The new age Robin Hood... stealing from the poor to give to the rich.

[kenny]

Excellent Carlin Video!!!!!!!!

Keep 'em stupid ...... eventually they'll reach their goal ... 2025 America!

 

[Autumn in New England]

Well, to be fair, having social security be taxed at all sounds ridiculous. It was around the BBB discussions and media attention that I found out this is how it works in the US. I never in a million years would've guessed it. So the government is saying "here, have this money, but then gimme some of it back in the form of tax"?!?

If there's someone who needs a tax cut, it's not the coal manufacturers, it's aaaaaall of the people receiving social security.

And we've paid into it our entire working lives! They act like it's a gift.

 

[Autumn in New England]

Can someone link us to an easy to read summary?

What is being cut?
What is being added?

Topline needed. I’ll search for it.

I found this that’s updated daily, click on link for most recent comprehensive summary.

The One Big Beautiful Bill Act: A Comprehensive Holland & Knight Analysis | Insights | Holland & Knight

The Senate passed the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, a comprehensive legislation to advance some of President Donald Trump's highest policy priorities.

www.hklaw.com

Wikipedia might be a good place to start for an unbiased breakdown... click.

I also wanted to include this statement from Senator Sanders. This isn't meant to persuade anyone's POV, but it not only discusses factual information; it basically summarizes everything I feel on the matter.

Click.

 

[Autumn in New England]

How do these people look in the mirror? How do they live with themselves?




We need a crying emoji. We aren’t even 7 months in yet. Now we get a Big Beautiful Disaster. Such fun!

I’m beyond disgusted and right there with you @Autumn in New England.

I'm not sure if you watched any of the House Committee Meeting a couple of days ago, but Rep. (D) asked Rep. (R) to read aloud Section 111106 of the Bill. He refused. Turns out they snuck in a tax break on tanning beds. That gives you an idea of their privilege and what's really a priority... making sure their rich behinds are suitably tanned tax-free, while they gut the middle and lower classes. So you'll have no problem finding a tanning bed, but if you need a hospital bed, well, you're SOL and JWF.

I also wanted to discuss something we won't hear very much about on television. This Bill is a massive blow to clean energy and the environment. It gives the oil, gas, and coal industries historic access to federal lands while ending key tax credits for solar and wind. It ends tax credits for those who use clean, efficient energy in their homes and businesses. It ends tax credits for those who purchase their electricity from companies that pledge to limit greenhouse gas emissions. Heck, it even removes tax credits for organizations that invest in clean energy. There is a provision in the Bill to phase out the zero-emission nuclear power production credit. It terminates the clean hydrogen production credit. It even eliminates a tax credit for those who purchase clean vehicles (including companies that purchase clean commercial vehicles and cities that purchase clean public transportation vehicles). The list goes on and on.

 

[Lookinagain]

I also wanted to discuss something we won't hear very much about on television. This Bill is a massive blow to clean energy and the environment.

Yes, that's another one of the issues that isn't getting much attention, but should.
I tried to read the bill today looking for something in particular, but it's a beast. I'm going to have to digest it a little bit at a time to see what else is hidden in there and not being discussed. My opinion is that they wanted it BIG so that few would digest the whole thing and much would be missed.

 

[Autumn in New England]

Yes, that's another one of the issues that isn't getting much attention, but should.
I tried to read the bill today looking for something in particular, but it's a beast. I'm going to have to digest it a little bit at a time to see what else is hidden in there and not being discussed. My opinion is that they wanted it BIG so that few would digest the whole thing and much would be missed.

Yep, agreed. I downloaded it about a week ago, and started by carefully going through the table of contents (which is quite detailed at least), and then using the search function to locate certain terms/topics/sections. It makes it much more manageable that way.

 

[Lookinagain]

Yep, agreed. I downloaded it about a week ago, and started by carefully going through the table of contents (which is quite detailed at least), and then using the search function to locate certain terms/topics/sections. It makes it much more manageable that way.

That’s what I’ve done too but I’m still not finding what I am looking for on one particular issue. Probably not using the term they used. But I’m going to keep at it. Perhaps the senate removed it though.

 

[Autumn in New England]

That’s what I’ve done too but I’m still not finding what I am looking for on one particular issue. Probably not using the term they used. But I’m going to keep at it. Perhaps the senate removed it though.

Let me know the issue, and maybe I can point you in the right direction (if it's in there). I've gone over it so many times, I almost have it memorized.

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

George Carlin did a bit on this 20 years ago... he knew it then.

If you don't want to watch the whole thing, mention of SS comes in around the 2:06 mark. Viewer Discretion: Profanity. Click.

How did you know I was weened weaned on Carlin?!

Edit: A reminder of the 10th amendment and the actual enforcement mechanism.

The Real, Forgotten Enforcement Mechanism of the Constitution | Tenth Amendment Center

In this article, we’ll break down exactly how the Founders expected us to enforce the Constitution - whether the government likes it or not.

tenthamendmentcenter.com

Stopping Usurpation: The Forgotten Power of Non-Compliance | Tenth Amendment Center

This principle - central to the American Revolution - has been almost totally forgotten and ignored. And it was also forcefully repeated and reiterated a century later by Lysander Spooner.

tenthamendmentcenter.com

“The only resource against usurpation is the inherent right of the people to prevent its exercise.”

 

[Autumn in New England]

How did you know I was weened weaned on Carlin?!

Edit: A reminder of the 10th amendment and the actual enforcement mechanism.

