Tiffany engagement ring questions?

[c-note17]

Hey Everyone,

Thanks for all of your input so far, it has really helped me. After looking into it more I think her ring size is actually between a 5.5 and 6, does this make a big differance? Thanks PSers all of you are really helping me on this one. Btw after reading up Im starting to gain some good info here and Im going to make sure I get all of the stats on the diamond to make sure it scores below a 2.0 on the HCA, Tiffs is gonna think Im a pain, but I''m gonna make them work for my money.

Thanks Again Everyone and Keep it Coming

 

[Isabelle]

My advice doesn''t change. I would go for the H or the I, both of which will look great on a 5.5 size finger. Dude, you are talking about Tiffany here. They have gorgeous diamonds, not junk. And remember you are looking at them in person. You aren''t buying online and going site-unseen. You have a totally different set of tools to work with. Take the rings over to the window and look at them. There is a great post on all these different scoring indicators on another Tiffany thread by a guy named Dan, I think. I do think the AGS system is very helpful, and if it is helpful to use the score each ring gets in making the decision, then go for it. But I would use your eyes first and foremost in choosing between the rings. If you love them all, get the 1.30, which on a 5.5 finger will look like just a shade under a 1.5. Good luck.

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

Date: 4/28/2008 8:36:23 AM
Author: c-note17
Hey Everyone,

Thanks for all of your input so far, it has really helped me. After looking into it more I think her ring size is actually between a 5.5 and 6, does this make a big differance? Thanks PSers all of you are really helping me on this one. Btw after reading up Im starting to gain some good info here and Im going to make sure I get all of the stats on the diamond to make sure it scores below a 2.0 on the HCA, Tiffs is gonna think Im a pain, but I''m gonna make them work for my money.

Thanks Again Everyone and Keep it Coming

Hey C - watch out!

You can see these stones at the store and there are "issues" w/ HCA (read/search past threads).

Garry and I recently discussed this in the Tiifany is cheaper thread. HCA does not take into account........

Read TYcob''s ex. if this is how you''re going to go though.

Many complexities to HCA and an accurate way to select diamonds.

 

[Isabelle]

I agree with Lisa. The thread she and I are referring to is entitled "Is Tiffany really that much more expensive?". There is so much to consider. You will do yourself a disservice if you ignore your eyes, and go with a "score". You aren''t buying online, so you have a great advantage in being able to see first hand what you are purchasing. That''s an invaluable tool.

 

[slmulkey]

I''d go for the "F" or the "H". Just look at them side by side and see which one looks best to you. That''s what I would do. The H is not going to look "yellow", but yeah, its not going to be as bright of a white as the H.

 

[c-note17]

Lisa I''ve got a question for you. Sentimental attachment aside (if thats possible), would you choose a 1.16 H or 1.31 I over your 1.01F. If not why?

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

Date: 4/28/2008 7:16:27 PM
Author: c-note17
Lisa I''ve got a question for you. Sentimental attachment aside (if thats possible), would you choose a 1.16 H or 1.31 I over your 1.01F. If not why?

Hi C, hmmmm....that''s a toughie.

You got me beween a rock and, well, a rock.

Are the specs on both the same? Symm & Polish?

If the same then I would choose the higher color.

If larger stone had better cut then I would really start dissecting (IS images, etc.) and personally view them to gauge color differential.

Difference in color of G from F was noticeable to me in the store''s dim viewing area. I still notice a little warmth in my F now and again when viewed from the side especially.

But I''m just strange that way and have OCD and still want a whiter rock.

Size over quality? Quality for me anyday! There''s always that upgrade down the road.

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

It''s been a long day - just realized you were asking me about size.

Duh!!!

Nope still would take my F for the reasons already stated.

Now if it was a G you were offering then I might have to get to the nitty gritty.

Also, my finger size is 4.25 and 1 ct. looks proportional at this point (DSS notwithstanding).

 

[iluvcarats]

I don''t know if you and your GF are into antique/estate, but I came across this one from newyorkestatejewelry.com and thought it was really beautiful

Sorry if I am complicating things.....

 

[c-note17]

Ok here comes the nitty gritty. I went again yesterday and looked at a few of the rings that they had in for me. Now I''m down to 2, the 1.17 H VS2 and 1.04 F VS2. I don''t know what the specs are on the F color, but the H color ring has Excellent cut"1.7 HCA" but it has "Very Good" on the polish and symmetry, does that matter? I''m waiting to see the F, it is coming in on Saturday but I did get to look at a 1.05 E while I was there so I have an idea of what it will look like, but they are all different. Also, the F is $1000 more.

This is a toughie, let me know your thoughts.

Thanks Everyone

 

[JulieN]

it doesn't matter, so long as you aren't paying the same price as an EX/EX.

 

[Gypsy]

At Tiffany''s H. At WF or GOG? I.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 5/1/2008 6:24:16 PM
Author: Gypsy
At Tiffany''s H. At WF or GOG? I.

Ditto! I''d rather have the larger H stone. A well cut H looks very white face up and you usually can''t see tint unless you hold it next to a D or E. I''ve never had that happen!

 

[bee*]

I''d go with the H also. My I looks so white so I''d definitely get the H so you can get the larger stone.

