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kangster

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Hi guys and gals,

After many months of searching, I think i might have found the "one" and would like your opinions:

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=7278969792


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Unfortunately I do not have any pictures or Idealscope/ASET images of the stone yet.

HCA score: 0.8

Light return: Excellent
Fire: Excellent
Scintillation: Excellent
Spread: Very good

Thanks! =)2
 
nice stone! the certs looks good to me... except fluorescent is Faint but still acceptable..
Waiting for the ASET and Hearts Images :lickout:
 
It looks like it should be a good stone, @kangster - please do post the ASETscope and IdealScope images if/when you receive them.

Would you be happy to post your budget and preferences for the colour/clarity/carat size? We may be able to suggest alternative options.

YoLaL said:
nice stone! the certs looks good to me... except fluorescent is Faint but still acceptable to me..
Waiting for the ASET and Hearts Images :lickout:
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To state that faint flourescence is 'acceptable', without qualifying that statement with reference to one's own tastes, implies that Medium, Strong and Very Strong fluorescence is 'unacceptable', which is untrue.

Only 1 or 2% of VSB fluor stones are negatively impacted by 'oiliness' or 'haziness', as posted on this forum previously - all other levels of fluorescence will have zero negative impacts and therefore fall under 'personal taste' considerations only, in the same way that graded colour preferences are personal taste.

It is a commonly (but incorrectly) held belief by bricks-and-mortar jewellers that all fluorescence is 'bad' - this is likely to be down to the fact that diamonds with fluor historically traded for a higher price than diamonds without fluor, but following the diamonds-as-an-investment bubble and subsequent crash in the 1980s, stones with fluor have never recovered their covetable status. There is no scientific reason for this - it is just 'fashion', in that consumer choices are driven by non-rational decisions and external influences, such as under-educated jewellery store employees repeating inaccurate myths.

Are you a jeweller, @YoLaL?
 
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Hi @OoohShiny
c/o @Lorelei
To all expert here.

My apologies, I have nothing to disclose. I humbly say I'm still a student, still keep learning and like I said I'm just a diamond enthusiast.

Thank you!

P.s. so is it ok now to proceed and allow me to share and give some advice. :mrgreen:

OoohShiny said:
It looks like it should be a good stone, @kangster - please do post the ASETscope and IdealScope images if/when you receive them.

Would you be happy to post your budget and preferences for the colour/clarity/carat size? We may be able to suggest alternative options.



Edited for accuracy.


To state that faint flourescence is 'acceptable', without qualifying that statement with reference to one's own tastes, implies that Medium, Strong and Very Strong fluorescence is 'unacceptable', which is untrue.

Only 1 or 2% of VSB fluor stones are negatively impacted by 'oiliness' or 'haziness', as posted on this forum previously - all other levels of fluorescence will have zero negative impacts and therefore fall under 'personal taste' considerations only, in the same way that graded colour preferences are personal taste.

It is a commonly (but incorrectly) held belief by bricks-and-mortar jewellers that all fluorescence is 'bad' - this is likely to be down to the fact that diamonds with fluor historically traded for a higher price than diamonds without fluor, but following the diamonds-as-an-investment bubble and subsequent crash in the 1980s, stones with fluor have never recovered their covetable status. There is no scientific reason for this - it is just 'fashion', in that consumer choices are driven by non-rational decisions and external influences, such as under-educated jewellery store employees repeating inaccurate myths.

Are you a jeweller, @YoLaL?
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YoLaL said:
Hi @OoohShiny
c/o @Lorelei
To all expert here.

My apologies, I have nothing to disclose. I humbly say I'm still a student, still keep learning and like I said I'm just a diamond enthusiast.

Thank you!

P.s. so is it ok now to proceed and allow me to share and give some advice. :mrgreen:
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Sure and welcome to Pricescope!

Just make sure when you post that you're not scaremongering and offer advice which is accurate, within your realm of knowledge and helpful. Many of the folks here have been posting on the forums and making Pricescope the brilliant resource it is for many years, they take pride in what they do and are responsible with the advice they offer, knowing that large amounts of money and emotions are at stake. If you do the same, you'll get on fine, for example, telling someone the diamond they just bought could break because of a feather if I remember rightly is NOT the way to go.

