What are your thoughts on how government is handling COVID-19

[redwood66]

All I find is Spinal muscular atrophy?

Me too. Now I want to know what Maria found.

 

[missy]

All I find is Spinal muscular atrophy?

Me too. Now I want to know what Maria found.

I wish I heeded @Maria D ’s advice. It’s not nice. No no no.

I’ll share it below. But you’ve been warned.







S*ck
My
A**

 

[Maria D]

Oh please. People can blame whatever they want on whomever they want. If they don't care to share why then that's up to them. I laid out why I think it's not valid in this case.

Yes, you spent quite a bit of energy laying out what you think is or isn't valid. You went to the trouble to find a bunch of links from January that have the media referring to the disease as Chinese coronavirus, as if that is supposed to excuse Trump's behavior. No mention of the fact that the disease was not named COVID-19 by WHO until February.

Trump doesn't even refer to it in the same way as your (outdated) links; he doesn't bother with corona, just calling it The Chinese Virus. No matter how much you equivocate, that is an example of racist dog-whistling and he knows it. He is not a stupid man, he plays to his base.

 

[Dancing Fire]

It’s the fact that they used Trump’s exact words “Chinese Virus.” How is that not direct? I did send it to the Asian Pacific Policy and Planning Council.

It is from Wuhan, so we should believe the chinese propaganda that the virus originally came from the US??

 

[redwood66]

I wish I heeded @Maria D ’s advice. It’s not nice. No no no.

I’ll share it below. But you’ve been warned.







S*ck
My
A**

Oh that is not nice at all.

 

[missy]

Oh that is not nice at all.

I learned a new acronym. PS is full of diverse info and it took our minds off Covid 19 for a moment.

 

[redwood66]

Yes, you spent quite a bit of energy laying out what you think is or isn't valid. You went to the trouble to find a bunch of links from January that have the media referring to the disease as Chinese coronavirus, as if that is supposed to excuse Trump's behavior. No mention of the fact that the disease was not named COVID-19 by WHO until February.

Trump doesn't even refer to it in the same way as your (outdated) links; he doesn't bother with corona, just calling it The Chinese Virus. No matter how much you equivocate, that is an example of racist dog-whistling and he knows it. He is not a stupid man, he plays to his base.

If someone thinks it's racist to use the term then it shouldn't matter when or who said it.

 

[Maria D]

If someone thinks it's racist to use the term then it shouldn't matter when or who said it.

It matters to me that the POTUS deliberately uses the term in order to fan xenophobic flames. If it doesn't matter to you, that's your prerogative. But that doesn't change the fact that it is precisely what he is doing.

The written notes he was reading off of did say "coronavirus." He took his sharpie out and changed it for the purpose of being divisive. He can't hold rallies anymore but he can fire up his base in other ways.

 

[redwood66]

It matters to me that the POTUS deliberately uses the term in order to fan xenophobic flames. If it doesn't matter to you, that's your prerogative. But that doesn't change the fact that it is precisely what he is doing.

The written notes he was reading off of did say "coronavirus." He took his sharpie out and changed it for the purpose of being divisive. He can't hold rallies anymore but he can fire up his base in other ways.

I understand your reasoning and that is your prerogative. I also feel that China cannot be allowed to propagandize themselves out of this horrific pandemic they helped create. Most people are good as you stated earlier and on that we agree. Trump is divisive and rash and a whole host of other things which we can agree on as well.

Edit - However I will never agree that people can use a "He made me do it" excuse for bad or criminal behavior. People are individuals and sometimes they suck.

 

[Demon]

I wish I heeded @Maria D ’s advice. It’s not nice. No no no.

I’ll share it below. But you’ve been warned.







S*ck
My
A**

Lol. Thank you! It would have driven me crazy.

 

[Calliecake]

Trump wears his racism as if it were a badge of honor. Even when facing a worldwide health crisis that has most americas afraid for their loved ones, he feels the need to try to divide us. He is an awful human being.

Our country needs to come together and do what we can to help one another. The next few months are going to be painful and challenging for many of us. My hope is Americans can get back to doing what we once did best, supporting each other. We are all in this together.

