Too much Diamond Info - need help w/ selection!!

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/9/2007 4:27:26 PM
Author: DiamondDumbie

Date: 7/9/2007 4:05:45 PM
Author: Lorelei
With something like the Tycoon we don''t know anything about this cut, so would not be able to advise you as consumers. Rounds are easier to judge for cut as there are proven proportions and combinations which can lead to reasonably predictable standards of performance, fancy cuts are another kettle of fish, numbers give you a place to start but they really need evaluating by your own eyes. Certain technologies such as Idealscope Images, ASET etc are useful to help evaluate fancies and some online vendors use these. What is considered to be Ideal for cut quality can be reasonably straightforward for a round diamond, with fancies it can be a subject of great and continuous debate. I would research the Tycoon as much as you can, not only so you know that you are picking the best example of this cut you can get, but also because in my opinion, it can add interest and enjoyment in owning such a piece, if that is the way you decide to go. Whether any of the technologies would be useful in evaluating this Tycoon diamond are debatable.

I just noticed your avatar image of a cat pulling the toilet paper offer the roll. Since we are talking about my girlfriend, you will get a kick out of this. Her cat does this every time we ignore him for the day. And we go out of town; her cat will pull the toilet paper completely off every roll in every washroom!!

I will ask the store if they provide or can provide a report and image of the cut quality. This is a must.

Bless your GF''s cat! He will be an engagement kitty when you give her the ring, so you need to get something for him too!

 

[belle]

Date: 7/9/2007 4:27:26 PM
Author: DiamondDumbie

I will ask the store if they provide or can provide a report and image of the cut quality. This is a must.

not necessarily. i think we have already determined that the tycoon cut is a specialized cut that is best appreciated in person. it can''t be compared directly to other cuts and the ''cut quality'' would just be speculation. if you have decided that this is the style that you want, make sure to see as many as you can (it''s all about options!) and pick the one that looks best to your eye. THAT is a must.

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 7/9/2007 4:38:14 PM
Author: belle

Date: 7/9/2007 4:27:26 PM
Author: DiamondDumbie

I will ask the store if they provide or can provide a report and image of the cut quality. This is a must.

not necessarily. i think we have already determined that the tycoon cut is a specialized cut that is best appreciated in person. it can''t be compared directly to other cuts and the ''cut quality'' would just be speculation. if you have decided that this is the style that you want, make sure to see as many as you can (it''s all about options!) and pick the one that looks best to your eye. THAT is a must.

Ditto

 

[chrono]

Tritto here on the eye choosing the best stone. As a branded specialty cut, we have no idea what would constitute an ideal cut in this case for the Tycoon cut.

 

[DiamondDumbie]

Date: 7/9/2007 4:30:50 PM
Author: belle

Date: 7/9/2007 4:23:37 PM
Author: Chrono
I have heard of such fancy replacement warranties from the normal mall stores where the fine print requires that the stone be brought back to them for rechecking every 6 months. Should THEIR paperwork for these regular checkups go missing or the diamond owner being 1 day late from the 6 months date, the warranty then becomes void. Crazy but true. I just wanted you to be aware of it.

yes, as chrono mentioned, there are usually requirements that must be fulfilled on your part for the warranty to be honored. also, keep in mind that the $$$ premium that you are paying upfront by going with a more expensive b&m experience (as opposed to a reputable online vendor) is still more than what you would pay to have the ring insured through your own insurance company.

Thank you! And thank you to everyone who shared recommendations, comments and important information!!

I am feeling a lot better about this purchasing experience. I read a lot of information from this website. However, I finally got myself to register so I could start asking my own specific questions. It has paid off tremendously!

