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Date: 9/8/2008 2:56:43 PM
Author: mela lu
pandora - when you got your EDD, did you base it on your LMP or O date?

Why don''t more HCP''s base it on O-date rather than LMP for those who chart and know the exact O day?
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I based it on both: I O''d on CD13, which makes it likely that conception was CD13/14, then with a 14/15 day LP I reckoned FF''s guess was close enough.

If you have very long/irregular cycles it is a lot harder to pinpoint ovulation, so they date from LMP as people can remember that one - then they date the baby at the 12 week scan.

Does seem strange - for example is it the case that:

Person A has a 28 day cycle and a 14 day LP. They ovulate on CD14 and 14DPO they get a BFP.
Person B has a 42 day cycle and a 14 day LP. They ovulate on CD28 and 14DPO they get a BFP.

A & B troop off to see their doctor. Person A is told they are 4 weeks pregnant and Person B that they are 6 weeks pregnant whereas they are both only really 2 weeks pregnant?

Hmmm.


I have everything crossed that I can cross for you Mela - good luck to all the others knitting (I''ll cross everything I can for you guys as well)!
 
Robbie just explained to me that even though conception happens within a day of O''ing, when conception happens you are already considered 2 weeks pregnant. Can anyone explain why?
 
Date: 9/8/2008 6:00:32 PM
Author: Sabine
Robbie just explained to me that even though conception happens within a day of O''ing, when conception happens you are already considered 2 weeks pregnant. Can anyone explain why?
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It''s to do with what I put in my last post of doctors dating pregnancy to the first day of your last period. This is because it''s a fixed date that a woman has concrete evidence of, whereas conception can be a matter of guesswork for a lot of people.

We''re all abnormally obsessed compared with the general public - hence we all know when we O''d and probably when we concieved.
 
Doctors calculate your due date by counting 40 weeks from the date of your last menstrual period.
ETA: Pandora and I must have been typing at the same time!
 
Okay, so I'm thinking I didn't ovulate, after all.

Today I had more fertile CM; and today I'm also having weird pinching, dull pains. Almost like a dull pinpoint being poked at me.

My crosshairs are dotted now.
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I guess I jumped the gun on the excitement of having a regular cycle. I was so hyper excited to have ovulated, too! Now I'm back to having no idea if I'm "normal" or not.

Or maybe I did. I still have a hard time telling the dif. between creamy and eggwhite since for me, they are similar.
 
Date: 9/8/2008 5:46:45 PM
Author: Pandora II

Person B has a 42 day cycle and a 14 day LP. They ovulate on CD28 and 14DPO they get a BFP.


A & B troop off to see their doctor. Person A is told they are 4 weeks pregnant and Person B that they are 6 weeks pregnant whereas they are both only really 2 weeks pregnant?


Hmmm.
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I have always thought that was totally mucked up...particularly considering the difference that a few days (OR WEEKS) could make...It stinks for people with long cycles that don't chart...they can sometimes be pushed into unnecessarily having labor induced... now, I know that they also look at the size of the baby,etc...but it was definitely something I was aware of.

I O'd on day 17 of my last cycle, but interestingly, when I called my OB and told her I was prego and that I knew when I O'd...she said they didn't really care because they'd go by my LMP. Which just seems wrong...but hey, what do I know. Perhaps they generally disregard the O date because it can be difficult to pin down? Maybe? I don't know.

ETA - Thanks for your concern for the petite Crickeet. She is a-okay! She just has quite the sensitive stomach...Oh, and Lulu - we didn't even name her! We got her from a rescue when she was a wee pup and the rescue owner's daughter named cricket, because she was tiny, black, and loved to jump around! But it so fits her personality...she is hysterical.
 
just checking in and saying hi to everyone
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. nothing to report. i begin the tww as of tomorrow so 2 weeks of wondering and worrying about every twinge, "feeling", and maybe that was nausea begin.
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ahhhh my dh is going to be in for a rough tww although he doesn''t know it...lol
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happy anniversary robbie
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, hopefully you won''t be able to drink that very soon.

sending lots of stickies to all
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Date: 9/8/2008 8:27:12 PM
Author: littlelysser
Date: 9/8/2008 5:46:45 PM

Author: Pandora II


Person B has a 42 day cycle and a 14 day LP. They ovulate on CD28 and 14DPO they get a BFP.



