Thoughts on these stones and alternatives

[Niel]

Seems white. And eye clean. Nice size. I think it looks nice. How does ERD feel about it? How do you?

 

[Lenovo]

Seems white. And eye clean. Nice size. I think it looks nice. How does ERD feel about it? How do you?

ERD quote "This looks like a winner at over 2."

I am not sure. How does it look to u? To be honest, they all look same to me, unless they are yellow!!
I think I may need to go bigger...like 2.5 and up the budget for the stone a bit
I am thinking just go big or go home! Or does that not apply to diamonds?
Is this one better overall than the ones Phoneix was selling ? The 2.3 ct Bgd stones

 

[Niel]

Well I'm a supporter of sticking to your budget. Was it set for a reason? Do you really feel comfortable paying more?

I mean a 2 ct stone in a stone that's perfection vs a stone that's larger but a setting that isn't? I don't know. (Assuming you'd have to take some from the setting. )

 

[diamondseeker2006]

You are going to be waaay over budget if you start looking at stones much over 2 cts.

What is the clarity and price of the stone at ERD? I still think you should stick with I SI1. The one I linked from GOG is now reserved and then there is the one from WF:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2936493.htm ($18,913)

I still like this one and it could absolutely appear as large as her friend's 2 ct stones because theirs may not be as well cut.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10549/

I'd just go with the ERD cast setting for the GOG stone.

I'd go with this for the WF stone and it is only $2250:

http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/diamond-settings/elena-diamond-engagement-ring-1363.htm

 

[Niel]

You are going to be waaay over budget if you start looking at stones much over 2 cts.

What is the clarity and price of the stone at ERD? I still think you should stick with I SI1. The one I linked from GOG is now reserved and then there is the one from WF:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2936493.htm ($18,913)

I still like this one and it could absolutely appear as large as her friend's 2 ct stones because theirs may not be as well cut.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10549/

I'd just go with the ERD cast setting for the GOG stone.

I'd go with this for the WF stone and it is only $2250:

http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/diamond-settings/elena-diamond-engagement-ring-1363.htm

if i remember right its si1 and was under 15k. I think its a very nice price for the size and cut.


Im partial to that stone because it hits the 2ct make that you need, and is thousands cheaper, so it would allow you to get the best setting you could. I might suggest getting it home unset and see if you like the color and if the stone is eye clean. Id ask ERD if they would pay to ship it back after you get a look at it, if you arent in NYC. Or, sense this stone is a nice price, you could afford to get it home then set from SK or VC

 

[Lenovo]

!

Well I'm a supporter of sticking to your budget. Was it set for a reason? Do you really feel comfortable paying more?

I mean a 2 ct stone in a stone that's perfection vs a stone that's larger but a setting that isn't? I don't know. (Assuming you'd have to take some from the setting. )

Thanks. So am I as it goes to budgets, but the more I research diamonds, the more I want to get a bigger, sparkly one!
I figured if this is a one time deal, so might as well go all out.

 

[Lenovo]

You are going to be waaay over budget if you start looking at stones much over 2 cts.

What is the clarity and price of the stone at ERD? I still think you should stick with I SI1. The one I linked from GOG is now reserved and then there is the one from WF:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2936493.htm ($18,913)

I still like this one and it could absolutely appear as large as her friend's 2 ct stones because theirs may not be as well cut.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10549/

I'd just go with the ERD cast setting for the GOG stone.

I'd go with this for the WF stone and it is only $2250:

http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/diamond-settings/elena-diamond-engagement-ring-1363.htm

if i remember right its si1 and was under 15k. I think its a very nice price for the size and cut.


Im partial to that stone because it hits the 2ct make that you need, and is thousands cheaper, so it would allow you to get the best setting you could. I might suggest getting it home unset and see if you like the color and if the stone is eye clean. Id ask ERD if they would pay to ship it back after you get a look at it, if you arent in NYC. Or, sense this stone is a nice price, you could afford to get it home then set from SK or VC

Thanks Niel.
I really appreciate your input and from all others as well.

Just trying to see if I up the budget a little that maybe I can get 2.5 in there.

 

[Niel]

Re: !