I am starting to understand what is important, what needs to be clarified and what needs to be considered.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/9/2007 5:01:59 PM
Author: DiamondDumbie

Date: 7/9/2007 4:30:50 PM
Author: belle

Date: 7/9/2007 4:23:37 PM
Author: Chrono
I have heard of such fancy replacement warranties from the normal mall stores where the fine print requires that the stone be brought back to them for rechecking every 6 months. Should THEIR paperwork for these regular checkups go missing or the diamond owner being 1 day late from the 6 months date, the warranty then becomes void. Crazy but true. I just wanted you to be aware of it.

yes, as chrono mentioned, there are usually requirements that must be fulfilled on your part for the warranty to be honored. also, keep in mind that the $$$ premium that you are paying upfront by going with a more expensive b&m experience (as opposed to a reputable online vendor) is still more than what you would pay to have the ring insured through your own insurance company.

Thank you! And thank you to everyone who shared recommendations, comments and important information!!

I am feeling a lot better about this purchasing experience. I read a lot of information from this website. However, I finally got myself to register so I could start asking my own specific questions. It has paid off tremendously!

I am starting to understand what is important, what needs to be clarified and what needs to be considered.

Then we have done what we spend time here to do! Best of luck with your purchase, ask away if you have any more questions and some pics would be nice when you get your completed ring!

 

[belle]

we''re glad you registered dd, and that you found some useful answers to your questions. take your time and find out as much as you can. feel free to ask anything! with the variety of people here, you can usually find an appropriate answer pretty quickly.
this is a big purchase in most peoples lives and getting as much information as possible just adds confidence. it''s a good thing.

 

[shminbabe]

yes, that was the same EC I looked at (online) the other day and you guys did advise that the table was too large and crown height not enough...

I''m learning. I love ECs too! I''m new so am soaking up y''alls comments on the EC threads.

jeannie

 

[DiamondDumbie]

Date: 7/9/2007 4:38:14 PM
Author: belle

Date: 7/9/2007 4:27:26 PM
Author: DiamondDumbie

I will ask the store if they provide or can provide a report and image of the cut quality. This is a must.

not necessarily. i think we have already determined that the tycoon cut is a specialized cut that is best appreciated in person. it can''t be compared directly to other cuts and the ''cut quality'' would just be speculation. if you have decided that this is the style that you want, make sure to see as many as you can (it''s all about options!) and pick the one that looks best to your eye. THAT is a must.

http://www.pricescope.com/idealscope_indx.asp

I am confussed. I understand there is no Ideal Cut specifications for the Tycoon Diamond. However, I thought the Ideal Scope and or other higher end equipment can measure and or show how a diamond reflects light (indication of a quality cut).

 

[belle]

Date: 7/9/2007 5:56:04 PM
Author: DiamondDumbie
I am confussed. I understand there is no Ideal Cut specifications for the Tycoon Diamond. However, I thought the Ideal Scope and or other higher end equipment can measure and or show how a diamond reflects light (indication of a quality cut).

the idealscope is a handy dandy tool that you can use to determine whether or not a diamond has any light leakage.
there is a cool little video showing how to use it here http://diamondscope.pricescope.com/
most jewelry stores will NOT have an idealscope around because most jewelry stores stock mediocre diamonds and they would not look good under the is! (note: i am NOT suggesting that your diamond is mediocre, i am just making a general statement about diamonds that i have encountered in stores and reflecting the general consensus about them)
there are stores that use ''specialized'' equipment to give diamonds a ''score'' on performance but these aren''t necessarily scientific tools. they are used by retailers as a sales tool to ''show'' that certain diamonds look nice.
really, the very best tool you can use is your eyes. beauty really is in the eye of the beholder! the next best thing to have is the idealsocpe. it can be particularly handy in the jewelry stores where it is hard to get a good idea of true, real life performance under those bright, make everything sparkle flood lights!

 

[Hest88]

Date: 7/9/2007 5:56:04 PM
Author: DiamondDumbie
However, I thought the Ideal Scope and or other higher end equipment can measure and or show how a diamond reflects light (indication of a quality cut).

In addition to what Belle said, although you can use the EC guidelines for an IS, since we really have no idea what the ideal IS image for a Tycoon is, we can''t definitely say if the IS image reflects the ideal light return for a Tycoon.