A & B troop off to see their doctor. Person A is told they are 4 weeks pregnant and Person B that they are 6 weeks pregnant whereas they are both only really 2 weeks pregnant?



Hmmm.
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I have always thought that was totally mucked up...particularly considering the difference that a few days (OR WEEKS) could make...It stinks for people with long cycles that don''t chart...they can sometimes be pushed into unnecessarily having labor induced... now, I know that they also look at the size of the baby,etc...but it was definitely something I was aware of.


I O''d on day 17 of my last cycle, but interestingly, when I called my OB and told her I was prego and that I knew when I O''d...she said they didn''t really care because they''d go by my LMP. Which just seems wrong...but hey, what do I know. Perhaps they generally disregard the O date because it can be difficult to pin down? Maybe? I don''t know.


ETA - Thanks for your concern for the petite Crickeet. She is a-okay! She just has quite the sensitive stomach...Oh, and Lulu - we didn''t even name her! We got her from a rescue when she was a wee pup and the rescue owner''s daughter named cricket, because she was tiny, black, and loved to jump around! But it so fits her personality...she is hysterical.
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Knowing that doctors frequently go by date of LMP, would anyone lie about the date of their LMP at their first visit? You know, fudge it to what it would be if you O''d on CD14, leaving your O date the same? I''ve been thinking that I might do that.
 
Thanks, NYC!
 
Date: 9/8/2008 8:12:20 PM
Author: fisherofmengirly

Or maybe I did. I still have a hard time telling the dif. between creamy and eggwhite since for me, they are similar.
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fish,

Are you SURE you're having eggwhite? I ask because creamy and eggwhite aren't similar. Creamy is very thick and lotion-like, but eggwhite looks like healthy snot: clear (or transparent) and it should stretch between your fingers. Stretch for inches. The first time I had eggwhite, I literally went "WHOA" and stretched it as far as my fingers could go. And then I showed my husband. (And he wasn't grossed out! Or so he says.)

I could go into grosser details about my experiences with eggwhite, but I'll spare you all.

If you aren't having eggwhite, you might be confusing FF by marking that you do, which in turn makes FF confuse you by giving you crosshairs.
 
Interesting question Robbie!

I think I''d probably still tell them when my last period was - and I should say that the date of my LMP was only relevant for determining when I''d come in for my first visit! I will say that when I was having my issue with the Beta levels, and I told them that I had O''d a bit later, the nurse definitely listened and was interested. Of course, it ended up not mattering, but still...

Also, Happy ANNIVERSARY!!!!
 
LL is right. They will listen, particularly in those early days when every day counts!

If you have irregular cycles or if there's a big disjunct between your LMP date and what you think your ovulation date is, most doctors will do a 'dating scan' which is basically an ultrasound where they measure everything (which they're likely to do around 8 weeks anyway). They can tell quite accurately how far along you are by how big the embryo is, and will often adjust your EDD accordingly. With the dating scan, my EDD went from what would have been, I think Feb 19th to Feb. 28th, and my ovulation based date is Feb. 24th (I think? I've lost track!). The doctors know that I was behind at first, and just adjust accordingly, using Feb. 28th as a conservative estimate, but knowing that I'm now measuring more in line with the ovulation date.

