The entire CDC Vaccine Advisory Panel has been fired.

[lyra]

Thank you @missy . I read all of your informative medical posts. I'm currently considering getting. my summer vax this year. It's spreading a lot where I am right now.

 

[missy]

Thank you @missy . I read all of your informative medical posts. I'm currently considering getting. my summer vax this year. It's spreading a lot where I am right now.

Stay well Lyra. Sending so many good wishes your way

 

[Matata]

Science and medicine are fallible. Covid caught the US by surprise. Pharma scrambled to find a way to lessen covid's effects while at the same time learning how the virus worked. The virus was a moving target. It was difficult to determine who was dying from covid and who was dying from co morbidities. To interpret the rapidly changing information during the pandemic as lies is....something.

There are video interviews of CEO and higher ups in these companies that made some of the vaxxes and they are being asked if they took it, go see what they said.

It's your responsibility as a participant in a discussion/debate to provide evidence of your claims; otherwise, your posts are just a scroll by.

 

[jaaron]

There are video interviews of CEO and higher ups in these companies that made some of the vaxxes and they are being asked if they took it, go see what they said.

@Gloria27 Do you have a source for this? If you are referring to Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, please note that his quote was taken out of context and the claim is untrue. Please fact check this.

And for anyone who wants a covid vaccine but is hesitant about the mrna platform, please look at the Novavax shot, which is a traditional vaccine and very effective.

I wonder how many sceptics would refuse the (probably now out of development) mrna shot if they or one of their loved ones had pancreatic cancer?

 

[Gloria27]

There are video interviews of CEO and higher ups in these companies that made some of the vaxxes and they are being asked if they took it, go see what they said.

@Gloria27 Do you have a source for this? If you are referring to Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, please note that his quote was taken out of context and the claim is untrue. Please fact check this.

And for anyone who wants a covid vaccine but is hesitant about the mrna platform, please look at the Novavax shot, which is a traditional vaccine and very effective.

I wonder how many sceptics would refuse the (probably now out of development) mrna shot if they or one of their loved ones had pancreatic cancer?

Covid had a very low risk of mortality for my age bracket, why would I risk myocarditis and potential future health problems from the jab?
Being under a death sentence (pancreatic cancer which has no cure) is a "I have nothing to lose" situation, totally different. So no, I would not refuse the gene therapy, of course not.
Had covid twice, no long covid, my choice made sense for myself.
I am all for "my body my choice" but the jabs were mandated, that is the problem.
We are all different, same treatment doesn't work the same for everybody and the jab had some horrendous side effects and even death for some. Too risky in my opinion, and my opinion does not extend beyond my own person, part of my family took it.

I did not save the video, it was so long ago, more than a year.

 

[Lookinagain]

@Gloria27 Do you have a source for this? If you are referring to Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, please note that his quote was taken out of context and the claim is untrue. Please fact check this.

I just fact checked this and yes, it says he was vaccinated and there is a social media post of his with a photo showing him getting an injection, with a comment about it being the vaccine.

 

[LightBright]

Missy, thanks for your thoughtful reply with links to back up your statements. However, just because the mRNA idea was invented sixty years ago doesn’t mean there were clinical trials done demonstrating the safety and efficacy of “vaccination” with LNP mRNA for preventing viral disease before our government and the fired Advisory Board rushed the approvals.

I should say, that rushing the approvals was not unreasonable given what we did know. Mandating the vaccines was wrong. (The Advisory Board did not make that decision but they did put the mRNA COVID vaccine on the childhood schedule).

The entire world were the test subjects.

AFAIK there had never been proper clinical trials on the mRNA technology being used to prevent viral disease, prior to this trial and then global launch. The adenoviral vector technology was shown to fail when it was trialed. (Look up the African HIV Trials that failed).

You are speaking in generalities that mRNA vaccines are safe for all. Please review Dr. Akiko Iwasaki’s research at Yale. Or visit any Long COVID chat group. At least 20% were vaccine injured. And for the novel risk, these are non sterilizing and only confer temporary immunity (months not years), requiring yearly boosters.

We can split hairs all day. But bottom line I feel you are generalizing about safety (yes it’s been “very safe” for some people I know) and I’m not impressed with six months of robust antibodies which then require a booster.

As for the people that are calling me a liar, that’s a radical technique used to shut down dissent, I don’t respect that. Assertions that I’m moving the goal posts well… the goal posts were moved in the sloppy clinical trial that studied two months versus two years because they vaccinated the placebo group, and a Process Two global launch of the formula which was not reflected in the original clinical trials. Please look up the differences between Process One which was studied and Process Two which was mandated.

I’m fine with the concept of available vaccines and I’m happy that the FDA has removed the adenoviral vector vaccine which quantifiably injured recipients to the point they were removed, and revised its advisory to recommend mRNA COVID vaccines to over 65 and those with health risks, but not mandated for school children like the previous panel tolerated. Thank goodness for common sense.

 

[missy]

@LightBright I do not think you are a liar. Never did. You are a lovely person and I always appreciate your input.
I am speaking in generalities but never said the mrna vaccines are safe for all. Just most. As with all vaccines there is a (small) segment of the population who will experience adverse effects. Sometimes severe.

There has been too much misinformation about vaccines in general (yes speaking in generalities again) and many (not you) want to villianize vaccines. Vaccines are life saving.

