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The new age Robin Hood... stealing from the poor to give to the rich.

It's a lie about the SS beneficiaries not paying tax. It's not that high.
There is just 'the potential'.
It's also predicated on the beneficiary being under an income threshold of 25k/32K joint filers.


The bigger worry is that now they've gutted Medicare, the next target will be Social Security itself. They've been itching to take that from the people.
 
Your insurance rates are about to skyrocket to cover the difference of Medicare/marketplace subsidy losses.

Your tax cuts are temporary.

The rich tax cuts are permanent , which is what has historically exploded the deficit in the first place.
 
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Yesterday I bought four different car magnets from etsy. All of them pertain to this disgusting disaster.
 
Lookinagain said:
There is already a campaign to convince people they are going to do better. But the limitations about who actually benefits are not stated
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Chills went down my spine when I got this email today. Blatantly political from an agency that has always been apolitical. Tentacles. Everywhere
 
ItsMainelyYou said:
It's a lie about the SS beneficiaries not paying tax. It's not that high.
There is just 'the potential'.
It's also predicated on the beneficiary being under an income threshold of 25k/32K joint filers.


The bigger worry is that now they've gutted Medicare, the next target will be Social Security itself. They've been itching to take that from the people.
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Agree, that's why I said that what I posted doesn't mention the limitations on some of these supposed benefits. They don't "benefit" everyone. But that generally isn't mentioned when people are told how good this BBB is. And that deduction for seniors that they mention also has income limits.
 
My husband put on the local 4th of July parade. :sick: I changed it to a dog show from 2017.

Just can't get excited about "independence."
 
Lookinagain said:
There is already a campaign to convince people they are going to do better. But the limitations about who actually benefits are not stated.


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Could they actually be waking up to the fact that more people are finally realizing how awful this bill is? How people are realizing their families will be impacted negatively?

Too late now. People are getting what they chose, we all are!
 
I got the same email from SSA. I thought it was just a phishing junk email. Didn’t even read beyond the first couple of sentences, delete. It’s a government agency, apolitical indeed!
 
I just find the way that this is being presented as disingenuous. They keep saying no tax on SS. And then talk about the senior discount. But it's not two different things. I think many folks assume it's two separate benefits because they rely on the way it's being presented and don't look at how it works. Nor do they say it is temporary (through 2028--) and phases out depending on income.


First, consider the case of a senior filing as a single taxpayer receiving the current average retirement benefit of approximately $24,000 (per Social Security Administration data). The maximum amount of Social Security included in taxable income is 85% of the benefit, which would be $20,400 in this case. Under the OBBB, in 2025 this senior would be entitled to $23,750 in deductions – the $15,750 standard deduction, the $2,000 current-law additional deduction, and the $6,000 new OBBB senior deduction –meaning that the OBBB would lead to deductions that exceed the senior’s taxable Social Security income.
 
Calliecake said:
Could they actually be waking up to the fact that more people are finally realizing how awful this bill is? How people are realizing their families will be impacted negatively?

Too late now. People are getting what they chose, we all are!
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I think it's an attempt to sell people on how wonderful it is so that the mid-terms aren't affected. As I think I mentioned before, many of the "bad" things don't kick in until after the mid-terms and the "good" things start before. That just tells me they know that there are in fact, "bad" things.
 
Well, to be fair, having social security be taxed at all sounds ridiculous. It was around the BBB discussions and media attention that I found out this is how it works in the US. I never in a million years would've guessed it. So the government is saying "here, have this money, but then gimme some of it back in the form of tax"?!?

If there's someone who needs a tax cut, it's not the coal manufacturers, it's aaaaaall of the people receiving social security.
 
Rfisher said:
I’m not sure it’s love that is being thrown at the fetus.
My take is it’s more about the sin of believing sex isn’t only for procreation.
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It’s their “pro-life” mantra all the while celebrating cutting services that directly effect human life, children’s lives, everyone. Cutting SNAP so families/children go hungry. Tens of thousands kicked off health insurance, hospitals cutting back services or closing altogether. Lives will be lost. How is THAT pro-life? How is that caring for children? Don’t get me started on USAID.
The door opened with rolling back Roe v Wade and then to cut the safety nets for these children makes zero sense. Oh, that’s right, billionaires need tax cuts, and a little man needed a birthday parade. At the expense of feeding children!!
The degradation of a brain dead woman’s body to act as an incubator, I just don’t have the words to describe this monstrosity. This is all being celebrated along with smoke and mirror tactics to further deceive. Nightmare-ish what the US has allowed herself to become.
 
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Avondale said:
So the government is saying "here, have this money, but then gimme some of it back in the form of tax"?!?
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Well, it's not even that because it's not the government giving anyone money. It's money that the person has paid into Social Security while working, and then getting it back. Maybe their rationale is that taxes were never paid on it when you earned it working, so now you pay them when you use it?
 
Lookinagain said:
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I get emails from SS because I’m my brother’s Conservator. I saw the first couple of lines of this, and I thought it was spam and deleted it. It wasn’t until I saw this thread that I realized it was real. I cannot believe it.
 
Folks, a reminder to those new to the thread that we allow discussion of world events, but not politicians or political parties on PS. Additionally as always, no bashing of people with other viewpoints from you.

In short, you can discuss policies, but not politics or politicians.
 
