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Date: 5/26/2009 7:08:17 PM
Author: AboutToAsk
Any thoughts on this stone?

I am hesitant about the color, will it stand out as yellow in white gold with a halo setting?

http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-infinity&id=633
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In a very well cut stone, the "warmth" is masked. That stone will never look "yellow", not even close. More like a possible winter white, as will any well cut J. Unless one is highly color sensitive, which most people aren't.

It doesn't look bad, but if you're going to go to J, this one gets my vote. Just under the one carat mark, which saves a lot of moolah. But it's facing up the same size. This one is 5.42 vs. 5.43 on the Infinity. And I like the ASET on this one better.
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http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/5816/
 
I am curious what it is you like better about the ASET on the GOG diamond. Other than their color rendition is much better than ours of course. I could tell you the reasons why I disagree, but I am not sure that is appropriate for me to do as the vendor of one of the diamonds, plus I really want to hear your opinion.

I will tell you this though, both of those diamonds ROCK! I would love to see them side by side. In fact they would probably make a KILLER pair of earrings!

Wink
 
Date: 5/26/2009 7:35:39 PM
Author: Wink
I am curious what it is you like better about the ASET on the GOG diamond. Other than their color rendition is much better than ours of course. I could tell you the reasons why I disagree, but I am not sure that is appropriate for me to do as the vendor of one of the diamonds, plus I really want to hear your opinion.


I will tell you this though, both of those diamonds ROCK! I would love to see them side by side. In fact they would probably make a KILLER pair of earrings!


Wink
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The infinity is rather contrasty more so than some of his, some will like it better some wont it is also a 2 chevron vs the gog 3.
The blue in the ASET is showing up as black in the ASET photo which is a common problem which is making the infinity looks leaky when it isn''t.
So you have a combo of a different look and what could be a better taken aset photo.

They would have different personalities as well as looks.
I would not call either one of them bad nor toss em out of consideration. (I don''t like princess cuts so that is high praise)

What is boils down to:
More splintery fire and somewhat less contrasty gog.
Larger fire and more contrasty infinity
 
This ring would be a slight bit of a gamble for you, but it's GORGEOUS. And they give a money back guarantee. I wouldn't normally recommend Costco because they only use IGI certification, BUT this particular ring also comes with a GIA Cert. I've never seen a setting quite like this anywhere else and it's a beautiful vintage design. The nice thing about Costco is you can take it back for a full refund in 90 days at a store (yes, you don't have to mail it back which is nice)

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11103510&whse=BC&topnav=&browse=〈=en-US

ETA: I almost bought this ring for myself recently, but decided to go with the Radiant cut. But it was pretty darn close. Also google the keywords "Tiffany and Costco" and read some recent articles about comparison's done on both of their inventories.
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Either the HPD or the GOG would be excellent choices! Like storm, I personally don't care that much for princess, but have grown to appreciate them, if not love them.

They definitely have different personalities, so you could choose based on that. My personal preference is the HPD stone, because I prefer the slightly chunkier look of the two chevrons.

Many princess fans like the style because of the effect of more numerous virtual facets, so something like the GOG stone would appeal more to them. Which style do you think your gf would like better?

Both are beautifully cut stones and your gf will be the envy of all her friends with either.
 
Two things...

When Strm said the HPD has larger fire and more contrast does that equal more sparkle?

And Wink, I honestly wouldn''t mind hearing why you prefer the HPD diamond over the GOG one (other than the obvious connection). If you don''t feel comfortable posting it because you''re the vendor perhaps you can send me an e-mail or PM.

Thanks again for all the help everyone. I think I''ve decided to go slightly lower on the color (J) to stay where I want to in terms of size and cut.
 
Date: 5/28/2009 8:41:30 AM
Author: AboutToAsk
Two things...

When Strm said the HPD has larger fire and more contrast does that equal more sparkle?

And Wink, I honestly wouldn't mind hearing why you prefer the HPD diamond over the GOG one (other than the obvious connection). If you don't feel comfortable posting it because you're the vendor perhaps you can send me an e-mail or PM.

Thanks again for all the help everyone. I think I've decided to go slightly lower on the color (J) to stay where I want to in terms of size and cut.
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The differing patterns of the two diamonds means that the HPD will have larger flashes of fire, but they will be fewer in number/frequency. The GOG stone will have more frequent smaller flashes of fire. I believe the same would apply to the sparkle. So it is not a case of more or less sparkle and fire, but the overall look of the effects.

Storm can correct me if I'm wrong.