The Real, Forgotten Enforcement Mechanism of the Constitution | Tenth Amendment Center

In this article, we’ll break down exactly how the Founders expected us to enforce the Constitution - whether the government likes it or not.

tenthamendmentcenter.com

Stopping Usurpation: The Forgotten Power of Non-Compliance | Tenth Amendment Center

This principle - central to the American Revolution - has been almost totally forgotten and ignored. And it was also forcefully repeated and reiterated a century later by Lysander Spooner.

tenthamendmentcenter.com

“The only resource against usurpation is the inherent right of the people to prevent its exercise.”

Great resources, and I love that quote! When I was a kid, my dad played his tapes (tapes!) in the car every day on the way home from school. Was it wildly inappropriate? Perhaps. Am I eternally grateful? Absolutely.

 

[LightBright]

That’s what I’ve done too but I’m still not finding what I am looking for on one particular issue. Probably not using the term they used. But I’m going to keep at it. Perhaps the senate removed it though.

Maybe use AI to search for your key topic and summarize. I think it might be useful.

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

This is just a small facet of the issues we'll face. To put a humanizing face on it I wanted to share about KY, with the most risk for rural closure in the next decade. The chain reaction from this is unacceptable and untenable for the people.

Kentucky Faces the Nation’s Highest Number of Rural Hospitals at Risk of Closure if Congress Cuts Medicaid - Kentucky Center for Economic Policy

Proposed cuts to Medicaid risk 35 rural hospital closures in Kentucky alone, more than any other state in the nation.

kypolicy.org

This will happen everywhere to varying degree. This doesn't include clinics, etc.

 

[empliau]

Great resources, and I love that quote! When I was a kid, my dad played his tapes (tapes!) in the car every day on the way home from school. Was it wildly inappropriate? Perhaps. Am I eternally grateful? Absolutely.

I love his investigation of language:

"I want it *now*!" "You mean you want it ... *then*?"

"Let Evel Knievel get *on* the effin' plane. I'm getting *in* the effin' plane."

 

[Lookinagain]

Maybe use AI to search for your key topic and summarize. I think it might be useful.

I think that the Parliamentarian may have removed it from the Senate version, even after they they had amended the House version. I searched the table of contents and the pdf for any word I could think of. Then I ended up googling it. Finding current information about what was removed wasn't easy but I'm pretty sure it was removed in it's entirety.

 

[Lookinagain]

Let me know the issue, and maybe I can point you in the right direction (if it's in there). I've gone over it so many times, I almost have it memorized.

It was the contempt issue. I know the Senate removed the "no contempt" if government refuses to follow a court order, but initially, the Senate version still required a bond in the amount of what the government claimed their damages would be, I can't find it and again, I'm pretty sure the Parliamentarian removed it as not appropriate for a reconciliation bill.

 

[RMOO]

This is just a small facet of the issues we'll face. To put a humanizing face on it I wanted to share about KY, with the most risk for rural closure in the next decade. The chain reaction from this is unacceptable and untenable for the people.

Kentucky Faces the Nation’s Highest Number of Rural Hospitals at Risk of Closure if Congress Cuts Medicaid - Kentucky Center for Economic Policy

Proposed cuts to Medicaid risk 35 rural hospital closures in Kentucky alone, more than any other state in the nation.

kypolicy.org

This will happen everywhere to varying degree. This doesn't include clinics, etc.

These potential closures will not only affect those local to the facility, which is of course the most important. But because these now-uninsured patients will still go to the emergency room when necessary, their cost of care will be higher than regular care. And because Medicaid patients are typically low income, there will be more instances of unpaid health care bills, that debt now being shifted to surrounding facilities, which in turn will raise their billed rates. And you know who pays for that? Anyone else that has insurance and pays.

 

[Autumn in New England]

"Let Evel Knievel get *on* the effin' plane. I'm getting *in* the effin' plane."

We recite this every single time we fly!

 

[empliau]

We recite this every single time we fly!

So glad someone else loves this!

 

[Autumn in New England]

These potential closures will not only affect those local to the facility, which is of course the most important. But because these now-uninsured patients will still go to the emergency room when necessary, their cost of care will be higher than regular care. And because Medicaid patients are typically low income, there will be more instances of unpaid health care bills, that debt now being shifted to surrounding facilities, which in turn will raise their billed rates. And you know who pays for that? Anyone else that has insurance and pays.

Yep... it really won't be long now until the middle class is extinct. We subsidize the rich and the low-income. So while the middle class's collective back is breaking, and the disadvantaged are barely surviving on what scraps we throw them, the wealthy will be enjoying billions of dollars in tax cuts at our expense.

Households making $30 thousand or less will see a tax increase of about $18 billion in the next few years, while households making more than $1 million will receive tax cuts totaling $242 billion. Along with the cuts to Medicaid by $1 trillion, education, nutrition assistance, and taxpayer jobs, tax hikes on child care, the closing of rural hospitals, a further deficit increase that will plague younger generations, the killing of clean energy investments and benefits, the ravaging of federal lands by the oil, gas, and coal industries, the harm to the environment from all of the Clean Power rollbacks, the defunding of public safety, cuts to National Park programs/wildfire prevention funds, the defunding of Planned Parenthood... this will literally all be funding the increased wealth of the upper 10%, especially the upper 1%.

So I'll summarize: This Bill is a massive tax break for the rich at the expense of the middle and working classes. All those campaign donors? They're receiving their returns now much like a Mafia Don demands repayment of certain favors.