This is what a TIC vs More fire looks like

[jpgas]

Last week I got advice on two diamonds. One was a H&A with a steep crown (35.4/40.7) for more fire. I then also learned that 34.5/40.8 is arguably a perfect combo so I decided to get one with those proportions to compare the two.

The TIC 34.5/40.8 is definitely a well balanced combo that has enough fire and brilliance. I can understand why is a recommended combo. The balance of brilliance and fire looks nice. But it also doesn’t have the most brilliance or most fire. The fire is a bit muted by the extra brilliance.

The other 35.4/40.7 might not be a perfect combo but it still works. It does look a little darker with less brilliance but I think that makes the colors stand out more. It has more fire than it has less brilliance. They both look arguably the same under sunlight, but the 35.4/40.7 definitely has a bit more fire

I just wanted to make this post and share my unexperienced opinion to help any guys like me that are diamond shopping and new to this and wanted a visual of a TIC vs more fire. But I think most diamonds with ideal proportions will look gorgeous and have enough fire and brilliance.

But for the experts in here which do you like more and can you tell which is the TIC and the more fire diamond?

https://imgur.com/a/qooXnrM

 

[HGar]

I know nothing about diamonds but my eyes chose stone on the left.

 

[jpgas]

I know nothing about diamonds but my eyes chose stone on the left.

No worries I’m no expert either. But I thought this could help people visualize the difference. The right has the proportions that are considered a perfect balance of fire (color) and brilliance (white/bright light). The left has a steeper crown angle that helps give more fire. So that’s why you see more color on the left while the right looks a bit brighter

 

[Kim N]

Great comparison, thanks for sharing!

 

[Karl_K]

When comparing them in 200 different lighting conditions you will find over all the difference isn't large.
Also 34.5/40.8 when combined with many different minor facets and table% works well and is a useful reference its not the best at any one thing, it is very well balanced with many combinations of table% and minors.

 

[DejaWiz]

Hello, jpgas!
Saw your post about these diamonds in Reddit.

Here's the link that you provided in one of your replies:

https://imgur.com/a/Bk23I7M

I replied to your Reddit thread:
"In the first video of these extra videos, the left one looks a bit hazy/cloudy - what are the proportions and are these earth grown (does the left one have moderate to heavy clouds, graining, and/or fluorescence) or human grown (is the left one CVD method)?"

Now seeing your post here, that answers the questions of being human grown diamonds and the proportions of the "fiery" option.
Do you know if these are CVD or HPHT, and do you know if there are 360 videos of each so that the finer details of cut precision can be assessed?

 

[jpgas]

Hello, jpgas!
Saw your post about these diamonds in Reddit.

Here's the link that you provided in one of your replies:

https://imgur.com/a/Bk23I7M

I replied to your Reddit thread:
"In the first video of these extra videos, the left one looks a bit hazy/cloudy - what are the proportions and are these earth grown (does the left one have moderate to heavy clouds, graining, and/or fluorescence) or human grown (is the left one CVD method)?"

Now seeing your post here, that answers the questions of being human grown diamonds and the proportions of the "fiery" option.
Do you know if these are CVD or HPHT, and do you know if there are 360 videos of each so that the finer details of cut precision can be assessed?

It’s a lab diamond. Here is a link to the TIC which should be the left in these clips, it should have all the info you need. But it does look a bit hazy. I just thought that was extra brilliance that made it look more white or silver. The right is the 35.4/40.7 you helped me with last week.

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[DejaWiz]

It’s a lab diamond. Here is a link to the TIC which should be the left in these clips, it should have all the info you need. But it does look a bit hazy. I just thought that was extra brilliance that made it look more white or silver. The right is the 35.4/40.7 you helped me with last week.

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Do you have grading report numbers, by chance?

 

[jpgas]

Do you have grading report numbers, by chance?

Here is a link to the report

https://res.cloudinary.com/rarecarat/image/fetch/f_png,w_2000/https://media.rarecarat.com/certificate/h6J54dhetq4cSYjOOE39OO3JXpqRRvXxNrpkyYCcAZU.pdf

 

[0-0-0]

IMO the stark difference seen here has more to do with differences in the quality of the grown material than differences in cut. I have compared well cut rounds ranging from 33/40.8 to 35.8/40.7 and the differences are much more nuanced. It’s similar to going from 34.5/40.6 to 34.5/41 on Cutwise’s Pa variation for Ca34.5 https://cutwise.com/~-bOV

 

[Kim N]

What is the report number for the 35.4/40.7 diamond?