My sister has long Covid and it is no joke. She got the first two vaccines but not the others and she got covid twice (or three times) and now she is dealing with repercussions.

Very few vaccines are forever and many require a booster. And some require more than one booster. That is not unusual.
For example the shingles vaccine i(series of two) s not viable forever. Neither is the influenza vaccine. Both, IMO, important vaccines.

And if you do not like the mrna technology there is always Novavax


I am in a rush right now but if I remember and have the energy I will search for available studies to share at another time.

 

[missy]

Thank goodness for common sense.

One more thing. I do not believe common sense is prevailing here and my prediction is we will see a return of diseases previously eradicated with vaccines. One example- Measles is back. I shudder to think about small pox and polio returning. Vaccines for school age children for certain diseases should be mandated because not everyone uses common sense. One thing about common sense. It is not as common as one would think

 

[Matata]

The numero uno question is what is our obligation, as individual members of a society with agency over own bodies (unless you're a woman), to protect others? Hypothetically, if the next pandemic has a 95% mortality rate across the entire age spectrum and a vaccine becomes available, do we wait 2 years for clinical trials and several years for longitudinal studies before we mandate a vaccine while millions to billions of people die because there might be an unpleasant side effect.

 

[Gloria27]

The numero uno question is what is our obligation, as individual members of a society with agency over own bodies (unless you're a woman), to protect others? Hypothetically, if the next pandemic has a 95% mortality rate across the entire age spectrum and a vaccine becomes available, do we wait 2 years for clinical trials and several years for longitudinal studies before we mandate a vaccine while millions to billions of people die because there might be an unpleasant side effect.

95% mortality? that is a literal apocalypse aka collapse of all civilization, and the few people that survive will go back to sticks and stones IF the world doesn't blow up because who the heck is maintaining the nuclear reactors etc...

Let me ask you this, who is now paying for those injured by the covid vax? nobody!!! not you, not me, nobody is! most are being medically gaslighted, lost everything and are effed for life now waiting for gov handouts to survive another day

so let's get back to you do you

the vax din not stop the spread, it was never tested for it, it was all lies but it came out eventually because truth always does


btw, if a virus with 20% mortality rate becomes the next world pandemic it can be the end of civilization as we know it, covid wasn't even close at 0.4%

 

[Matata]

95% mortality? that is a literal apocalypse aka collapse of all civilization, and the few people that survive will go back to sticks and stones IF the world doesn't blow up because who the heck is maintaining the nuclear reactors etc...

Let me ask you this, who is now paying for those injured by the covid vax? nobody!!! not you, not me, nobody is! most are being medically gaslighted, lost everything and are effed for life now waiting for gov handouts to survive another day

so let's get back to you do you

the vax din not stop the spread, it was never tested for it, it was all lies but it came out eventually because truth always does

The bubonic plague wiped out between 30%-60% of Europe's population. Apocalyptic.

So to reiterate, claims without evidence from credible sources (ie scientific method yielding repeatable outcomes) = it didn't happen. I'm not saying that what you claim isn't true at least in part but when all I can think of are questions -- How many were injured by the vaccine vs how many weren't? How many allegedly injured were totally incapacitated? How was it determined that the injury was solely due to the vaccine? -- without any hint of answers from the claimant, then I disregard the claim.

 

[Gloria27]

The bubonic plague wiped out between 30%-60% of Europe's population. Apocalyptic.

So to reiterate, claims without evidence from credible sources (ie scientific method yielding repeatable outcomes) = it didn't happen. I'm not saying that what you claim isn't true at least in part but when all I can think of are questions -- How many were injured by the vaccine vs how many weren't? How many allegedly injured were totally incapacitated? How was it determined that the injury was solely due to the vaccine? -- without any hint of answers from the claimant, then I disregard the claim.

The bubonic plague does not compare, different time, different technology, different everything. Now, most people live in flat and buy everything from the supermarket using a card, just think of a major blackout, total chaos.

I edited the name of a person in a shocking case, I won't be posting it, it's not my
job.

You can disregard whatever you want, I have nothing else to say.

 

[jaaron]

Covid had a very low risk of mortality for my age bracket, why would I risk myocarditis and potential future health problems from the jab?
Being under a death sentence (pancreatic cancer which has no cure) is a "I have nothing to lose" situation, totally different. So no, I would not refuse the gene therapy, of course not.
Had covid twice, no long covid, my choice made sense for myself.
I am all for "my body my choice" but the jabs were mandated, that is the problem.
We are all different, same treatment doesn't work the same for everybody and the jab had some horrendous side effects and even death for some. Too risky in my opinion, and my opinion does not extend beyond my own person, part of my family took it.

I did not save the video, it was so long ago, more than a year.

You've given a reply to a question I didn't ask, but danced around replying to the one I did ask. You said, citing as support for your argument:

There are video interviews of CEO and higher ups in these companies that made some of the vaxxes and they are being asked if they took it, go see what they said.

When I asked about the video in question, pointing out that the 'fact' you cited has been widely debunked, you brushed it off saying you did not save it. You seem therefore to have formed your position based, partially at least, on false information.

Incidentally, the risk of developing myocarditis following the vaccine is 3.2% vs 18.3% following infection with covid 19. Yes, your body your choice, but you might want to be smart enough to do the math when assessing risks.

Ok, off to look at bling. Have a nice night all