 

[Imdanny]

I

 

[ringshopper2008]

cnote, sounds like you and I are in the same boat. I have been tossing around the same things - H vs I, and the pricing difference being much larger when you step down in color (thousands) vs when you step down in clarity (hundreds) - I definitely appreciate all who have contributed to this thread, as I am soaking in as much information as possible as I make my decision!

 

[Isabelle]

I agree with Bee. I would get the "H", though I do think an "F" color diamond is pretty special. Maybe they won''t look that different in size, b/c 13 points isn''t that much. In that case, you could get the F if you are concerned about resale value later on down the road. I assume an F would sell for more than an H which probably explains why the F is priced at $1000.00 more. What is the HCA on the F?

 

[Isabelle]

One other thing that might be helpful. I got this excerpt from a GIA article on RB cut. I think it has a lot of relevance here:

"One of the oldest pieces of advice in the diamond industry is: "You should always see and evaluate the diamond with your own eyes." The relationship between numbers (i.e., proportion measurements) and visual appearance is still not fully understood. It is one of the aspects of diamond appearance that GIA is currently studying."

 

[tberube]

Knowing me, I''d go with the I-color. I have an I color and it''s very icy-white. And big is always great. Heh.

 

[c-note17]

Date: 5/2/2008 11:23:19 AM
Author: Isabelle
I agree with Bee. I would get the ''H'', though I do think an ''F'' color diamond is pretty special. Maybe they won''t look that different in size, b/c 13 points isn''t that much. In that case, you could get the F if you are concerned about resale value later on down the road. I assume an F would sell for more than an H which probably explains why the F is priced at $1000.00 more. What is the HCA on the F?

The HCA on the F is 2.5 and the report is Ex Cut, Ex Symmetry, and Ex Polish

 

[Isabelle]

Date: 5/2/2008 7:33:36 PM
Author: c-note17

Date: 5/2/2008 11:23:19 AM

Author: Isabelle

I agree with Bee. I would get the ''H'', though I do think an ''F'' color diamond is pretty special. Maybe they won''t look that different in size, b/c 13 points isn''t that much. In that case, you could get the F if you are concerned about resale value later on down the road. I assume an F would sell for more than an H which probably explains why the F is priced at $1000.00 more. What is the HCA on the F?

The HCA on the F is 2.5 and the report is Ex Cut, Ex Symmetry, and Ex Polish

Well as that GIA article discusses, there are too many variables in a diamond''s appearance in order to rely solely on numbers as a guide. They both are good diamonds from a numbers standpoint, so really it depends on which one looks prettier to you. Did the F look visibly smaller than the H? When you brought them over to the window, how did they look to you? Just get the one you like better based on visual appearance, and you will be glad you did. I have a 1.15 ct. H by the way, and I have always been really happy with it. It needs a new setting, but I love the stone itself.

 

[Isabelle]

Another relevant excerpt from that same GIA article:

"This brings us back to the question of cut evaluation and worth. Proportion measurements of a diamond do not automatically translate into a direct measure of appearance. There has not yet been sufficient scientific testing of different cut proportions (either on actual diamonds or with computer modeling) to support the assertion that any one set of proportions is the absolute best performer in terms of brilliance, fire, scintillation, or a combination of all three. More research will be needed before the trade reaches this point."

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

Isabelle awaesome quotes - gets right to the heart of the matter.

C-note - my F scores 2.5 on HCA as well

Stats: F/VS1

Table: 57%
Ttl Depth: 61.9%
CA: 35.2
PA: 40.9
PD: 43.3
LGF: 75%
Girdle: med-slthk
Culet: none

HCA favors smaller CA.

 

[c-note17]

Well everyone,

Thanks for your help with everything I really learned a lot here in my short time. I decided to go with the 1.04 F ring. I went for quality after all. The ring is amazing and I''m sure that she will be pleased. I will post the specs later if anyone is interested.

Thanks again,

 

[Isabelle]

Date: 5/3/2008 7:18:02 PM
Author: c-note17
Well everyone,


Thanks for your help with everything I really learned a lot here in my short time. I decided to go with the 1.04 F ring. I went for quality after all. The ring is amazing and I''m sure that she will be pleased. I will post the specs later if anyone is interested.


Thanks again,

YES! I hope you will post the ring, pre-engagement and then a whole new set of pics once it is on the lucky girl''s hand. CONGRATULATIONS. You have a very special diamond there, and like I said earlier, I can''t imagine that it looks visibly smaller than the H since you are talking about a delta of 13 points. And an "F" color? Wonderful!! Post stats and pics ASAP

 

[icekid]

Date: 5/3/2008 7:18:02 PM
Author: c-note17
Well everyone,

Thanks for your help with everything I really learned a lot here in my short time. I decided to go with the 1.04 F ring. I went for quality after all. The ring is amazing and I''m sure that she will be pleased. I will post the specs later if anyone is interested.

Congrats!! Sounds like you made a lovely choice. Your girl will definitely appreciate all of the thought you put into her ring.

 

[bee*]

Congratulations!! Can''t wait to see the pics.

 

[Dreamgirl]

Please post a few photos for us to see this beauty! Congratulations to you.