 

[jpgas]

IMO the stark difference seen here has more to do with differences in the quality of the grown material than differences in cut. I have compared well cut rounds ranging from 33/40.8 to 35.8/40.7 and the differences are much more nuanced. It’s similar to going from 34.5/40.6 to 34.5/41 on Cutwise’s Pa variation for Ca34.5 https://

IMO the stark difference seen here has more to do with differences in the quality of the grown material than differences in cut. I have compared well cut rounds ranging from 33/40.8 to 35.8/40.7 and the differences are much more nuanced. It’s similar to going from 34.5/40.6 to 34.5/41 on Cutwise’s Pa variation for Ca34.5 https://cutwise.com/~-bOV

.com/~-bOV

Thanks for that link. I can’t tell the difference with the pavilions so the difference I’m seeing with my two stones must be the material. Now I’m a little bummed I didn’t get to see a 34.5/40.8 in its full potential.

 

[jpgas]

What is the report number for the 35.4/40.7 diamond?

Here is a link to the report

https://res.cloudinary.com/rarecarat/image/fetch/f_png,w_2000/https://media.rarecarat.com/certificate/dUZrdpLBClIGoUlwSmrnB0GTzkedW5mQQVuAJUGls.pdf

And a link to see the 360 video

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[Runningmama]

Last week I got advice on two diamonds. One was a H&A with a steep crown (35.4/40.7) for more fire. I then also learned that 34.5/40.8 is arguably a perfect combo so I decided to get one with those proportions to compare the two.

The TIC 34.5/40.8 is definitely a well balanced combo that has enough fire and brilliance. I can understand why is a recommended combo. The balance of brilliance and fire looks nice. But it also doesn’t have the most brilliance or most fire. The fire is a bit muted by the extra brilliance.

The other 35.4/40.7 might not be a perfect combo but it still works. It does look a little darker with less brilliance but I think that makes the colors stand out more. It has more fire than it has less brilliance. They both look arguably the same under sunlight, but the 35.4/40.7 definitely has a bit more fire

I just wanted to make this post and share my unexperienced opinion to help any guys like me that are diamond shopping and new to this and wanted a visual of a TIC vs more fire. But I think most diamonds with ideal proportions will look gorgeous and have enough fire and brilliance.

But for the experts in here which do you like more and can you tell which is the TIC and the more fire diamond?

https://imgur.com/a/qooXnrM

I think TIC is on the left.

 

[jpgas]

I think TIC is on the left.

Sorry it’s on the right, the more sorry is on the left. But according to the experts here the material for the TIC looks hazy/cloudy. So it’s not really a fair matchup

 

[jpgas]

Do you have grading report numbers, by chance?

Just out of curiosity what do you think of this diamond? Seeing more fire got my thinking how much more I can get. I do have some minor issues with the other diamonds and since I can return them I was wondering if this could be any better. And I know the differences are very subtle

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[jpgas]

What is the report number for the 35.4/40.7 diamond?

Hey what do you think of this diamond? Would this be any better with the smaller table and higher crown height?

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Round cut, 1.83 carat lab-grown diamond, certified by IGI. F color and VS1 clarity. Priced at $2651, is 42% lower than our fair price estimate.

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[DejaWiz]

Just out of curiosity what do you think of this diamond? Seeing more fire got my thinking how much more I can get. I do have some minor issues with the other diamonds and since I can return them I was wondering if this could be any better. And I know the differences are very subtle

1.83 Carat Lab Grown Diamond, Round Cut, VS1, F Color, IGI Certified

Round cut, 1.83 carat lab-grown diamond, certified by IGI. F color and VS1 clarity. Priced at $2651, is 42% lower than our fair price estimate.

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The proportions and angles can work, but I'm seeing some uneven in the pavilion facets and a bit of CVD graining.

Loupe360

loupe360.com

 

[DejaWiz]

jpgas check your Reddit chats.

 

[jpgas]

jpgas check your Reddit chats.

Thanks, I'm still looking for 1.83ct. I think the one I have now might be just fine. But I do have one more possible contender if you don't mind checking it out, I sent the link to your reddit, thanks

 

[Kim N]

Here are easier links to the videos.