 

[the_mother_thing]

I can't believe you are now being called on to explain how you can blame Trump for someone using his words.

Because they aren’t "Trump’s words"; they’re the EXACT SAME WORDS used by the majority of the media for almost 3 months! .

https://twitter.com/x/status/1237894303743016960

Denial doesn’t make it false; nor does China turning on their propaganda machine to try & improve their image around the globe to cover up their own mishandling of this. Are you suggesting that CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, etc. are racists as well? Who egged their behavior on then, because they darn sure aren’t exactly Trump-supportIng outlets. And what exactly was the specific date it went from being ‘okay’ to suddenly ‘racist’ ... when WHO renamed it, and if so, was that part of their memo?

The ‘academic crowd’ insisting everyone must call it by the ‘clinical’ name assigned by the WHO need a reality check in their out-of-touch, educationally-elite circles. Most people do not speak “clinic-ese” any more than they do “legal-ese” - that’s why they pay doctors and hire lawyers. And most don’t study WHO and CDC bulletins daily to see if the name of something has changed. I imagine most ‘average’ folks these days are a little too busy figuring out where to buy TP, if they’ll be able to pay bills, whether mom & dad are alive in the nursing home, and how best to educate their kids who are now home from school indefinitely. So maybe cut folks a little slack, stop ‘racing’ toward assumptions that everyone is a bigot, and practice some tolerance and self-awareness.

I have zero problem with any elected official - in any country - calling it “China Virus” because I firmly believe everyone keeping the pressure and heat on the Chinese government is critical and justified. I’m so angry on behalf of every single citizen - from every single country - and of every single ethnicity, including Chinese people living in China and elsewhere. It’s not about being racist; and choosing to believe propaganda put out by the CCP doesn’t make it so.

 

[Dancing Fire]

I have zero problem with any elected official - in any country - calling it “China Virus” because I firmly believe everyone keeping the pressure and heat on the Chinese government is critical and justified. I’m so angry on behalf of every single citizen - from every single country - and of every single ethnicity, including Chinese people living in China and elsewhere. It’s not about being racist; and choosing to believe propaganda put out by the CCP doesn’t make it so.

Sadly that the far left chose to side with all them chinese communist propaganda rather than Trump.

 

[redwood66]

I have to say I am very irritated at the relief bill including money for cruise lines who do not register their ships in the US in order to avoid taxes. Cruise lines account for tourism $ in Alaska and Florida in particular. Alaska relies heavily on tourism from cruise ships. I would rather that $ go to those locations.

And Boeing had its share of fiscal problems before this arose but there they are with their hand out to get more taxpayer $.

 

[Lilith112]

I have zero problem with any elected official - in any country - calling it “China Virus” because I firmly believe everyone keeping the pressure and heat on the Chinese government is critical and justified. I’m so angry on behalf of every single citizen - from every single country - and of every single ethnicity, including Chinese people living in China and elsewhere. It’s not about being racist; and choosing to believe propaganda put out by the CCP doesn’t make it so.

LOL. Chinese-American here; you can keep your anger if the end result is just more racist aggression against Asian-Americans. If your justification is to "hold the CCP accountable," why don't you get into advocacy or journalism or civil activism....oh wait, that entails actually taking action and doing work rather than spouting words that just end up harming Asians both within and outside of China. My bad, shouldn't impose that burden on you.

Frankly speaking, I don't care if it was Trump or MSNBC that first started calling it a "Chinese virus"-- either way, the end result was racist aggression against Asians all over the world, so I hold them all accountable. That being said, I do expect the President of the U.S., who is supposed to lead the country by example, to not further flame racism against fellow Asian-American citizens.

Anyways. Based on this thread, your mind won't be changed and you're intent on holding to this view. I just highly object to you framing this as taking a decisive stance for Chinese & Chinese-Americans; we don't need that.