Some who started off as posters many years ago helping others have now ended up working in the industry and their gratitude and loyalty towards Pricescope, the wealth of experts and fellow posters remains strong.
 
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OoohShiny said:
It looks like it should be a good stone, @kangster - please do post the ASETscope and IdealScope images if/when you receive them.

Would you be happy to post your budget and preferences for the colour/clarity/carat size? We may be able to suggest alternative options.



Edited for accuracy.


To state that faint flourescence is 'acceptable', without qualifying that statement with reference to one's own tastes, implies that Medium, Strong and Very Strong fluorescence is 'unacceptable', which is untrue.

Only 1 or 2% of VSB fluor stones are negatively impacted by 'oiliness' or 'haziness', as posted on this forum previously - all other levels of fluorescence will have zero negative impacts and therefore fall under 'personal taste' considerations only, in the same way that graded colour preferences are personal taste.

It is a commonly (but incorrectly) held belief by bricks-and-mortar jewellers that all fluorescence is 'bad' - this is likely to be down to the fact that diamonds with fluor historically traded for a higher price than diamonds without fluor, but following the diamonds-as-an-investment bubble and subsequent crash in the 1980s, stones with fluor have never recovered their covetable status. There is no scientific reason for this - it is just 'fashion', in that consumer choices are driven by non-rational decisions and external influences, such as under-educated jewellery store employees repeating inaccurate myths.

Are you a jeweller, @YoLaL?
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Hi @OoohShiny, I'm gonna ask the jeweller for the images tomorrow, and will post if available.

My budget is $15,000.00 CAD all in. My "minimum requirements" are the following:
  • Round Diamond
  • F Color
  • VS1 Clarity
  • 1 ct
  • Triple EX
  • GIA certified
The diamond will be on siting on a custom made ring that will look exactly like this, but with diamonds on 3 sides of the band instead of just 1: https://www.instagram.com/p/BeP4bLXAOx6/?taken-by=michaelarthurdiamonds

The diamond I linked was offered to me at $11,300.00 CAD, which I think is a great deal, since other jewellers were offering very similar spec'd diamonds with almost identical HCA scores for $2,000.00 more...

What's also worrying me is that the same exact diamond is being listed for $10,660.00 USD (roughly $13.8K CAD) on: https://brdiamonds.com/1-03ct-round-gia-certified-e-vvs2-diamond-spj137513.html
from a Jeweller in Missouri, when I saw the diamond in person here in Montreal, Quebec Canada yesterday.

I'm not sure if I'm getting a great deal, or if the other jewellers I visited were ripping me off.

Thanks for your help :D
 
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kangster said:
Hi @OoohShiny, I'm gonna ask the jeweller for the images tomorrow, and will post if available.

My budget is $15,000.00 CAD all in. My "minimum requirements" are the following:
  • Round Diamond
  • F Color
  • VS1 Clarity
  • 1 ct
  • Triple EX
  • GIA certified
The diamond will be on siting on a custom made ring that will look exactly like this, but with diamonds on 3 sides of the band instead of just 1: https://www.instagram.com/p/BeP4bLXAOx6/?taken-by=michaelarthurdiamonds

The diamond I linked was offered to me at $11,300.00 CAD, which I think is a great deal, since other jewellers were offering very similar spec'd diamonds with almost identical HCA scores for $2,000.00 more...

What's also worrying me is that the same exact diamond is being listed for $10,660.00 USD (roughly $13.8K CAD) on: https://brdiamonds.com/1-03ct-round-gia-certified-e-vvs2-diamond-spj137513.html
from a Jeweller in Missouri, when I saw the diamond in person here in Montreal, Quebec Canada yesterday.

I'm not sure if I'm getting a great deal, or if the other jewellers I visited were ripping me off.

Thanks for your help :D
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The diamond in question is probably on the main database and is accessible to any jeweller who wants to call it in for a client, that's not unusual and the prices can vary too.
 
Just to check, is that CAD15k including import tax or excluding import tax?
 