EDT: I can't speak for Wink, but one of the reasons I really like that diamond is the great edge light return. If you look at the ASET, you will see red on all four edges--I haven't seen that much in princess. Well cut stones have excellent corner to corner light performance shown as red in the image, but most of the time the edges show green. Green is still reflected light, it just isn't as intense. The overall ASET image for that diamond shows amazing amounts of direct light reflection.
 
Date: 5/28/2009 8:41:30 AM
Author: AboutToAsk
Two things...

When Strm said the HPD has larger fire and more contrast does that equal more sparkle?

And Wink, I honestly wouldn''t mind hearing why you prefer the HPD diamond over the GOG one (other than the obvious connection). If you don''t feel comfortable posting it because you''re the vendor perhaps you can send me an e-mail or PM.

Thanks again for all the help everyone. I think I''ve decided to go slightly lower on the color (J) to stay where I want to in terms of size and cut.
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Technically it means that there will be more eye visible scintillation events. With the three chevron pattern of the pavilion there will be few if any medium to large events and both diamonds will have thousands of scintillation events that are below the ability of the human eye to discerne. If you have some extra time you can go look at this video:

http://www.screencast.com/t/TX0rrf4tqG8

In it Peter Yantser gives us some incredible information from their ongoing research into diamond cutting and how it affects the beauty of a diamond.

Wink
 
Date: 5/28/2009 8:41:30 AM
Author: AboutToAsk
Two things...

When Strm said the HPD has larger fire and more contrast does that equal more sparkle?

And Wink, I honestly wouldn''t mind hearing why you prefer the HPD diamond over the GOG one (other than the obvious connection). If you don''t feel comfortable posting it because you''re the vendor perhaps you can send me an e-mail or PM.

Thanks again for all the help everyone. I think I''ve decided to go slightly lower on the color (J) to stay where I want to in terms of size and cut.
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I think it might be more correct to state that I prefer the ASET of my diamond over the ASET of Jonathon''s diamond, as I would need to see both diamonds side by side to confirm what I believe I am seeing. I also believe that since you ask I can respond, but if I am incorrect the moderator will kindly remove this post.

I have made a side by side comparrison below of the two ASET images. I have given a couple of things I like better about the Infinity diamond''s ASET image and one that I like better about the GOG diamond''s ASET image. I reiterate that I believe both will be beautiful diamonds, both FAR superior to 99% of the princess cut diamonds that you will see in stores or on the Internet.

I also believe that Jonathon is doing a great job with the color saturation of his photos, it makes the image look very pleasing to the eye.

Wink

P.S. Jon, please feel free to jump in to this discussion also. I believe this is great discussion for us to be having and it relates directly to the article that John Pollard just had published about how diamonds in the same cut grade can have slight to large differences of appearance depending on cutting. I definietly believe that the cut quality of both of these diamonds warrants the AGS 0 cut grade that they have received and I hope our readers understand now that we are discussing very minute nuances.

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Date: 5/28/2009 10:52:29 AM
Author: jet2ks

Date: 5/28/2009 8:41:30 AM
Author: AboutToAsk
Two things...

When Strm said the HPD has larger fire and more contrast does that equal more sparkle?

And Wink, I honestly wouldn''t mind hearing why you prefer the HPD diamond over the GOG one (other than the obvious connection). If you don''t feel comfortable posting it because you''re the vendor perhaps you can send me an e-mail or PM.

Thanks again for all the help everyone. I think I''ve decided to go slightly lower on the color (J) to stay where I want to in terms of size and cut.
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The differing patterns of the two diamonds means that the HPD will have larger flashes of fire, but they will be fewer in number/frequency. The GOG stone will have more frequent smaller flashes of fire. I believe the same would apply to the sparkle. So it is not a case of more or less sparkle and fire, but the overall look of the effects.

Storm can correct me if I''m wrong.

EDT: I can''t speak for Wink, but one of the reasons I really like that diamond is the great edge light return. If you look at the ASET, you will see red on all four edges--I haven''t seen that much in princess. Well cut stones have excellent corner to corner light performance shown as red in the image, but most of the time the edges show green. Green is still reflected light, it just isn''t as intense. The overall ASET image for that diamond shows amazing amounts of direct light reflection.
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I would need Peter to weigh in to be absolutely sure, but I believe you are on the right path here in some respects. Both diamonds will have thousands of what the AGS (at this point arbitrarily) refers to as inconsequential light events. The GOG diamond will have more of these than the Infinity diamond and the GOG diamond will have fewer medium to large events than the Infinity diamond. So while the GOG will have more of the small and inconsequential light events, it will have fewer of the medium events and very few, if any of the large events as described in the video referred to above. (By the way, that discussion was of rounds, but the same factors apply to the princess cuts.)