 

[Tekate]

Seriously how do you know a family is liberal if you live in a land of right wing rednecks? I dunno, one Asian could be an anomaly, 2 or more, an invasion! Ya know the I have a friend who's "asian" or "black" and I don't now why you would think your neighbors would be disgusted about a Chinese and an American being married, that's a pretty big word there 'disgust'.. No one said the 'majority' of conservatives are racists, that's something Fox News say we liberals think. I personally think 'rednecks' are less educated:

The least educated states in the USA

The WalletHub website looked at 18 metrics and found that MIssissippi is the state with the least educated residents.

www.asumag.com

So do you hang out with left leaning people in your very liberal town? city? So you think democrats are out there attacking and calling out people of Asian descent? You said you wouldn't be surprised, so WHY is that? Personally I'd be shocked if you could prove that statement as a liberal and leftist and a life long democrat I THINK the people who have attacked Asians are mad, upset, not educated and have never read a dang thing on Asian immigration to America. To me it's akin to some idiot saying to me "another beer drinking Irishman" I hate beer, but as an American of Irish descent there are dumb asses out there who think all Irish are drunks.. I toss it up to stupidity. NOW if Trump started saying the reason why America has an alcoholism problem is because of the Irish I would be angry and fight that, that would make his base target me as an Irish woman, so I find it best that Trump shut up and refer to the virus as Covid19 rather than the Chinese virus.

As I said I'm thrilled you live in such an open and wonderful place, sounds liberal to me though.

It isn’t a matter of where we live or equals. We literally take our camper to redneck towns, all the time, from FL to KY and spend anywhere from days to weeks there, and not only never received dirty looks but friendliness. If we have trouble with something, the “rednecks” are there to help expecting nothing in return. Flat tire, backing into our camping spot, trying to find a decent restaurant....anything at all, they have always treated us with respect.
And, we are a mixed race couple, where you would think they would have more disgust (especially since people joke with me that I must be a “super model” and it is pretty obvious my husband makes more money than these people) but they don’t. You can twist things to make it look like the majority of conservatives are racist all you want but I really would not be surprised if many of these racist attacks are done by people who vote Dem. Don’t even get me started on the weird obsession the children who come from liberal families have on my son’s race, not thekids who come from conservative parents, the liberal parents. It’s actually bizarre, borderline “racist”.

 

[Tekate]

That's nice ya know it's NOT rednecks you should single out, it's Trump voters you should be referring to btw. Trump voters say things like "lock her up" very nasty.

An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key Traits

The president's backers share some consistent and troubling characteristics.

www.psychologytoday.com

Me personally? I think many Trump voters have anger and like to have a billionaire telling them what to do. I'd prefer a regular gal or guy myself.

It isn’t a matter of where we live or equals. We literally take our camper to redneck towns, all the time, from FL to KY and spend anywhere from days to weeks there, and not only never received dirty looks but friendliness. If we have trouble with something, the “rednecks” are there to help expecting nothing in return. Flat tire, backing into our camping spot, trying to find a decent restaurant....anything at all, they have always treated us with respect.
And, we are a mixed race couple, where you would think they would have more disgust (especially since people joke with me that I must be a “super model” and it is pretty obvious my husband makes more money than these people) but they don’t. You can twist things to make it look like the majority of conservatives are racist all you want but I really would not be surprised if many of these racist attacks are done by people who vote Dem. Don’t even get me started on the weird obsession the children who come from liberal families have on my son’s race, not thekids who come from conservative parents, the liberal parents. It’s actually bizarre, borderline “racist”.

 

[Tekate]

I live in the land of TEXAS. Where guns rule, where people wear cowboy hats when they are drunk, in Austin area anyway. Fact is I don't care either because most racists know they are abhorred and keep their mouths shut until they are with their own 'kind' their 'posse' their 'people' I mean when I'm with a liberal friend we bemoan the fact that there are racists in A merica who think it's okay to say "Chinese virus" we shudder and we wonder "Why the he-- would a person wish to incur anger and hate?" "why feed the fire?" but if I sit around with a bunch of people I don't know and the guy across from me has a cup that say Trump 2020 I dont bring up how horrible Trump is to say Chinese Virus because obviously the guy (who happens to be the guy across the street from me) must support Trump (duh) so do people where you live think you a democrat? a republican? A Trump supporter? we ALL are nice when we are in groups of unknowns but if we are in our 'hood' the jackets come off and we say things we support. So while I believe wholeheartedly "minorities don't tell you they experience it" they might think you are a Trump voter or don't know what 'group' or 'tribe' you belong to. To quote our idiotic president who's done nada really to help the states except to say things like "it's up to the states" who's hasn't lead, been been watching Fox, that is what happens.