Well I'm a supporter of sticking to your budget. Was it set for a reason? Do you really feel comfortable paying more?

I mean a 2 ct stone in a stone that's perfection vs a stone that's larger but a setting that isn't? I don't know. (Assuming you'd have to take some from the setting. )

Thanks. So am I as it goes to budgets, but the more I research diamonds, the more I want to get a bigger, sparkly one!
I figured if this is a one time deal, so might as well go all out.

Honestly 2 ct is large. And you're looking at well cut diamonds so it will sparkle. And the setting is going to be amazing. Get the best thing you can for your budget. Don't stress yourself out abut getting the biggest diamond in the world. Someone will always have a bigger one.

 

[Lenovo]

Re: !

Well I'm a supporter of sticking to your budget. Was it set for a reason? Do you really feel comfortable paying more?

I mean a 2 ct stone in a stone that's perfection vs a stone that's larger but a setting that isn't? I don't know. (Assuming you'd have to take some from the setting. )

Thanks. So am I as it goes to budgets, but the more I research diamonds, the more I want to get a bigger, sparkly one!
I figured if this is a one time deal, so might as well go all out.

Honestly 2 ct is large. And you're looking at well cut diamonds so it will sparkle. And the setting is going to be amazing. Get the best thing you can for your budget. Don't stress yourself out abut getting the biggest diamond in the world. Someone will always have a bigger one.

Ya?
She is a size 5.
Is 2 carat going to be eye popping and make her happy?
She does not know much about diamonds - except that she likes big and sparkly ones...

 

[Niel]

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/matatora%E2%80%99s-lockes-solitaire.43506/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/matatora%E2%80%99s-lockes-solitaire.43506/[/URL]

Look at this thread. A 2.1 ish ct stone in a J color. Her finger size if I'm right was about 5 3/4 if in not mistaken.

Filled with people telling her how huge it looks

A size 5 is small. That will help the stone look even larger.

Just don't stress about size. Sure 2 ct is a dime a dozen on this site so it seems common but it's not. It's large. And I'm sure anything you get her she will love. Don't go more than your comfortable budget wise just to get a 2.5 or something. And a 2.25 won't look that much bigger than a 2 ct anyways.

 

[Lenovo]

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/matatora%E2%80%99s-lockes-solitaire.43506/

Look at this thread. A 2.1 ish ct stone in a J color. Her finger size if I'm right was about 5 3/4 if in not mistaken.

Filled with people telling her how huge it looks

A size 5 is small. That will help the stone look even larger.

Just don't stress about size. Sure 2 ct is a dime a dozen on this site so it seems common but it's not. It's large. And I'm sure anything you get her she will love. Don't go more than your comfortable budget wise just to get a 2.5 or something. And a 2.25 won't look that much bigger than a 2 ct anyways.

Thanks!
Your advice is rock solid. I think I am going to stop stressing over this thing and just go for it.
Her birthday in mid april, so I think I will wait a little more just to see if anything else pops up, either new or pre-loved.

BTW, I was browsing for comparisons to the 2.12 J/Si1 you picked out from ERD with the ASET and magnified pic above. I think that one is around 15K. I came across the following:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2956214.htm

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.226-j-si1-round-diamond-ags-104068814002

Is there any comparison to the one you posted from ERD earlier?

 

[Niel]

Keep in mind you'll have to allow yourself some time for the setting to be made. If you go hand forged, that's time.

I like both of those but of course they are more $$$

But that WF one plus the CAD ERD setting - how off budget is that?

 

[Lenovo]

Keep in mind you'll have to allow yourself some time for the setting to be made. If you go hand forged, that's time.

I like both of those but of course they are more $$$

But that WF one plus the CAD ERD setting - how off budget is that?

As per Mark from ERD, should take about 3 weeks to complete either CAD or hand-forged.

True. More money for sure Neil.
The one above from WF is 18118 plus add in about 3K for the CAD. Total is about 21K. It's doable.

Are there any other comparable stones that I should consider?

 

[Lenovo]

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.226-j-si1-round-diamond-ags-104068814002

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.288-i-si2-round-diamond-ags-104064814015

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.31-carat-j-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-178815

Getting more and more expensive though...