Lorelei said:
The diamond in question is probably on the main database and is accessible to any jeweller who wants to call it in for a client, that's not unusual and the prices can vary too.
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Thanks for the reassurance!

OoohShiny said:
Just to check, is that CAD15k including import tax or excluding import tax?
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15K CAD including import taxes(15%), so that equates to roughly 13K CAD pretax.
 
Thank You!:saint:

Lorelei said:
Sure and welcome to Pricescope!

Just make sure when you post that you're not scaremongering and offer advice which is accurate, within your realm of knowledge and helpful. Many of the folks here have been posting on the forums and making Pricescope the brilliant resource it is for many years, they take pride in what they do and are responsible with the advice they offer, knowing that large amounts of money and emotions are at stake. If you do the same, you'll get on fine, for example, telling someone the diamond they just bought could break because of a feather if I remember rightly is NOT the way to go.

Some who started off as posters many years ago helping others have now ended up working in the industry and their gratitude and loyalty towards Pricescope, the wealth of experts and fellow posters remains strong.
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Sorry, I should have asked - you said 15k all in, but is that including the ring itself?

Or do you have separate budget for the ring?

I can't imagine it will be cheap with that much detail on it!


If it is excluding the cost of the ring, these might be of interest, based around your parameters:

  • Round Diamond
  • F Color
  • VS1 Clarity
  • 1 ct
  • Triple EX
  • GIA certified

1.03 D VS2
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD8391

1.02 G VS1
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD9540


Or, to stretch your ideal parameters, how about this? Completely clean table and due to the halo ring design, any tint from the sideview will be hidden!
1.20 H VS2
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD9703

Or this one - will be indistinguishable from a 1ct!
0.98ct F VS1
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD8272
 
Very nice selections Oosh.
 
kangster said:
The diamond will be on siting on a custom made ring that will look exactly like this, but with diamonds on 3 sides of the band instead of just 1: https://www.instagram.com/p/BeP4bLXAOx6/?taken-by=michaelarthurdiamonds
Click to expand...

One note on the setting....if you have diamonds on the sides of the shank - they will "eat" anything your GF wears next to it (other diamonds, gold, platinum, titanium). This is often a problem with finding a wedding band. People end up having to use a 'spacer' band, which is really a sacrificial band to separate the ER from WB. Unless your girl intends to not wear a wedding band, you should very very carefully consider the necessity of those stones.
 
OoohShiny said:
Sorry, I should have asked - you said 15k all in, but is that including the ring itself?

Or do you have separate budget for the ring?

I can't imagine it will be cheap with that much detail on it!


If it is excluding the cost of the ring, these might be of interest, based around your parameters:

  • Round Diamond
  • F Color
  • VS1 Clarity
  • 1 ct
  • Triple EX
  • GIA certified
1.03 D VS2
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD8391

1.02 G VS1
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD9540


Or, to stretch your ideal parameters, how about this? Completely clean table and due to the halo ring design, any tint from the sideview will be hidden!
1.20 H VS2
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD9703

Or this one - will be indistinguishable from a 1ct!
0.98ct F VS1
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD8272
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Hi @OoohShiny,

Thanks for the links, these are amazing finds. They are tad over my budget, which is around 15K CAD with the band included.

The diamond I mentioned above (which i still don't have the idealscope/aset image yet) was offered to me at 11.3K and the custom band (18k gold) at 2k, for a total of 13.3K CAD + tax.

rockysalamander said:
One note on the setting....if you have diamonds on the sides of the shank - they will "eat" anything your GF wears next to it (other diamonds, gold, platinum, titanium). This is often a problem with finding a wedding band. People end up having to use a 'spacer' band, which is really a sacrificial band to separate the ER from WB. Unless your girl intends to not wear a wedding band, you should very very carefully consider the necessity of those stones.
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Thanks for the advice, I haven't even thought or knew about this!
I will let my GF know, and she will have the final say.

I really appreciate all your help guys/gals :).
 
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Ok, so 11500 CAD works out around 9000 USD - I haven't got time today to look for any options (stupid work getting in the way of more fun things ;)) ) but I'm sure others will be able to assist in the meantime!
 
 
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