Your comments about the red on the edges is in concordance with my opinion about the ASET images. That is the problem with spending an hour preparing a post, things get said that have already just been said. Nice catch on that, it appears you have been doing your homework!

Wink
 
Date: 5/26/2009 7:35:39 PM
Author: Wink
I am curious what it is you like better about the ASET on the GOG diamond. Other than their color rendition is much better than ours of course. I could tell you the reasons why I disagree, but I am not sure that is appropriate for me to do as the vendor of one of the diamonds, plus I really want to hear your opinion.

I will tell you this though, both of those diamonds ROCK! I would love to see them side by side. In fact they would probably make a KILLER pair of earrings!

Wink
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Wink, I think it would be rather hard to disagree with what I personally like.
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I have thought long about responding in this thread. It struck me wrong that a vendor was questioning me and my opinions, about one of their own products. And I feel even more uneasy that you've now posted side by side pics and gone into great detail on why you think your stone is better. If this can go on, why are we, the prosumers even here? Seems the vendors can make their own recommendatoins, no?


To the OP, all I'll say is, there's more overall red in the GOG stone. I'd rather have more intense light return overall, than be able to say there's a "tad" more on the edges. But that's just me!
 
Ellen, thanks for your input and help. I do feel that I have to defend Wink here if only because he was not going to do a side by side comparison on the ASETs until I asked him why he preferred the ASET of the HPD stone over the GOG stone. In terms of whether or not he should have responded to your first post about the GOG stone, I have no real opinion and wouldn''t be comfortable offering it anyway (given my newbie status).

I can honestly say that I found all posts responding to my questions helpful and informative and haven''t felt pressured to buy one diamond over the other. I do believe that I will be going with GOG stone if more for economic reasons than any other. I don''t feel I can justify spending around $1,000 more on a diamond that may only be marginally superior.

Once again thanks to everyone who has posted and provided me with answers. I am not sure how I would be faring without the help I have found on this forum.

Back to more practical mattters...

After choosing the stone and setting, my next step would be to contact both vendors and purchase them obviously. When purchasing the setting will the vendor ask me the size and dimensions of the diamond I have purchased? Do I receive the setting and forward it to the diamond vendor to have the stone set? I guess I am little unsure of how to proceed now.
 
I believe GOG is a Ritani dealer. I would have them order the setting and set the stone for you, since you are buying the diamond from them. It will make the process a lot easier on you, as they will be sure to get the right dimensions for the stone and the diamond will be covered in the very rare case of it being damaged during the setting process.

Best of luck to you and please come back with pictures of the finished product.
 
Date: 5/28/2009 12:37:28 PM
Author: AboutToAsk
Ellen, thanks for your input and help. I do feel that I have to defend Wink here if only because he was not going to do a side by side comparison on the ASETs until I asked him why he preferred the ASET of the HPD stone over the GOG stone. In terms of whether or not he should have responded to your first post about the GOG stone, I have no real opinion and wouldn''t be comfortable offering it anyway (given my newbie status).

I can honestly say that I found all posts responding to my questions helpful and informative and haven''t felt pressured to buy one diamond over the other. I do believe that I will be going with GOG stone if more for economic reasons than any other. I don''t feel I can justify spending around $1,000 more on a diamond that may only be marginally superior.

Once again thanks to everyone who has posted and provided me with answers. I am not sure how I would be faring without the help I have found on this forum.

Back to more practical mattters...

After choosing the stone and setting, my next step would be to contact both vendors and purchase them obviously. When purchasing the setting will the vendor ask me the size and dimensions of the diamond I have purchased? Do I receive the setting and forward it to the diamond vendor to have the stone set? I guess I am little unsure of how to proceed now.
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ATA, I appreciate your defending Wink, and I understand you meant no harm. I also realize since you''re new, that you may not be aware of the forum policies. They are in the link provided, and there are certain rules for the trade. In particular are a couple that I feel were breached here. One before you requested info, and one in the response to that request.

http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/faq.asp?mode=policy

2. e Do not mention your products or services unless requested in the thread by a consumer.

g Please refrain from commenting on other vendor products unless there is obvious misinformation.


These rules are put in place to help serve us all in the best fashion. No harm done, it''s good to have reminders once in awhile.
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And Jet is correct on GOG being a Ritani dealer, so I think his suggestion would be the best/easiet approach. That ring''s going to be gorgeous!
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And you''re very welcome.
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I recently became aware of another diamond and was hoping for opinions on the ASET.

The specs:

Princess Cut

5.60 x 5.59 x 3.99

Color: H
Clarity: VS2
Weight: 1.053 cts.
Cut: AGS 0
Price: $3,450

Here is the ASET...honestly it doesn''t look like it would be as brilliant to me because there seems to be less red but I wanted to see what more experienced eyes said. Thanks.

