

Caliecakes, I'm still hoping for you know what. I'm trying to will myself not to die before I see this man next to his pal Manafort, unless he pardons him.

Annette
 
Great libertarian response.

We can wish all we want that people would logically read the news and say to themselves "ah the president says chloroquine and a zpack could be a game changer" let's wait and see or research on the web, but I'm neither a libertarian or a person who thinks most people do the logical course. It would be great if most people would be logical and assess the danger, but people don't have money sometimes, yes I know tough on them since the president didn't tell anyone to take the meds all he said was 'it could be a game changer' and for many who follow the presidents every word that means it's gold. So I think it would behoove him to shut up and speak to the country when he has something to say worth saying, of course he's not directly responsible for this person's death but as I said, his followers believe all he says is gold.



To be fair, I saw chloroquine mentioned on several news outlets by doctors, even before Trump ever talked about it. I googled it myself and it was all over the internet...this was days before anyone mentioned it from the administration. Also I remembered DH having to take it sometimes when he traveled internationally.
None of the media references, including Trump, suggested that people should self medicate with anything, fish tank cleaner or otherwise. Who knows what they read on the internet or decided to do for themselves but that was their own choosing. Still sad though.
 
I did just have to post this after my husband just read it to me.. My great state of Texas is suggesting that seniors such as himself should go to work, go out and keep the economy going and if we die we die for our grandchildren. I kid you not. This is one of the many reasons why I hate Texas, full of dumb butt jerks.


“We all want to live with our grandchildren as long as we can, but the point is our biggest gift we give to our country and our children and our grandchildren is the legacy of our country and right now, that is at risk and I feel like as the president said, the mortality rate is so low, do we have to shut down the whole country for this? I think we can get back to work.”

You can watch above, via Fox News.
 
Great libertarian response.

We can wish all we want that people would logically read the news and say to themselves "ah the president says chloroquine and a zpack could be a game changer" let's wait and see or research on the web, but I'm neither a libertarian or a person who thinks most people do the logical course. It would be great if most people would be logical and assess the danger, but people don't have money sometimes, yes I know tough on them since the president didn't tell anyone to take the meds all he said was 'it could be a game changer' and for many who follow the presidents every word that means it's gold. So I think it would behoove him to shut up and speak to the country when he has something to say worth saying, of course he's not directly responsible for this person's death but as I said, his followers believe all he says is gold.

I must have missed in the article where these people were watching/following the president vs. reading it or hearing it somewhere else. There are hospitals using these same meds as part of the treatment protocol...they are all over the TV talking about it. Drs stating that if they get the virus this is what they will take! I just don’t know how you can blame one source when there are so many saying the exact same thing...many of them medical professionals fighting the virus. Maybe they are responsible for these people drinking fish tank cleaner?
And no, I’m not a follower so I don’t understand that mentality at all. I certainly don’t blame myself or anyone else when an individual fails to think for themselves.
I’m sure you heard the question 1000 times as a kid...if someone told you to jump off a bridge would you? There has only ever been one right answer.
 
Tekate, The point he is making mirrors Cuomo from this morning...finding the balance between preserving life without destroying the economy. Prehaps we have tipped too far one direction as this is not sustainable. If Cuomo can say it then it must not be a heartless and radical thought.
There are doctors and other essential workers who are seniors or otherwise vulnerable choosing to work and fight to beat this on either the medical or economical front.
Patrick is speaking for himself, specifically not suggesting your husband or anyone else should do as he himself might choose. Patrick is revealing what he, after a few weeks of isolation compliance, would be willing to do to avoid what he sees as an economic collapse approaching quickly. It’s pretty clear from his statement and portion of text aired in the segment.
 
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I did. He is out of his mind. We are so screwed. Did you see it?

He is a sociopath who has surrounded himself by sociopaths and is propped up by sociopaths.

I am frightened to live here in a way I have never even remotely been before in my life. I'm sitting here weeping. As I weep, my DH the scientist, who has amongst many other things worked in modeling viral spread, is trying to hold himself together so that he can comfort me - with limited success.
 
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Tekate, The point he is making mirrors Cuomo from this morning...finding the balance between preserving life without destroying the economy. Prehaps we have tipped too far one direction as this is not sustainable. If Cuomo can say it then it must not be a heartless and radical thought.
There are doctors and other essential workers who are seniors or otherwise vulnerable choosing to work and fight to beat this on either the medical or economical front.
Patrick is speaking for himself, specifically not suggesting your husband or anyone else should do as he himself might choose. Patrick is revealing what he, after a few weeks of isolation compliance, would be willing to do to avoid what he sees as an economic collapse approaching quickly. It’s pretty clear from his statement and portion of text aired in the segment.
Huh? Dan Patrick did not "mirror" Governor Cuomo this morning. Yes, Gov. Cuomo anticipates a reset at some point in the future, for economic health is essential too -- and social distancing-isolation is itself unnatural and problematic. The calibration and the approach to "restarting the economic engine" is something he and his team are studying.

But he made it clear that those of us in New York shouldn't anticipate that the current PAUSE will soon be ending. We should expect it will be some months. It's not going to be "resolved in two weeks. That's not going to happen. Deal with this reality. * * * Realize the timeframe we're expecting. Make peace with it. And find a way to help each other ... because it's hard on everyone."

In contrast, Dan Patrick did not indicate he himself is willing to accept even "a few weeks of isolation compliance." And he unquestionably wants all of us "to get back to work" now since, "as the President said, the mortality rate is so low" -- not just those who are 70+.