Loupe360

loupe360.com

The proportions and angles can work, but I'm seeing some uneven in the pavilion facets and a bit of CVD graining.

Loupe360

loupe360.com

I agree, I'm not a fan of this one compared to the two in the OP.

 

[jpgas]

Here are easier links to the videos.

Loupe360

loupe360.com

I agree, I'm not a fan of this one compared to the two in the OP.

Thanks, that's good to know. Because the more I look at these two diamonds under different and equal lighting, the less I can tell a difference now. My videos definitely made one look more fiery than the other. But in real life they are both basically the same. Now I'm starting to appreciate the TIC for its little bit extra brilliance and light return. And the top looks a bit bigger giving it more surface for more light play. Now I can't really decide which one to keep

 

[jpgas]

The proportions and angles can work, but I'm seeing some uneven in the pavilion facets and a bit of CVD graining.

Loupe360

loupe360.com

Do you think the TIC still looks a bit hazy? I will say I was touching it with some greasy fingers. I have a video of the TIC closer to when I first got it

https://imgur.com/a/GrHhhl8

 

[Kim N]

Do you think the TIC still looks a bit hazy? I will say I was touching it with some greasy fingers. I have a video of the TIC closer to when I first got it

https://imgur.com/a/GrHhhl8

The first video in this link doesn't look hazy to my eyes.

 

[0-0-0]

Give both a good clean with some dish detergent. It’s hard to tell what you are comparing if they are not clean.

Here’s one you can consider if you want to try a 34.5/40.6

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[DejaWiz]

Give both a good clean with some dish detergent. It’s hard to tell what you are comparing if they are not clean.

Here’s one you can consider if you want to try a 34.5/40.6

1.83 Carat D VS1 Round Brilliant Lab Grown Diamond GIA Certified 6462431174 Affinity Cut - D53288395

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Great find!
If it's still available, then much better price at Brilliance and there's a 20% off code right now:

https://www.brilliance.com/lab-grown-diamonds/round/1-83-carat-d-color-super-ideal-make-vs1-clarity-gia-certified-SKU-LG23144801

 

[jpgas]

Great find!
If it's still available, then much better price at Brilliance and there's a 20% off code right now:

https://www.brilliance.com/lab-grown-diamonds/round/1-83-carat-d-color-super-ideal-make-vs1-clarity-gia-certified-SKU-LG23144801

How much difference would a 34.5/40.6 be to a 34.5/40.8?

I know shallower pavilions like a 40.6 pair with a steeper crown, but will it be more fiery or are 34.5/40.6 and 34.5/40.8 very similar. Because I did find a H&A 34.5/40.6 and was considering it

 

[jpgas]

Give both a good clean with some dish detergent. It’s hard to tell what you are comparing if they are not clean.

Here’s one you can consider if you want to try a 34.5/40.6

1.83 Carat D VS1 Round Brilliant Lab Grown Diamond GIA Certified 6462431174 Affinity Cut - D53288395

1.83 carat, Round, D Color, VS1 clarity, GIA Certified Diamond, GIA Certificate 6462431174, Affinity Cut Lab Grown Diamond, D53288395

www.adiamor.com

Thanks, I did clean them and look a lot better. They both are very fiery but with a subtle difference. But now it's hard to pick which one I like more.

How much difference would a 34.5/40.6 be to a 34.5/40.8?

I know shallower pavilions like a 40.6 pair with a steeper crown, but will it be more fiery or are 34.5/40.6 and 34.5/40.8 very similar. Because I did find a H&A 34.5/40.6 and was considering it

 

[Karl_K]

How much difference would a 34.5/40.6 be to a 34.5/40.8?

If reasonably tight and similar precision levels then subtle, a little more contrast up close but by 16 inches nada much.
In other words real world on the hand not much that most people will ever notice.

 

[jpgas]

If reasonably tight and similar precision levels then subtle, a little more contrast up close but by 16 inches nada much.
In other words real world on the hand not much that most people will ever notice.

Thanks. I’m tempted to get a 34.5/40.6 but I think I’m thinking way too into this if the differences are subtle. I mean if the difference between a 34.5/40.8 and a 35.4/40.7 to me are very subtle up close and no real difference from afar then I’m sure a 34.5/40.6 will be even less different to an untrained eye like me or my girlfriend