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lizzardxoxo

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In the process of upgrading my 1.74 carat round diamond. Debating between a 2.72 GIA or a 3.01 GIA carat round.

Stats:

2.72 carat round
Ideal cut
F color
VS1 clarity
61.8% depth
58% table
Polish & symmetry excellent
girdle medium to slightly thick
Pav angle 40.8%
Crown 35.5%

-or-

3.02 carat round
Ideal cut
F color
VS2 clarity
62.3% depth
56% table
Polish & symmetry excellent
Crown angle 35.5%
Pavilion 40.6%
Girdle medium



Opinions?


Thanks in advance!

LizzardXOXO
 

marymm

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

Can you post the diameters for each stone?
 

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

marymm|1471204578|4065958 said:
Can you post the diameters for each stone?
You beat me to it!

Also, do you have ASET images for these stones? With the crown angles over 35, you need them.

I will say in general that it is almost always a better value to buy high in a carat range than going up just over the next carat mark. But it all depends on what your end goal is. I will tell you that a 2.7 is going to be huge compared to a 1.7!
 

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

Does it have to be round?

Would you consider a 3 ct oval? Price will be similar to a 2.7 round, but faces up bigger than a 3 ct round. Then you have the best of both worlds.
 

lizzardxoxo

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

Thanks! Here are the dimensions:

3.02 carat:

9.21 x 9.25 x 5.75 mm

2.74 carat:

8.94 x 8.9 x 5.51 mm
 

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Is this size difference worth an extra $10K to you? ...because it wouldn't be to me. [emoji56]
 

lizzardxoxo

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

Thank you for the information. This is extremely helpful!

My preference has always been round (instead of oval), but I can see how the oval shape would give an illusion of being bigger. Unfortunately, my heart is set on round. :angel:
 

lizzardxoxo

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

How do I go about retrieving an ASET image?
 

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

What vendor is selling the diamonds? Are you set on F color? I'd go to G color if going over 3 cts.

(great graphic, msop! I wouldn't pay $10k more, either.)
 

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

lizzardxoxo|1471206692|4065977 said:
Blue Nile
I don't think they will do ASETs. If you only want to shop at Blue Nile, then I'd narrow the parameters to 34-35.0 crown angle and 40.6-40.0 pavilion angle. You might look and see if other vendors have the same diamonds listed.

https://www.pricescope.com/diamond-search-results

The 3 ct is a little less risky with the cut, but I would not pay $10 more for that small of a difference in diameter.
 

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

This isa Blue Nile upgrade, so my options are limited to BN. I am not set on F color. Will continue my search!
 

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

lizzardxoxo|1471207166|4065980 said:
This isa Blue Nile upgrade, so my options are limited to BN. I am not set on F color. Will continue my search!

FWIW I did run the HCA tool on the two posted diamonds:

The 2.72ct F-VS1 scored 2.7 - Very Good - Worth buying if the price is right, with Very Good in each category (light return, fire, scintillation, and spread).

The 3.02ct F-VS2 scored 1.3 - Excellent within TIC range, scoring Excellent in 3 categories (light return, fire, scintillation), and Very Good in spread. It's "x" fell within the white outline for AGS OOO candidates.

While I don't think the 3.02ct would be worth an additional $10K in terms of the size differential, if you were to purchase the 2.72ct, I'd suggest taking it a professional independent appraiser who can examine it and get Aset and/or IdealScope images etc. so its performance can be thoroughly evaluated while still within BN's return period.

That said, with all the round brilliants available and continually being added to inventory, and your willingness to consider color grades other than F, I agree with your decision to continue your search.
 

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

Inthis case since 3 carat is better cut it might be. Please post measurements of the stones.
 

lizzardxoxo

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

Thank you all for your input. This is incredibly helpful for a newbie like me.

I took a glance at G colors and found this stone -


3.02 GIA
Round
Ideal
G color
VS2
Length width ratio = 1%
Depth 61.3%
Table 57%
Polish and symmetry excellent
Girdle medium to slightly thick
Measurements 9.31 x 9.28 x 5.70 mm
40.8 pavilion
34.5 crown
 

marymm

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

lizzardxoxo|1471208822|4066004 said:
Thank you all for your input. This is incredibly helpful for a newbie like me.

I took a glance at G colors and found this stone -


3.02 GIA
Round
Ideal
G color
VS2
Length width ratio = 1%
Depth 61.3%
Table 57%
Polish and symmetry excellent
Girdle medium to slightly thick
Measurements 9.31 x 9.28 x 5.70 mm
40.8 pavilion
34.5 crown
Scores great on the HCA - 1.3 Excellent (and falls within AGS OOO range). What are the listed inclusions?

bn_302_gvs2_hca.jpg
 

lizzardxoxo

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

Great!

Feather
Natural
Crystal
Cloud
 

lizzardxoxo

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

marymm|1471209147|4066012 said:
lizzardxoxo|1471208822|4066004 said:
Thank you all for your input. This is incredibly helpful for a newbie like me.

I took a glance at G colors and found this stone -


3.02 GIA
Round
Ideal
G color
VS2
Length width ratio = 1%
Depth 61.3%
Table 57%
Polish and symmetry excellent
Girdle medium to slightly thick
Measurements 9.31 x 9.28 x 5.70 mm
40.8 pavilion
34.5 crown
Scores great on the HCA - 1.3 Excellent (and falls within AGS OOO range). What are the listed inclusions?

bn_302_gvs2_hca.jpg

Thank you so much for the feedback. I ended up reserving the 3.02 carat G stone. It was much less $$ and exactly the size/quality I was hoping for. They are sending me a pic shortly.
 