I wouldn't lie because there's no point. If your LMP date and ovulation date are way off from each other, just tell the doctor. If we're talking 2 or 3 days, it won't make much of a difference once you're past 8 weeks or so. And nobody can induce you without your consent later on. So if you're sure you're something like a week earlier than the doctor thinks, be clear about that and refuse to be induced if it turns out you have to. But by then it will have become obvious on ultrasound, if you have one before 20 weeks, and you can make decisions accordingly.

Those few days are critical right at the start, when two or three days can make the difference between a heartbeat or just a fetal pole. But once things get going, unless you're in a pre-term labor situation, it really doesn't make much difference, so don't worry too much about this, ladies!

Unless your doctor is an idiot, if you say "I ovulated a whole two weeks later than my LMP suggests" s/he will listen and get you a dating scan! If you say "I ovulated two days later" s/he may not because it doesn't matter much one way or the other after those first few weeks.




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Robbie, is today your anniversary? Happy first year, Robbie and her DH!

Time flies, doesn''t it?
 
Happy anniversary to Robbie, my Bridol forever.
 
Ebree,

It only is a little stretchy and it's not clear. My eggwhite isn't clear though, so that's when I get confused. So yeah, I think it's more of a creamy. I did have eggwhite earlier, though. Although it didn't stretch like what you're talking about.

I feel so stupid that I got so excited that I'd ovulated. I just really, really wanted to have a normal cycle that would make baby making possible...

GRR!!

And now I'm frustrated that I have been having these tiny twinges of pain. Makes me think I'm all messed up inside again.
 
I always go by ovulation date, because in early pregnancy, it can be a big deal. You may think you're 6.5 weeks along based on LMP, but only be 6. And when you go in for a scan, you have a fetal pole with no heartbeat (because it's too early).

My doctor's office goes by LMP, not even taking into account day of ovulation. When I called this last cycle for progesterone testing, I told the nurse I was going to be 7 DPO the next day and I needed a prog. test. She said, "What cycle day is this for you?" I told her CD 23.

"Oh, it's too late. We test for progesterone on CD 21."

I calmly explained to her that I ovulated on CD 16, not CD 14, and that the CD 21 testing must be based on the average 28 day cycle with ovulation on CD 14.

"Nope!" she said. "We always test progesterone on CD 21."

Now, I could be wrong, but isn't SHE wrong? I mean, what if you ovulated on CD 20? A progesterone test on CD 21 for a CD 20 ovulator isn't going to tell you much.

It was frustrating, to say the least.
 
Date: 9/8/2008 8:51:27 PM
Author: fisherofmengirly
Ebree,


It only is a little stretchy and it''s not clear. My eggwhite isn''t clear though, so that''s when I get confused. So yeah, I think it''s more of a creamy. I did have eggwhite earlier, though. Although it didn''t stretch like what you''re talking about.


I feel so stupid that I got so excited that I''d ovulated. I just really, really wanted to have a normal cycle that would make baby making possible...


GRR!!


And now I''m frustrated that I have been having these tiny twinges of pain. Makes me think I''m all messed up inside again.
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Not to make you uncomfortable, but is it possible that you''re confusing semen with eggwhite? I ask because what you describe sounds like semen- not clear, and just a little stretchy. Arousal fluid is also a bit stretchy (I''ve found), but it''s clear.
 
Date: 9/8/2008 8:51:27 PM
Author: fisherofmengirly


I feel so stupid that I got so excited that I''d ovulated. I just really, really wanted to have a normal cycle that would make baby making possible...
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Love, please don''t feel stupid. By temping, you''re LEARNING so much about your cycle already. The last couple of cycles were a mystery, no? Having data is good, because if you''re anovulatory, you can let your doctor know and he/she can give you something to boost ovulation. And if you aren''t anovulatory, now you''ll know WHEN you ovulate! Did you recently come off the pill?
 
Date: 9/8/2008 8:54:44 PM
Author: EBree
I always go by ovulation date, because in early pregnancy, it can be a big deal. You may think you''re 6.5 weeks along based on LMP, but only be 6. And when you go in for a scan, you have a fetal pole with no heartbeat (because it''s too early).


