Urgent Opinion Needed on this Stone

[sandystone1]

Hi Folks,

I was wondering if any of you experts can help me choose one of the following 2 stones:

Stone 1:
1.45 ct Round HCA 0.5
Ideal
F
VS2
Depth: 60.5
Table: 56
Crown: 34
Pav: 40.6
Grid: Thin - Sl Thick
Pol: Vg
Sym: Ex
Cutlet: None

Stone 2:
1.46 ct Round HCA 0.9
Ideal
G
VS1
Depth: 59.9
Table: 58
Crown: 33.5
Pav: 40.8
Gri: Med - Sl Thick
Pol: Ex
Sym: Ex
Cutlet: None


Any help would be really appreciated.

 

[Mrs W]

which lab graded these diamonds? Are these from a pricescope vendor?

 

[sandystone1]

Thanks for your prompt reply. These are graded by GIA.

 

[Stephan]

I think this information is not enough.
IdealScope pictures could help us to choose the right one.

If I had to make a blind buy, I would take the 1.46.
40.8 is a good pavilion angle, polish and spread are better.
But on both diamonds, I don't like the sl. thick girdle (but it isn't a big issue).

 

[sandystone1]

Thanks Stephan. The 1.46 stone is from Bluenile. Do they provide Idealscope image? If not where would I find one?

 

[Stephan]

I don''t think they do.
What are the star and lower girdle lengths for each stone?
Any comments in the comments part?
Fluorescence?

 

[stone-cold11]

BN can''t provide IS image. Why don''t you use a vendor that provides one? Tell us your budget and specs and we can try to find one that fits them.

 

[Stephan]

Perhaps other sellers like Whiteflash have access to the same diamonds, even if they are not on their listing.
Just ask them.
They will provide you all the pictures needed.

 

[sandystone1]

Stephan,

I am sorry. The 1.45 one is Medium Faceted and 1.46 has Med - Sl Thick with 3.0%. Thats all the info I have from the website.

Thanks.

 

[Stephan]

I didn''t find the first diamond on Bluenile.
I found the second one, and it looks very good on paper:
http://be.bluenile.co.uk/certs/2080/GIA2105638355_zoom.jpeg
But pictures could tell us more.

 

[Stephan]

The first one should be nice too:
certificate

 

[Stephan]

But I still prefer the second one.
And the certificate is newer.
I guess it will sell quickly.

 

[sandystone1]

I was more inclined towards the first one because of the F Color. I am just little sceptical about the HCA = 0.5 as it might have contrast issues.

Also, I came across the following stone on BN. Could you tell me how would this perform? Thanks again for all your help.

Stone 3:
1.47 ct Round HCA 0.9
Ideal
F
VS2
Depth: 60.7
Table: 56
Crown: 33.5
Pav: 41.0
Grid: Thin - Med
Pol: Ex
Sym: Ex
Cutlet: None
Flor: None

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-ideal-cut-g-color-vs1-clarity_LD01075974?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0

 

[sandystone1]

I am sorry. Correction:

I was more inclined towards the first one because of the F Color. I am just little sceptical about the HCA = 0.5 as it might have contrast issues.

Also, I came across the following stone on BN. Could you tell me how would this perform? Thanks again for all your help.

Stone 3:
1.47 ct Round HCA 0.9
Ideal
G
VS1
Depth: 60.7
Table: 56
Crown: 33.5
Pav: 41.0
Grid: Thin - Med
Pol: Ex
Sym: Ex
Cutlet: None
Flor: None
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-ideal-cut-g-color-vs1-clarity_LD01075974?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0

 

[Stephan]

Date: 4/14/2009 4:44:06 PM
Author: sandystone1
I am just little sceptical about the HCA = 0.5 as it might have contrast issues.

I don''t think so, it can happen on much more extreme cases, not on a 34/40.6 combo with such a nice upper/lower girdle combo.

 

[Stephan]

The third diamond you mentioned should be very nice too but I''m not fan of 41 pavilion
Without pictures, I still prefer nr 2.
SPREAD!

 

[sandystone1]

Cool. So how big of an issue is the Med - sl thick griddle on No.2? Also apart from the old certificate thing, would you still consider No.1?
Thanks.

 

[Stephan]

I didn''t compare the prices.
Do you feel comfortable with "only" VG polish?
Med - Sl thick is not a big issue, you could have even more spread with a Thin - Med girdle, that''s it. And your diamond won''t chip when the girdle is thick enough.

 

[Stephan]

Another thing you have to understand is that color is very subjective.
- I had a J diamond recut by EightStar and it came back as a K.
- Paul (Antwerp) cut a diamond for a customer. Before sending it to GIA, he thought it was a H, but it came back as a F if I remember well.
When a nicely cut diamond doesn''t sell, it can also be because of the GIA color grade that is to high.
If you want to be sure, pay for an appraisal.

 

[sandystone1]

Coz I heard people saying that if the griddle is thick, carat wt. is wasted. My friends said VG polish is OK too. Does it really make a lot of diff?

Also, for the prices:

Stone 1: 10,900
Stone 2: 11,200
Stone 3: 12,000

 

[Stephan]

Date: 4/14/2009 5:08:38 PM
Coz I heard people saying that if the griddle is thick, carat wt. is wasted.

Yes, that is what I call the spread issue, but nr 2 has a very good spread.

Date: 4/14/2009 5:08:38 PM
My friends said VG polish is OK too. Does it really make a lot of diff?

No, but it''s still on the paper.

Date: 4/14/2009 5:08:38 PM
Also, for the prices:
Stone 1: 10,900
Stone 2: 11,200
Stone 3: 12,000

Give me nr 2 please!

 

[sandystone1]

Yes Sir. No. 2 it is. I was a bit reluctant, but now I have my answers. Appreciate for all your help and time. Please let me know any other info you have that will help boost my No.2 choice.

Thanks again.

 

[Stephan]

Now nr 2 is just my personal preference.
You may want to wait some experts chime in.
And without pictures, this is only a gamble.

 

[sandystone1]

The problem is I cannot have the pics from BN, unless I buy it with a 30 day money garuntee and appraise it later on. Is their any way I can get the pics?

Thanks

 

[Stephan]

I''m sure Whiteflash can show you those diamonds.
Even if not on their list, they could call on those diamonds.
Oh, and they take very accurate pictures, believe me.

 

[strmrdr]

Everyone posted are ones I wouldn''t buy without images and in person inspections.
1 holds promise but it needs to be checked for contrast issues.

3 and 4 are good combos also but need a IS image to check the pavilion angles and lower girdles are going to work ok. Rounded averages arent good enough.

2 has potential but is a bit of an oddball. I would want it checked out.
IS image at the least.