What do I use as racism as my thermometer? What I read and I read them all, from Red State to NYTimes to Western Journalism to WaPo to Slate to WSJ to National Review to my local joke paper the Statesman to the Press Herald in Maine, to the BBC, I read all the time, this is my thermometer on racism.

You're right no one ever should. I live in what ignorant people think is the land of white supremacy but they have no actual idea what goes on here other than what they read in papers 20 years ago which was also anecdotal. I don't see it here and the minorities who live here don't tell me they experience it. And I know plenty of them, both workers and successful business owners. I have never thought or said any of the things Maria posted but have been outright called a racist on this very forum. So forgive me if I don't use PS as my "racism in the US" thermometer. One can always find evidence of racism because racists exist and they always will.

 

[Tekate]

I am sorry you experienced racism. Who was egging on the idiots calling me racial slurs? I truly don't understand the need to blame someone else for the actions of jerks.

You didn't play follow the leader when you were a kid? Come on seriously you don't under why if our feckless leader sounds racist it doesn't give the base the right to be vocal on their own racism? I expect better from you.

 

[arkieb1]

I'm totally neutral, like Switzerland.. and here's how I see it;

YES - it originated in China, YES it's partially China's fault because they hid the extent of it and didn't report how serious this thing was early enough....
BUT..... for people in the US your fearless leader denied that it was going to be a major health crisis, labelling it as "fake news" and because it was somewhere else like many Americans, he elected initially to take the approach he didn't care how many Asians it killed it wasn't relevant to him until it was on your doorstep.

When it was on your doorstep he was still in denial.... Would the other side politically in the US have handled it sooner, better and so on? I don't honestly know. They may have worded their responses more diplomatically but they may not have moved any faster than Trump. (As seen in many other European countries that also didn't comprehend how fast, deadly and untreatable for severe cases this thing really is).

The virus originated in Wuhan, no one can deny that, in years gone by yes it would have been called the Wuhan virus. Yes, even today we still label viruses after where they originate. Trumps comments calling it the "China Virus" might indeed by true, but what is also true is that by making those comments when really he didn't need to, he and any media and anyone else that does so legitimises some people to then think it's O.K to make racist statements and act in racist ways.

US and Australian born Chinese, and for that matter the poor people born in China didn't ask for this virus any more than anyone else did. Spitting on and abusing health workers, and people that are of Asian decent isn't helping anyone. Having a President and media that cannot see how comments they have made is legitimising racism against these people isn't helping anyone.

This is a time we should all be standing together to find vaccines, cures, and making sure our hospitals and their staff have enough of everything they need to be as well equipped as possible to face this medical crisis. We can't undo what is done. There are plenty of people to blame for inaction, China, the US and many many other countries.

Now it's time to put our heads down and find solutions for the problem NOT blame each other.

 

[redwood66]

You didn't play follow the leader when you were a kid? Come on seriously you don't under why if our feckless leader sounds racist it doesn't give the base the right to be vocal on their own racism? I expect better from you.

Nope. These are adults not children. You should know better than to think I will agree that anyone can use that as an excuse.

 

[Tekate]

highlighted part means to me is you DON'T want to read it. It's not rare, ask any Jewish person in America.

I don’t have time to go back and forth or read the rare instance of possible racism in these articles. I just know that I was bullied hard in school. I was a white girl 5’10” with long blonde hair and green eyes. What do I blame it on then?
I truly think some people hate just to hate and they might useRace/Religion/sex in their language but I was nearly beat up by somegirls in high school. They hated me for being??? Tall, thin? That is what they harassed me for. Does that mean they are heightist, they just hate tall people? No, they just wanted a reason to rate someone and it was me.
I am dropping this because I don’t have the time.
I just know I feel completely safe broken down the side of the road in redneck towns, not so much in some areas of the country.
Have a great day.
Editing to add: There is racism in the US, just not as common as you would think.