My doctor''s office goes by LMP, not even taking into account day of ovulation. When I called this last cycle for progesterone testing, I told the nurse I was going to be 7 DPO the next day and I needed a prog. test. She said, ''What cycle day is this for you?'' I told her CD 23.


''Oh, it''s too late. We test for progesterone on CD 21.''


I calmly explained to her that I ovulated on CD 16, not CD 14, and that the CD 21 testing must be based on the average 28 day cycle with ovulation on CD 14.


''Nope!'' she said. ''We always test progesterone on CD 21.''


Now, I could be wrong, but isn''t SHE wrong? I mean, what if you ovulated on CD 20? A progesterone test on CD 21 for a CD 20 ovulator isn''t going to tell you much.


It was frustrating, to say the least.
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Yes, there will always be obsessive rule followers in the world, who will follow a rule even where it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Unless there''s something about this test we don''t know about (as in, it actually HAS something to do with LMP) then this nurse comes under the ''idiot'' rule.

But maybe I''m just grumpy, hormonal and very overtired.

In my experience so far with 1 OB, 3 maternal-fetal medicine specialists, 2 sonographers, and 1 nurse/midwife, they have all listened to me about my late ovulation and taken that into account.
 
Ebree,

At this point, I don''t know. I know that eggwhite isn''t common for me, and if I get it, it''s only like one time a cycle. Now that I know that watery is a form of CM, I know I get that. So that at least makes me feel better. What I''ve been calling eggwhite was only "stretchy" to the point of like an inch or so. It''s not as white as creamy, but isn''t clear clear. I think what I have a tendency to do is assume that when I have creamy that is thicker or clumpy, I want to call it eggwhite, since that is how eggwhite tends to be. But what I thought was eggwhite today is not.

I am totally doing what Paul thought I would do if I started charting: going nutty nuts. I get so worked up about stuff and I get all engulfed in it and I let it carry my heart with me. I can''t even describe how truly thrilled I was when I got the crosshairs because it was true information that was helping to confirm that I do have the ability to one day be a mother. And now I feel like that was a preconceived notion, without much backing. I was even thinking ahead to when I''d be able to find out if I was pregnant. I''m doing the same thing I did last time I thought I was pregnant way early on this year (not planned): I felt all these weird feelings in my insides and I was so sure of all these symptoms. Now I''m doing the same thing, but with temps. and signs that you can plot on a chart.

GRRR! And ARGH.

I came off the pill in Jan 2008, and I thought this cycle was my swoop toward having a more regular cycle.

If nothing else, time will tell.
 
Awe, thanks ladies! Indy, it''s good to know that once you''re a jerkstore the doctor actually listens to you if there''s a discrepancy.

Fisher, is it kind of rubber cement like? It could actually be sticky. Sticky can be stretchy like that sometimes and it''s not clear. I think I was mistaking sticky for EWCM for a while.

Funny story:
So, DH and I were discussing baby names like we frequently do and he''s pushing Scarlett again. It''s been growing on my for the last week or so, but Isabelle is still my fave girl name. We decided long ago that our first daughter would have the middle name Grace for MIL, but I''ve been pushing for a second middle name after my grandmother. Her name was Lenore which I''m not a fan of, but I like Leonora for a middle name. I told him that if he''ll give me Leonora, I''ll give him Scarlett. He agreed. We shook on it (how business-like, lol) and I decided to look up the meanings:

Scarlett: Red
Leonora: Light
Grace: Favor/Blessing

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Red-light favor?! Does that not sound like a tongue-in-cheek reference to a BJ to anyone else?! DH thinks I''m nuts and it doesn''t matter, but I don''t know...it is pretty funny though...
 
Robbie,

Paul and I do the name game all the time, too. We continually try to find a name that we both like enough to commit for forever and then we trade it out for a middle name. It''s hilarious. Right now Paul is very much into Annica. I''m not a fan, but since I''ve been hearing it for weeks, it''s growing on me. I''m still holding out for my favorite name to grow on him, though!
 