Transcript of Governor Cuomo's briefing:

Fox hasn't posted a verbatim transcript of Patrick's brief, and devoid of any nuance, appearance on the Tucker Carlson show, but this article is the most complete account I'm seeing:
 
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There are hospitals using these same meds as part of the treatment protocol...they are all over the TV talking about it. Drs stating that if they get the virus this is what they will take! I just don’t know how you can blame one source when there are so many saying the exact same thing...many of them medical professionals fighting the virus. Maybe they are responsible for these people drinking fish tank cleaner?
You haven't been here long enough to understand all the Trump haters here, b/c in their mind Trump is responsible for every death on earth.
 
Huh? Dan Patrick did not "mirror" Governor Cuomo this morning. Yes, Gov. Cuomo anticipates a reset at some point in the future, for economic health is essential too -- and social distancing-isolation is itself unnatural and problematic. The calibration and the approach to "restarting the economic engine" is something he and his team are studying.

But he made it clear that those of us in New York shouldn't anticipate that the current PAUSE will soon be ending. We should expect it will be some months. It's not going to be "resolved in two weeks. That's not going to happen. Deal with this reality. * * * Realize the timeframe we're expecting. Make peace with it. And find a way to help each other ... because it's hard on everyone."

In contrast, Dan Patrick did not indicate he himself is willing to accept even "a few weeks of isolation compliance." And he unquestionably wants all of us "to get back to work" now since, "as the President said, the mortality rate is so low" -- not just those who are 70+.

Transcript of Governor Cuomo's briefing:

Fox hasn't posted a verbatim transcript of Patrick's brief, and devoid of any nuance, appearance on the Tucker Carlson show, but this article is the most complete account I'm seeing:

Wait, I thought Republicans were the pro-life party?

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When Trump said something like “people die in car crashes every day, but we aren’t going to stop driving cars”, that’s when I realized how screwed we all are.
 
Missing in action on Fox maybe. He's not president, And btw that is a red herring.

The mainstream press called it what was being said and then started calling it what the WHO recommended,


Now to coronavirus.

First of all, we now have a name for the disease:

COVID-19. I’ll spell it: C-O-V-I-D hyphen one nine – COVID-19.

Under agreed guidelines between WHO, the World Organisation for Animal Health and the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, we had to find a name that did not refer to a geographical location, an animal, an individual or group of people, and which is also pronounceable and related to the disease.

Having a name matters to prevent the use of other names that can be inaccurate or stigmatizing. It also gives us a standard format to use for any future coronavirus outbreaks.


Now to the coronavirus situation.

I suppose Trump is too stupid to read though.

I'm not saying it was referred to as the Wuhan virus but ONCE the WHO came out with the correct name it was time for ALL press and ALL HEADS OF STATE to name it correctly, that's what intelligent people do, they don't continue to use a racist dog whistle.


And I call BS BS on your

because they are as (if not more) complicit in creating the latest racial divide in our country for Chinese-Americans given the 24-hr news cycle.

You are just throwing that out as a denouement, it makes zero sense with zero backup, it's nonsensical.

This coloring book is - frankly - nonsense & a weak response (even after two cups of coffee), and it’s just more of the same deflective, elitist dem-speak I posted about a page or 3 back. You don’t get it ... and that’s okay, but it doesn’t make you right.
BTW, CCP thanks you for subscribing. :wavey:
 

Oh if only someone would have the balls to answer his ****ing stupid questions! My Tarantino-like revenge fantasy would have this woman saying "Shut the **** up Donald. Nobody gives a shit about your petty grudges with the press or your infantile need to have an audience. Since you can't take the reins and LEAD (you pathetic beta blame-shifting shithead), sit the **** down and let the grownups take over."
 
Oh if only someone would have the balls to answer his f*cking stupid questions! My Tarantino-like revenge fantasy would have this woman saying "Shut the f*ck up Donald. Nobody gives a shit about your petty grudges with the press or your infantile need to have an audience. Since you can't take the reins and LEAD (you pathetic beta blame-shifting shithead), sit the f*ck down and let the grownups take over."

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
You haven't been here long enough to understand all the Trump haters here, b/c in their mind Trump is responsible for every death on earth.
I choose to opt out of the hysteria and angst or looking for a boogeyman to blame. I put down the warped lenses through which things could be viewed and just look at it plain....like with the above posted clip From twitter. True the man can hardly put together coherent statements sometimes but it seems Trump is talking about the eventual end of social distancing in the context of allowing all of the reporters back into the briefing room It isn’t a threat to try to infect the journalists...how someone sees it like that...well no wonder they are having breakdowns.
 
I choose to opt out of the hysteria and angst or looking for a boogeyman to blame. I put down the warped lenses through which things could be viewed and just look at it plain....like with the above posted clip From twitter. True the man can hardly put together coherent statements sometimes but it seems Trump is talking about the eventual end of social distancing in the context of allowing all of the reporters back into the briefing room It isn’t a threat to try to infect the journalists...how someone sees it like that...well no wonder they are having breakdowns.

What? Who said they see it like he wants to infect journalists? It's simply a clip that shows how NUTS he is.
 
I choose to opt out of the hysteria and angst or looking for a boogeyman to blame. I put down the warped lenses through which things could be viewed and just look at it plain....like with the above posted clip From twitter. True the man can hardly put together coherent statements sometimes but it seems Trump is talking about the eventual end of social distancing in the context of allowing all of the reporters back into the briefing room It isn’t a threat to try to infect the journalists...how someone sees it like that...well no wonder they are having breakdowns.


Who said it was?
 
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