 

[Tekate]

Then if you don't understand the follow the leader concept then you cannot understand why Trumpsters follow Trump when he goes racist.

I know you pretty well here, you are a conservative libertarian who believes all people could and should be responsible for themselves and can make it if they want to. You should know that I am a left wing liberal who believes that without a helping hand to many Americans they cannot get ahead and I'm willing to help with paying higher taxes because I can.. I do think our individual sides can work together to find common ground, I don't think that is possible with Trump and his ilk anymore.

Nope. These are adults not children. You should know better than to think I will agree that anyone can use that as an excuse.

 

[Tekate]

I think anyone who would attack another person for their race, sexual orientation, sex-you name it would have to be mentally unstable.....There is no way they walk, work, drive around with people of different races all around them and hate them for NO reason and be mentally stable. I truly believe it to be impossible. I may be wrong but highly doubt it.

Why do you think this? I think they are all bigots, racists, ignorant and mean but not mentally unstable, I have a brother who's mentally unstable, there's a big difference between a racist and a person who is mentally unstable

 

[redwood66]

I live in the land of TEXAS. Where guns rule, where people wear cowboy hats when they are drunk, in Austin area anyway. Fact is I don't care either because most racists know they are abhorred and keep their mouths shut until they are with their own 'kind' their 'posse' their 'people' I mean when I'm with a liberal friend we bemoan the fact that there are racists in A merica who think it's okay to say "Chinese virus" we shudder and we wonder "Why the he-- would a person wish to incur anger and hate?" "why feed the fire?" but if I sit around with a bunch of people I don't know and the guy across from me has a cup that say Trump 2020 I dont bring up how horrible Trump is to say Chinese Virus because obviously the guy (who happens to be the guy across the street from me) must support Trump (duh) so do people where you live think you a democrat? a republican? A Trump supporter? we ALL are nice when we are in groups of unknowns but if we are in our 'hood' the jackets come off and we say things we support. So while I believe wholeheartedly "minorities don't tell you they experience it" they might think you are a Trump voter or don't know what 'group' or 'tribe' you belong to. To quote our idiotic president who's done nada really to help the states except to say things like "it's up to the states" who's hasn't lead, been been watching Fox, that is what happens.

What do I use as racism as my thermometer? What I read and I read them all, from Red State to NYTimes to Western Journalism to WaPo to Slate to WSJ to National Review to my local joke paper the Statesman to the Press Herald in Maine, to the BBC, I read all the time, this is my thermometer on racism.

Yeah we're not going to agree on this other than people are different to those they don't know. That doesn't make them racist. I won't comment on people in your circle and you can refrain from commenting on those in mine. Sound good?

 

[Tekate]

Well then you are playing follow the leader aren't you?

WHO Names Disease Caused by New Coronavirus: COVID-19

WHO locks down a naming convention for the disease caused by novel coronaviruses. As for the virus itself (2019-nCoV), the International Committee on

globalbiodefense.com

We don't want to stigmatize ALL Chinese. As I've said before, the Swing flu was first found in Mexico AND USA and we neither called the virus the Mexi flu, the American flu etc, it was traced back to swine. It's not a snowflake thing that conservatives throw around it's about the correct term and education and fairness.

Would you be surprised to know these then? I can't find it right now but there is an entire video compilation of various news agencies using China/Chinese virus and Wuhan virus before Trump. This is why I can't get behind you regarding Trump being the reason. Could it be because Trump said it and now it's deemed racist? Why wasn't it before?