Lookinagain said:
It's money that the person has paid into Social Security while working, and then getting it back.
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Is it? I specifically checked to be sure I wasn't confused about it. Everywhere I read it says the US social security system works much like many places in Europe - the contributions made by the active workers are used to pay the benefits for the people receiving them. Maybe I missed something but nowhere did I read about individual accounts within the social security system. The money you're getting is the same money you've paid into it only if you have an individual account which holds your personal funds and no one else's.

But even if it's individual accounts - those aren't taxed here, either. The contributions made into them benefit from a partial tax exemption. It's money meant to support you during the time when you are no longer able to work, whether it's your age or health preventing you. It doesn't make sense to tax it, from a purely human standpoint.
 
A rural hospital in Nebraska is closing in anticipation of the cuts.
The one thing BBB will never do is strengthen the program or the towns that hospital served.
All this does is put people at risk. This makes America weak.
 
Avondale said:
Is it? I specifically checked to be sure I wasn't confused about it. Everywhere I read it says the US social security system works much like many places in Europe - the contributions made by the active workers are used to pay the benefits for the people receiving them. Maybe I missed something but nowhere did I read about individual accounts within the social security system. The money you're getting is the same money you've paid into it only if you have an individual account which holds your personal funds and no one else's.

But even if it's individual accounts - those aren't taxed here, either. The contributions made into them benefit from a partial tax exemption. It's money meant to support you during the time when you are no longer able to work, whether it's your age or health preventing you. It doesn't make sense to tax it, from a purely human standpoint.
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No it isn’t individual accounts, it’s as you described. What I meant was it wasn’t free money. You pay into the system.
 
Ella said:
Folks, a reminder to those new to the thread that we allow discussion of world events, but not politicians or political parties on PS. Additionally as always, no bashing of people with other viewpoints from you.

In short, you can discuss policies, but not politics or politicians.
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My apologies, Ella. First time posting on this forum. It is a subject I'm very adamant about. But you're right, no place here for politics.

I will leave just saying this since as I understand it, we can talk about policies.

I'm not a fan of "The Big Beautiful Deal," and that is an understatement.

I will now take my leave here.

Thank you and I wish everyone well on this forum.
 
fredflintstone said:
My apologies, Ella. First time posting on this forum. It is a subject I'm very adamant about. But you're right, no place here for politics.

I will leave just saying this since as I understand it, we can talk about policies.

I'm not of fan of "The Big Beautiful Deal," and that is an understatement.

I will now take my leave here.

Thank you and I wish everyone well on this forum.
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Correct, that's fine.
 
fredflintstone said:
My apologies, Ella. First time posting on this forum. It is a subject I'm very adamant about. But you're right, no place here for politics.

I will leave just saying this since as I understand it, we can talk about policies.

I'm not a fan of "The Big Beautiful Deal," and that is an understatement.

I will now take my leave here.

Thank you and I wish everyone well on this forum.
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Rookie mistake, we all make them! You don’t need to rush off now that you know the rules. Everyone is welcome to post.
 
Bonfire said:
Rookie mistake, we all make them! You don’t need to rush off now that you know the rules. Everyone is welcome to post.
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Thank you, I appreciate that!

But if I cannot express my total feelings on the subject which is much more complicated than just speaking of the subject by itself and not being able of speaking of those responsible for the subject, I'll respectfully decline.

This really is not the place for it. :)
 
fredflintstone said:
Thank you, I appreciate that!

But if I cannot express my total feelings on the subject which is much more complicated than just speaking of the subject by itself and not being able of speaking of those responsible for the subject, I'll respectfully decline.

This really is not the place for it. :)
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Fred there are political discussion forums a-plenty.
We are also working out some idea to enable that on some revamping of the forums you may have noticed occurring on PS?
You have an amazing depth of knowledge on gemstones, and rarely - maybe never - have I challenged or disagreed with any advice you have given.
I am also of your vintage and stoopidity is my grumpiest failing.
But the help and advice you give people on gems is invaluable.
Our political feelings and beliefs need a different place for sharing ;)2
 
Garry H (Cut Nut) said:
Fred there are political discussion forums a-plenty.
We are also working out some idea to enable that on some revamping of the forums you may have noticed occurring on PS?
You have an amazing depth of knowledge on gemstones, and rarely - maybe never - have I challenged or disagreed with any advice you have given.
I am also of your vintage and stoopidity is my grumpiest failing.
But the help and advice you give people on gems is invaluable.
Our political feelings and beliefs need a different place for sharing ;)2
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Thank you, Garry! I also enjoy your posts.

Yes, as I wrote, this is not the place for it, and I respect that. This is not my website/forum(s) and the subject just hits to close to home for me.

So, the better part of valor is to just speak about this somewhere else.

Best wishes! :)
 
ItsMainelyYou said:
It's a lie about the SS beneficiaries not paying tax. It's not that high.
There is just 'the potential'.
It's also predicated on the beneficiary being under an income threshold of 25k/32K joint filers.


The bigger worry is that now they've gutted Medicare, the next target will be Social Security itself. They've been itching to take that from the people.
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George Carlin did a bit on this 20 years ago... he knew it then.

If you don't want to watch the whole thing, mention of SS comes in around the 2:06 mark. Viewer Discretion: Profanity. Click.
 
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