Add about 3K to each one for the total project budget...

 

[Niel]

so. Its 2 cts. BUT

its an I, its VS1, and its has strong fluor, which will make it look whiter in UV light. ( plus SBF iMHO is a super cool phenomenon)

http://www.ritani.com/diamonds/round-diamond-2-01-Carat-I-color-GIA-certified/D-DS5305

Id want them to look at it and make sure the fluor doesnt have negative effects but worth an inquiry.

 

[Niel]

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.226-j-si1-round-diamond-ags-104068814002

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.288-i-si2-round-diamond-ags-104064814015

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.31-carat-j-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-178815

Getting more and more expensive though...

Add about 3K to each one for the total project budget...

i like that JA one. It seems to be a whter J, and it has a nice clarity, and fat arrows, which my eye is partial too. Plus, it gives slightly broader flashes with fat arrows.

 

[Lenovo]

so. Its 2 cts. BUT

its an I, its VS1, and its has strong fluor, which will make it look whiter in UV light. ( plus SBF iMHO is a super cool phenomenon)

http://www.ritani.com/diamonds/round-diamond-2-01-Carat-I-color-GIA-certified/D-DS5305

Id want them to look at it and make sure the fluor doesnt have negative effects but worth an inquiry.

Ok.
What should I inquire about exactly?

 

[Niel]

so. Its 2 cts. BUT

its an I, its VS1, and its has strong fluor, which will make it look whiter in UV light. ( plus SBF iMHO is a super cool phenomenon)

http://www.ritani.com/diamonds/round-diamond-2-01-Carat-I-color-GIA-certified/D-DS5305

Id want them to look at it and make sure the fluor doesnt have negative effects but worth an inquiry.

Ok.
What should I inquire about exactly?

as for a picture, maybe. See what they say about the fluorescence.

 

[Lenovo]

so. Its 2 cts. BUT

its an I, its VS1, and its has strong fluor, which will make it look whiter in UV light. ( plus SBF iMHO is a super cool phenomenon)

http://www.ritani.com/diamonds/round-diamond-2-01-Carat-I-color-GIA-certified/D-DS5305

Id want them to look at it and make sure the fluor doesnt have negative effects but worth an inquiry.

Ok.
What should I inquire about exactly?

as for a picture, maybe. See what they say about the fluorescence.

Ok.
I will report back.

I also found this on WF:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2988587.htm

 

[Lenovo]

so. Its 2 cts. BUT

its an I, its VS1, and its has strong fluor, which will make it look whiter in UV light. ( plus SBF iMHO is a super cool phenomenon)

http://www.ritani.com/diamonds/round-diamond-2-01-Carat-I-color-GIA-certified/D-DS5305

Id want them to look at it and make sure the fluor doesnt have negative effects but worth an inquiry.

Ok.
What should I inquire about exactly?

as for a picture, maybe. See what they say about the fluorescence.

Ok.
I will report back.

I also found this on WF:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2988587.htm

So now I have a virtual gemologist appointment with these guys on Tuesday.

It is for half hour, so tell me what to inquire about/ask.

 

[Lenovo]

Asked the virtual gemologist a lot of questions about the ritani stone.
She was really nice and informative.
Essentially told me to stay away if I have not seen very strong fluorescence.

Still searching...

 

[teobdl]

Asked the virtual gemologist a lot of questions about the ritani stone.
She was really nice and informative.
Essentially told me to stay away if I have not seen very strong fluorescence.

Still searching...

Did she clarify what she meant by that? Was she saying that the stone in question was milky or hazy??? Something like 99% of diamonds with fluorescence will just have a different color in certain lighting (usually turning blue-ish). Lots of people like this. Otherwise, there are no ill effects, at least not that I'm aware of.

Blue fluoro info: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/brian-gavins-blue-diamonds-with-fluorescence/

You are getting a bonus discount with fluoro, as long as there is no milky or haziness.

 

[Lenovo]

Asked the virtual gemologist a lot of questions about the ritani stone.
She was really nice and informative.
Essentially told me to stay away if I have not seen very strong fluorescence.

