"The Lawless Presidency"

[AnnaH]

Doubling national debt
Obamacare
Iran deal
Ignoring generals in the way to end Iraq war
Encouraging illegal immigration
Encouraging resentment toward law enforcement
Promoting Al Sharpton
Stopping the pipeline
Increasing regulations and government red tape

 

[t-c]

Doubling national debt
Obamacare
Iran deal
Ignoring generals in the way to end Iraq war
Encouraging illegal immigration
Encouraging resentment toward law enforcement
Promoting Al Sharpton
Stopping the pipeline
Increasing regulations and government red tape

Oops, sorry I missed this:

Doubling national debt - you are crediting all $9T to Obama? Please note the circumstances when Obama took office

• he inherited policies from the W Bush administration which was forecasted to cost over 1T
• he inherited a Great Recession so had to push a stimulus plan
  
• the Great Recession increased spending on unemployment, medicaid, etc...
  
• the Great Recession caused revenue to drop
• it took years before the country recovered, so revenue remained lower than usual and spending to help those who were affected stayed high

But what actual policies did he spend on?

• extension of the Bush tax cuts (you supported these tax cuts, didn't you?) is the single largest cost item during the Obama years
  
• stimulus package (more tax cuts, longer unemployment insurance, etc...)
• increased military spending (you're supporting Trump's policy, I assume)

Obamacare - I can't say anything about this. I support it and would like it expanded; you don't. Good luck with Trumpcare.
Iran deal - if you're talking about the prisoner release, then I agree with you.
Ignoring General in the way to end Iraq war - please keep in mind that Obama inherited this war that was started on false pretenses. If the Generals had a way to end the Iraq war, perhaps they should have implemented it during the George W Bush administration. That said, once the Obama administration inherited this shit storm, they should have dealt with it properly and not the half-assed way they did. Not that we would have been able to pull out of that morass anyway - as General Colin Powell said, in the Middle East, you break it, you own it. You are naive to think we can get out in the near future, but if Trump can do it, more power to him.

Encouraging illegal immigration - Barack Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than all other presidents combined. In the meantime, he's promoted a legal path to citizenship for those with no criminal record, as has previous presidents with amnesties.

Encouraging resentment towards law enforcement - I think law enforcement does a great job with that themselves, don't you. When you shoot unarmed people in the back, in their cars, people aren't going to trust you. When it happens many times throughout the country and when most of the victims are black, people are going to resent it and law enforcement should rightly be called out on it.

Promoting Al Sharpton - I have no idea about this, but I don't think it's an actual policy; I'll leave this with you.
Stopping the pipeline - there are legitimate environmental concerns about the pipeline namely disruption of ecosystems during building and the inevitable oil leaks. The current pipeline has leaked multiple times and the tar sand oil it carries are harder to clean up. Instead of relying on really dirty tar sand oil from Canada, why not focus on hybrid and electric vehicles and renewable energy sources generated in the United States. You know, make America great again?

Increasing regulations and government red tape - I will have to pull up her post, but @partgypsy who apparently works for the federal government has said that reducing regulations was an initiative that was already happening in the Obama administration. ETA: I can't believe I found her post so quickly: Hope the President does a good job for USA

 

[redwood66]

TC everyone has different views on what you typed.

Homeland Security changed was being called a deportation to include ones that were turned away at the border. This made Obama appear tougher on immigration when he is in fact claiming those that were not previously counted. Instituted by Bush and increased by Obama. Frankly it appears to be fudging to gain a favorable view.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

As far as pipelines we have many thousands of miles of multiple pipelines across the US. If they were such an environmental problem we should have heard about this long ago. See map below. I have been to instructional presentations by several utility pipeline owners on the safety and necessary maintenance of the local large pipelines. It is extensive. And fully regulated by the federal government. Tankers driving across the road system are much more vulnerable to accidents.


Barack Obama called out law enforcement before any details were known in several high profile cases. This foments an us/them attitude. Which also led to Trump.

Obama's stimulus package that included shovel ready jobs has been proven to be an expensive waste of $ and he admitted it himself.

I agree that Bush spent way too much blood and treasure in Iraq. Now what do we have for all of that loss? More needed to eradicate ISIS.

 

[t-c]

Barack Obama changed what was being called a deportation to include ones that were turned away at the border. This makes him appear tougher on immigration when he is in fact claiming those that were not previously counted.

That's different from "encouraging illegal immigration".

As far as pipelines we have many thousands of miles of multiple pipelines across the US. If they were such an environmental problem we should have heard about this long ago. See map below. I have been to instructional presentations by several utility pipeline owners on the safety and necessary maintenance of the local large pipelines. It is extensive. And fully regulated by the federal government. Tankers driving across the road system are much more vulnerable to accidents.

Keystone Leak Worse Than Thought
Pipeline Owner: North Dakota Crude Spill Larger than First Estimated
Magellan has 28 pipeline spills in Iowa. Will Dakota Access do better?
Are you trusting the federal government now? What will happen when Trump cuts programs that monitors these pipelines?Tankers are vulnerable, but they don't carry an unending amount of crude.

 

[redwood66]

The tit for tat could go on forever. I believe environmentalists take it too far and you don't.

As far as immigration, you are the one who said this below. My response was to that assertion. The article I posted indicates that backing off deporting those that are farther than 100 miles from the border has encouraged illegal immigration.

Barack Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than all other presidents combined.

 

[AnnaH]

I consider Al Sharpton a race baiter, yet he was one of President Obama's frequent advisors. I think he should have chosen someone like Alveda King.

BTW, my list wasn't comprehensive, just off the top of my head. I guess I could post a few articles critiquing the Obama Presidency, but tc can easily find those on her own, as can we all.
As you say, Red, tit for tat.

I do agree, tc, that Bush spent too much money and unnecessarily engulfed us in Iraq. I've posted that before (not that I expect anyone to remember.). As I've also stated, Obama inherited a mess. My problem is he made it worse, not better. Trump could make his inherited mess worse, but I do think that he has made some improvements. It's early days. I hope for the best.

 

[t-c]

I consider Al Sharpton a race baiter, yet he was one of President Obama's frequent advisors. I think he should have chosen someone like Alveda King.

BTW, my list wasn't comprehensive, just off the top of my head. I guess I could post a few articles critiquing the Obama Presidency, but tc can easily find those on her own, as can we all.
As you say, Red, tit for tat.

I do agree, tc, that Bush spent too much money and unnecessarily engulfed us in Iraq. I've posted that before (not that I expect anyone to remember.). As I've also stated, Obama inherited a mess. My problem is he made it worse, not better. Trump could make his inherited mess worse, but I do think that he has made some improvements. It's early days. I hope for the best.

You have to also take into consideration that the House of Rep was Republican-controlled and that all spending bills originate from the House. Obama signed bills, but it originated from the House.

And what inherited mess? It certainly isn't the economy, which is improving.