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Date: 5/28/2009 5:32:48 PM
Author: AboutToAsk

Here is the ASET...honestly it doesn''t look like it would be as brilliant to me because there seems to be less red but I wanted to see what more experienced eyes said. Thanks.
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Nailed it!
 
Date: 5/28/2009 5:36:05 PM
Author: jet2ks

Date: 5/28/2009 5:32:48 PM
Author: AboutToAsk

Here is the ASET...honestly it doesn''t look like it would be as brilliant to me because there seems to be less red but I wanted to see what more experienced eyes said. Thanks.
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Nailed it!
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With a hamma!
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Im going to have to back Ellen.

The first post I gave Wink the benifit of the doubt but the others are over the line.
Some of it is even not correct.

I am not sure if I should correct it or not at this point.
 
Date: 5/28/2009 5:32:48 PM
Author: AboutToAsk
I recently became aware of another diamond and was hoping for opinions on the ASET.


The specs:


Princess Cut


5.60 x 5.59 x 3.99


Color: H

Clarity: VS2

Weight: 1.053 cts.

Cut: AGS 0

Price: $3,450


Here is the ASET...honestly it doesn''t look like it would be as brilliant to me because there seems to be less red but I wanted to see what more experienced eyes said. Thanks.
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yep to much green
 
I would prefer to see more red in this ASET.
 
Date: 5/28/2009 12:09:21 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 5/26/2009 7:35:39 PM
Author: Wink
I am curious what it is you like better about the ASET on the GOG diamond. Other than their color rendition is much better than ours of course. I could tell you the reasons why I disagree, but I am not sure that is appropriate for me to do as the vendor of one of the diamonds, plus I really want to hear your opinion.

I will tell you this though, both of those diamonds ROCK! I would love to see them side by side. In fact they would probably make a KILLER pair of earrings!

Wink
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Wink, I think it would be rather hard to disagree with what I personally like.
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I have thought long about responding in this thread. It struck me wrong that a vendor was questioning me and my opinions, about one of their own products. And I feel even more uneasy that you''ve now posted side by side pics and gone into great detail on why you think your stone is better. If this can go on, why are we, the prosumers even here? Seems the vendors can make their own recommendatoins, no?


To the OP, all I''ll say is, there''s more overall red in the GOG stone. I''d rather have more intense light return overall, than be able to say there''s a ''tad'' more on the edges. But that''s just me!
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You are correct and I apologise. I was attempting to ask why you had your opinion and did so poorly. Please accept my apology.

Wink
 
Date: 5/29/2009 11:52:49 AM
Author: Wink

You are correct and I apologise. I was attempting to ask why you had your opinion and did so poorly. Please accept my apology.

Wink
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Thank you Wink, consider it done.
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Well, the ring is ordered. I went with the Ritani setting and the Good Old Gold diamond first suggested by Stone-Cold. Hopefully I''ll have some pics to post in two to three weeks. Thanks everyone for the help.
 
Congrats! That''s going to be such a pretty ring, please start a new thread in SMTR when you get iit!
 
Just a quick update:

The ring came in and is absolutely gorgeous. It honestly is nicer than I expected. The girlfriend said yes to my proposal and we have since sent the ring back to GOG to have it sent to Ritani because I ordered the wrong size.

I do have a question though, how do you take pictures of a ring? Before I sent it back I wanted to take a couple of photos and start a thread on the SMTR forum but couldn''t get my camera to focus correctly. Does anyone have any tips? It is a Sony digital camera, 10.1 MP. Thanks for the help.
 
set it to macro mode. Best if you have a stand or tripod or a very steady hand and use the timer.
 
Date: 6/26/2009 8:24:20 AM
Author: AboutToAsk
Just a quick update:

The ring came in and is absolutely gorgeous. It honestly is nicer than I expected. The girlfriend said yes to my proposal and we have since sent the ring back to GOG to have it sent to Ritani because I ordered the wrong size.

I do have a question though, how do you take pictures of a ring? Before I sent it back I wanted to take a couple of photos and start a thread on the SMTR forum but couldn't get my camera to focus correctly. Does anyone have any tips? It is a Sony digital camera, 10.1 MP. Thanks for the help.
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Ok, use macro mode ( flower icon) on the camera, no flash ( very important) and try to keep both diamond and camera as steady as possible. Try shooting outside with the sun behind you. Also keep trying, diamonds are not easy to photograph well, for example out of 20 pics you might only have one or two good ones but keep trying.

Hope this helps!
 
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