Still searching...

Did she clarify what she meant by that? Was she saying that the stone in question was milky or hazy??? Something like 99% of diamonds with fluorescence will just have a different color in certain lighting (usually turning blue-ish). Lots of people like this. Otherwise, there are no ill effects, at least not that I'm aware of.

Blue fluoro info: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/brian-gavins-blue-diamonds-with-fluorescence/

You are getting a bonus discount with fluoro, as long as there is no milky or haziness.

She said the diamond is not milky or hazy, BUT since I have not seen fluorescence in person, it may turn out to be a detriment. She stated that, in her opinion, stones with very strong fluorescence are disliked by many. I guess she was trying to steer me away from something that I may not be happy with...but she also said only a very small number of stones turn hazy and milky with fluorescence. She also said that in the shade like on a cloudy day, the fluorescence may not be flattering at all.

 

[Mayk]

Asked the virtual gemologist a lot of questions about the ritani stone.
She was really nice and informative.
Essentially told me to stay away if I have not seen very strong fluorescence.

Still searching...

Did she clarify what she meant by that? Was she saying that the stone in question was milky or hazy??? Something like 99% of diamonds with fluorescence will just have a different color in certain lighting (usually turning blue-ish). Lots of people like this. Otherwise, there are no ill effects, at least not that I'm aware of.

Blue fluoro info: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/brian-gavins-blue-diamonds-with-fluorescence/

You are getting a bonus discount with fluoro, as long as there is no milky or haziness.

She said the diamond is not milky or hazy, BUT since I have not seen fluorescence in person, it may turn out to be a detriment. She stated that, in her opinion, stones with very strong fluorescence are disliked by many. I guess she was trying to steer me away from something that I may not be happy with...but she also said only a very small number of stones turn hazy and milky with fluorescence. She also said that in the shade like on a cloudy day, the fluorescence may not be flattering at all.

I love mine! It's a BGB! It's amazing in the sun!

 

[teobdl]

Youtube has some good real life vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lzkPLyqZVg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwWkS8cAPgM

Garry Holloway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdkZaX_325Q talking about them. Then a 5 ct honker with strong blue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67LYS4JGiRw&list=PLAA88397ABFEF9799

 

[Niel]

In so surprised by that comment from ritani.

Fluor only has any effect in UV light and when it does it only makes it look white. Very strong cases make it have a slight blue hue. ALmost like a glow. But almost. Get it home and see for yourself? Did she like it otherwise?

Here's a stone with the strongest effect I've seen. I find it beautiful.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/brian-gavin-blue-1-23-i-si1-in-size-3-5-demarco-pillow-halo.187548/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/brian-gavin-blue-1-23-i-si1-in-size-3-5-demarco-pillow-halo.187548/[/URL]

 

[Gypsy]

I'll tell you the truth.

I love Fluorescence. I wish my stone had some. I wish it had very strong blue, honestly.

But you really don't notice it unless it's in direct day light.

THAT SAID. If I were buying a stone for someone else, I may not buy one with Strong Blue. Not because it isn't lovely and special. I definitely do think so. But the trade perception (though flawed) is a negative one, and I wouldn't want the recipient not liking the affect, or thinking that it is an inferior stone because of it.

So while I agree that I love it. I can make that choice FOR MYSELF. And I can tell people shopping for themselves to make it. But for a person shopping for a gift. I can see being conservative and staying to Medium Blue and less on a gift.

 

[Lenovo]

I was kind of surprised she said that too.

I jus emailed her and she is going to ask the vendor to physically look at the diamond and to see whether the blue has any negative effects on it whatsoever. She will get back to me. Just sucks that they don't provide ASET or any other imaging. I will reply back with her reponse.

I also had another question: when comparing the ritani vs the whiteflash 2.29 I si1 - which one is the better pick? The wf is about 3k more

 

[Gypsy]

It's not a fair comparison. We have a TON of information on the WF stone. And nothing but the certificate on the Ritani.

It's not apple to apples.

 

[Niel]

That WF will be a stunner I'm sure.

You know what I'm goin to say I'm sure. Is it in the budget.