“Japan and Thailand Confirm New Cases of Chinese Coronavirus,” The New York Times, 1/15/20
“The CDC and Homeland Security begin screening for Chinese Coronavirus at three major US airports as outbreak spreads in Asia,” CNBC, 1/17/20
“Vaccine for new Chinese coronavirus in the works,” CNN, 1/20/20
“First U.S. case of potentially deadly Chinese coronavirus confirmed in Washington state,” Washington Post, 1/21/20
“Chinese coronavirus outbreak has reached U.S. shores, CDC says,” Los Angeles Times, 1/21/20
“The First Case Of The Chinese Coronavirus Has Hit The US, CDC Reports,” Buzzfeed, 1/21/20
“First case of Chinese coronavirus confirmed in Washington state,” NBC’s Today Show, 1/24/20
“Chinese coronavirus infections, death toll soar as fifth case is confirmed in U.S.,” Washington Post, 1/26/20
“Japan confirms case of new Chinese virus, spread is ‘concerning,'” Reuters, 1/15/20
“How the Chinese virus outbreak impacts Lunar New Year travel,” National Geographic, 1/24/20
“China coronavirus ‘spreads before symptoms show,'” BBC, 1/26/20
“Over a thousand ‘likely’ infected by Wuhan virus in China: Study,” Al Jazeera, 1/18/20
“Stop the Wuhan virus,” Nature Magazine editorial, 1/21/20)
“China confirms Wuhan virus can be spread by humans,” CNN, 1/22/20
“First U.S. Case Reported of Deadly Wuhan Virus,” Wall Street Journal, 1/22/20
“Here are the symptoms of the deadly Wuhan coronavirus and when you should be worried,” Business Insider, 1/22/20
“Something Far Deadlier Than The Wuhan Virus Lurks Near You,” Kaiser Health News, 1/24/20
“With Wuhan virus genetic code in hand, scientists begin work on a vaccine,” Reuters, 1/24/20
“The Wuhan Virus: How to Stay Safe,” Foreign Policy, 1/25/20
“Something Far Deadlier Than The Wuhan Virus Lurks Near You,” USA Today, 1/29/20
“10-Year-Old Boy Raises Fears Wuhan Virus Could Spread Undetected,” Bloomberg, 1/29/20
“Your Questions About Wuhan Coronavirus, Answered, National Public Radio, 1/30/20
“Will the Wuhan virus become a pandemic?” The Economist, 1/30/20

 

[Tekate]

Nope I will always stand up for what I believe. I think I'm fair, kind, tough, beautiful!

BUT I have never thought you a racist and most of my trumpster friends are in the arena of, American excellence, American proud, etc and I accept that.

You are a good person and I am, so I am willing to leave it at that.

Yeah we're not going to agree on this other than people are different to those they don't know. That doesn't make them racist. I won't comment on people in your circle and you can refrain from commenting on those in mine. Sound good?

 

[Tekate]

In what way??

by Dog whistling "Chinese virus" he's feeding the flames of hate.

 

[redwood66]

Nope I will always stand up for what I believe. I think I'm fair, kind, tough, beautiful!

BUT I have never thought you a racist and most of my trumpster friends are in the arena of, American excellence, American proud, etc and I accept that.

You are a good person and I am, so I am willing to leave it at that.

Totally agree with all of this my friend.

 

[Tekate]

Who cares what China says? not me. But I do care about Americans who just emigrated or who've been here since the 1800s who are of Chinese descent, those Americans I care about. It's akin to the Japanese internment camps in the 2nd world war.. that was wrong, but the fires of hate were flamed then and if we allow statements by Cheetoh head to flame the fire we might end up interring Americans of Chinese descent being placed in determent. This is why American's don't like Trump and his dog whistle to needle the Chinese and their government, I'm not stupid (yet), I know why Trumpski says what he does, he can fan the flames of anger and hatred which deflects any anger at him for not being prepared, firing scientists, lowering and ending funding for preparedness and research, I get that, but I won't be quiet about it. As DF said, if Trump were a true despot - I'd be dead

But that's my point. It is you construing it. For what reason? Does it make it easier or make you feel better to blame it on Trump?

I understand your reasoning and that is your prerogative. I also feel that China cannot be allowed to propagandize themselves out of this horrific pandemic they helped create. Most people are good as you stated earlier and on that we agree. Trump is divisive and rash and a whole host of other things which we can agree on as well.

Edit - However I will never agree that people can use a "He made me do it" excuse for bad or criminal behavior. People are individuals and sometimes they suck.