Date: 9/8/2008 9:14:22 PM
Author: robbie3982

Fisher, is it kind of rubber cement like? It could actually be sticky. Sticky can be stretchy like that sometimes and it''s not clear. I think I was mistaking sticky for EWCM for a while.
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I was just thinking this too, Robbie- I''ve had sticky that was very similar to rubber cement, and it sounds just like what Fisher is describing.

Happy Anniversary, by the way!
 
Thanks!
 
I love Scarlett, but DH hates it. He hates 99.9 percent of all girl names. We've actually agreed on a few, after much pushing. I'm trying to convince him to OK Ruby (also red!) as a contender for our first daughter's first name, but he thinks it's too "out there" and wants it as a middle name. It's actually pretty cute- Ruby is the name of a computer programming language (I think?) and he's a web developer. And I have the PERFECT middle name for it, too.

GRRRR.

I WILL convince him.
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That''s cute. DH likes Scarlett because it means red. He''s obsessed with red. He''s a software engineer, which i think makes him not like Ruby cause it makes him think of work stuff, though I don''t think he uses that language. Seriously, his obsession is ridiculous. If I allowed it, every room in our house would be red. As it is, our kitchen stuff is all red, the accents in the dining room are red, the accents in the bedroom are red. Our wedding colors were black, white and RED. LOL.
 
Ugh, I''m getting awful cramping, which tells me that my period might be on its way. Ouch, ouch, ouch! I never got cramps when I was on the pill. *sighs sadly*
 
Hi Robbie, I think Scarlett is soo cute! I have a niece who spells it Scarlette. I thought it was a bit much of a name for a little girl before she was born when my sister was thinking about it. But since she was born in ''06 it has always suited her and I love it! She''s a blondie with blue eyes. I DO think it might have been too much if a she happened to have red hair
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Fisher I suspect that you are not assessing CF correctly. I wrote a really detailed account of the different types a while back that might help. But your temps will tell the story even if the CF is wrong... if they stay up you O''d, if they fall and rise and fall and rise, you have not O''d. It is simple really. One question, when you mentioned you have noticed EW (i.e., like runny snot) or watery types before, did you tend to notice that you would have the wetness for 2-3 days then dry again until you got your period, or did you notice a day here and day there a day here? Fertile CF will appear all at once for 1-7 days in a row. It will not appear here and there throughout your cycle (you may get a day or two right before you period, that is also normal)


As for the obsessing... let''s imagine you were not charting and were still TTC. Don''t you think you would still be wondering and making yourself nutso? I know I was before charting! I think you hubby is wrong that the charting is making you obsessive. Rather, the process pf TTC can be confusing and anxiety provoking. My friend who never charted still came into my office crying when she didn''t get a BFP and asking, "What is wrong with me?" after only 2 months trying. She got preggo in month 3. My point is that this is a difficult time when you like to predict and control, which all of us do, that''s why we talk about this stuff all the time!!


AND as Ebree said, charting could help you immesely. Let''s say (heaven forbid/knock wood) that you are having annovulatory cycles. You could TTC for a year and then go see a doc. Or you can chart for a month or two and go see a doc armed with certain proof of the issue. Which would you prefer? I know which option I would take! That''s why I started charting! It''s the only way to know, and the first month is the worst.
 
gals- just a mini-threadjack from the "casual TTC-er" on the team. Just wanted to share my Kauai shave ice. I posted more pics over in HANGOUT. I **puffy-heart** Kauai- we had an AWESOME time!

Nothing new to report on TTC-ing. I need to get with the program and temp REGULARLY. once/twice a week doesn't cut it!

Congrats Pandora! Here's dust for everyone else...
ETA- Happy Anniversary, Robbie. WOW- how time flies!


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