Gypsy

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

lizzardxoxo|1471211570|4066024 said:
marymm|1471209147|4066012 said:
lizzardxoxo|1471208822|4066004 said:
Thank you all for your input. This is incredibly helpful for a newbie like me.

I took a glance at G colors and found this stone -


3.02 GIA
Round
Ideal
G color
VS2
Length width ratio = 1%
Depth 61.3%
Table 57%
Polish and symmetry excellent
Girdle medium to slightly thick
Measurements 9.31 x 9.28 x 5.70 mm
40.8 pavilion
34.5 crown
Scores great on the HCA - 1.3 Excellent (and falls within AGS OOO range). What are the listed inclusions?

bn_302_gvs2_hca.jpg

Thank you so much for the feedback. I ended up reserving the 3.02 carat G stone. It was much less $$ and exactly the size/quality I was hoping for. They are sending me a pic shortly.
Yeah, that is a winner. Love those numbers.

Make sure it is eyeclean. Ask them to pull the stone and tell you if it is eyeclean and also to send you a picture. You need both.
 

lizzardxoxo

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

Gypsy|1471218063|4066066 said:
lizzardxoxo|1471211570|4066024 said:
marymm|1471209147|4066012 said:
lizzardxoxo|1471208822|4066004 said:
Thank you all for your input. This is incredibly helpful for a newbie like me.

I took a glance at G colors and found this stone -


3.02 GIA
Round
Ideal
G color
VS2
Length width ratio = 1%
Depth 61.3%
Table 57%
Polish and symmetry excellent
Girdle medium to slightly thick
Measurements 9.31 x 9.28 x 5.70 mm
40.8 pavilion
34.5 crown
Scores great on the HCA - 1.3 Excellent (and falls within AGS OOO range). What are the listed inclusions?

bn_302_gvs2_hca.jpg

Thank you so much for the feedback. I ended up reserving the 3.02 carat G stone. It was much less $$ and exactly the size/quality I was hoping for. They are sending me a pic shortly.
Yeah, that is a winner. Love those numbers.

Make sure it is eyeclean. Ask them to pull the stone and tell you if it is eyeclean and also to send you a picture. You need both.
Blue Nile said it's eye clean and sent me a very magnified picture. I'm slightly freaking out about the inclusions (which they said you can absolutely not see with a naked eye). The stone is almost $6k less than the 2.74 carat F that I posted above and $13k less than the original 3 carat I inquired about.

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Gypsy

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

I see nothing of concern. They have a great return policy. Get it and see what you think.
 

lizzardxoxo

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

Thank you, Gypsy!

I feel so much better already, thanks to your positive reassurance (and my glass of much-needed vino! :shifty: )

So grateful for this community. PS was a hugely helpful resource back in 2007 when we first started looking for an engagement ring, and still is to this day.

Thank you
 

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

flyingpig|1471223837|4066098 said:
since you listed the carat weight and specs, it is not hard to find the stone using PS search engine and google.

Put the stone on hold

http://www.since1910.com/diamond/3-02ct/g-vs2/round/brilliant/cut/diamond/-r-61666-72744008
I just will just post this, since noone is going to snatch a 50k stone.

click view actual diamond photo. It has images from different angles.
THANK YOU! This is incredibly helpful! Wow.

I "reserved" the stone through BN, but it's pending confirmation of availability.

Keeping my fingers crossed it is still available.

Are we crazy for buying a $50k diamond?!

More vino, please!
 

marymm

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

Hey, as a comparative or potential candidate, did you see the BN 3.03ct G-SI1 Signature Round, with medium fluorescence? Priced at under $48K? http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD04868019

Scores great on the HCA - 1.7 Excellent (and falls smack on border of AGS OOO range).

bn_303_gsi1_sigrd.jpg

The GCAL images also look solid.

As a BN Signature Round, it should be eye-clean, though always advisable to ask for gemologist opinion and for images.

I ran the AGA Cut Class Tool (http://www.pricescope.com/tools/AGA_NAJA_Cut_Class_Grader)on it, and it received a Total Score of 1A, with 1A in all categories excepting a 1B in crown angle.

[FWIW, I ran the AGA Cut Class Tool on the 3.02 G-VS2 stone you're holding, and it received a Total Score of 1A, with 1A in all categories.]
 

lizzardxoxo

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

marymm|1471227158|4066112 said:
Hey, as a comparative or potential candidate, did you see the BN 3.03ct G-SI1 Signature Round, with medium fluorescence? Priced at under $48K? http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD04868019

Scores great on the HCA - 1.7 Excellent (and falls smack on border of AGS OOO range).

bn_303_gsi1_sigrd.jpg

The GCAL images also look solid.

As a BN Signature Round, it should be eye-clean, though always advisable to ask for gemologist opinion and for images.

I ran the AGA Cut Class Tool (http://www.pricescope.com/tools/AGA_NAJA_Cut_Class_Grader)on it, and it received a Total Score of 1A, with 1A in all categories excepting a 1B in crown angle.

[FWIW, I ran the AGA Cut Class Tool on the 3.02 G-VS2 stone you're holding, and it received a Total Score of 1A, with 1A in all categories.]
Thank you, Marymm :)) I did not see that stone, but it looks like a beauty and would save me a little over a grand!
 

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Re: Spend the extra $10k for a 3.02 carat or stick with 2.72

No!!! if you can afford it, go for it.. wish I could!!! lucky you !!!!! <3
 
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