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Hello Guys,

I found the princess cut stone after a lot searching and this is it. What do you guys think about this stone.

Report: GIA
Carat Weight: 1.59
Color: H
Clarity: VS2
Depth%: 73.3
Table %: 72
Symmetry: G
Polish: VG
Girdle: M-TK
Culet: N
Fluorescence: N
Measurements: 6.49 x 6.47 x 4.74
Price: $8,000

I tried finding the best cut I could, I would liked a smaller table but this one is not that bad.
The only thing I am worried about is the Color: H , I hope its not too noticiable in a platinum band.

Well let me know what you guys think about this.
looking forward to your replies.
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Thanks alot
James
 
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Hi Jim,

You may not be getting a lot of responses on this as fancy''s are a tough beast to tackle via the net. On princess cuts in particular 4 sets of angles need to be known to even arrive at an estimate.

What I would do if I were you is if you feel confident in this diamond based on the information you have received from the vendor you may want to consider having it sent to an appraiser who performs analysis for light performance. Off the cuff

www.consumersgemlab.com (he can also tell if you it gets AGS ideal light performance)
www.gemlab.us
www.sarasotagemlab.com
www.gemappraisers.com

Check out these 4. You can''t go wrong with any of them and each one can provide you with light performance analysis.

Good luck!
 
Thanks alot Rhino for your advice. I will take alook at those sites. Also, do you think showing the stone to just my appraiser will not be enough ! ! or is it important to go through one of the specialized labs?
 
i would def. ask for an idealscope image and crown/pavilion numbers. those make all the difference. get those and come back to the board and you''ll get honest feedback on the numbers/images. the numbers you gave so far look good - my only hesitation would be the "G" symmetry. i like the princesses that have VG or Exc symmetry b/c i think symmetry that is off in a princess is really obvious since they are really a symmetrical stone by design. there''s nothing wrong with good symmetry, i would just want to verify that i liked the looks of it in person. just a personal preference though.

i have an H princess about that size (1.64) and it''s set in platinum. i haven''t seen it yet but my FF says it looks white to him. and i have seen the stone itself, which faced up with no color IMO. so i think the H is a great way to go to save a few $$ and still get a fabulous stone.

good luck!
 
Date: 10/17/2006 10:38:58 PM
Author: tdiddy
my only hesitation would be the ''G'' symmetry. i like the princesses that have VG or Exc symmetry b/c i think symmetry that is off in a princess is really obvious since they are really a symmetrical stone by design. there''s nothing wrong with good symmetry, i would just want to verify that i liked the looks of it in person. just a personal preference though.
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I totally agree with this. Sym is subjective. Some people are more sensitive than others. You may have to see it to decide. My husband and I viewed a VG and a Good. He could see the difference!!! We went with the VG.
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Thanks alot for your input Tdiddy and Stone Hunter. I will try to get a hold of the Ideal scope images, will all vendors have these images ! !

Also, would anybody know if the GIA report has the crown and pavilion info on the report, or is this info only provided by the vendor?

The ''G'' symmetry was something I had a concern about also, but I just couldn''t find a stone with all the requirements I wanted. The vendor has a 10 day return policy, so I can look at the stone and see if the symmetry affects the shine/brilliance etc. The only thing I would lose is the shipping, but I guess there is no way around that.

Well thanks for all the input, I''ll try to get those crown and pavilion numbers.
 
The GIA report will not provide crown and pavilion angles. The vendor has to obtain these data points through separate analyses. If the stone is inhouse at the vendor, they can give you this info easily. If they have to bring it in, they may charge you a fee (like $25) that is usually waived if you purchase the stone. Either way, it''s worth $25 to know whether or not you are getting the most for your $8000. They can also take an Idealscope image and other pics (magnified, etc) and send you that as well at the same time. The magnified pics and Idealscope are a good way to look at symmetry initially before you see it in person. More importantly, the Idealscope will show you light leakage - which is a good way to judge the quality of the stone.
 
I just emailed the vendor and asked them to provide me with the crown and pavilion angles and the idealscope image once the diamond gets in. Lets see what they say. I really hope all the figures are good, I need this diamond, time is runing out for me (2 weeks)...haha
 

Ok so I got a reply from the vendor regarding the Ideal Scope image and the crown and pavilion angles.



The vendor said that they don''t have the ability to take an Idealscope image that looks very clear and that Idealscope images are mainly designed to show the H&A patterns of a Round diamond. So they don''t give much usable information when viewing a Princess cut.



They also said that the new GIA certificates don''t come with the crown and pavilion angles and they currently dont have a Sarin machine in their office.



But they did send me some picutres of the stone and added some red to the last shot to simulate an Idealscope. Here are the pics attached:


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Here is the top view:

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and finally the red picture, to simulate an Idealscope.

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Never heard of a "picture to simulate an idealscope".............
 
Do the princess experts see a problem with the Sym of this stone''s table. I''m looking at the top center and the top left. It looks off to me. A big deal or not? I don''t know anything about Princess stones.
 
hi james22,

if the vendor can''t provide these data to you and you don''t have the ability to take an idealscope with you to view it in person, i personally would not purchase the stone from that vendor. and the statement that idealscope images are mailny taken to show hearts and arrows is not correct either. the point is to show light leakage and the idealscope definitely can be used to judge a good princess from a bad one.

it looks like whiteflash also has the ability to call this same exact stone inhouse....have you considered trying to work with them instead of the vendor you are using now? a lot of people on this board have had great experiences with them and they should be able to get that data for you.
 
what what what in the heck is this!?

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what is that???
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poor diamond pic (not including the above) + extremely LAME attempt to make an idealscope image by coloring a picture red + completely wrong info about the use of said idealscope = DO NOT BUY FROM THIS VENDOR.

find a reputable diamond vendor that will supply you with information that you can use to make an informed buying decision.
 
haha belle. I don''t know a lot about princess cuts but when I saw the pic I thought the same thing. what in the world is that supposed to be
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I agree with everything belle said completely.
 
Date: 10/18/2006 10:17:50 PM
Author: belle
what what what in the heck is this!?

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what is that???
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poor diamond pic (not including the above) + extremely LAME attempt to make an idealscope image by coloring a picture red + completely wrong info about the use of said idealscope = DO NOT BUY FROM THIS VENDOR.

find a reputable diamond vendor that will supply you with information that you can use to make an informed buying decision.
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Hi James....first of all...lose this vendor!!!

Those images crack me up. Something new for PS.

Do you SERIOUSLY only have two weeks to get a diamond...mounted?????

If so, it seems to me you''ll have to let the vendor do the choosing, and it had better be a knowledgeable and trustworthy one......

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I thought vendors listed on pricescope were reputable, but I guess I am wrong. I didn''t want to mention names but since all of you think the same way about those pics, I will mention the name.

I decided to get this diamond from "Abazias.com" since they have this diamond for a better price then the rest listed on PriceScope. All the sites listing this diamond in pricescope say it is premium. But if "Abazias.com" can''t provide all the info, does it mean this diamond is defininatly bad ?

I am a bit worried now, but here is the link for this diamond on other sites listed with pricescope, including Abazias.com: (Diamondonweb.com has this stone listed as "signature ideal")

I have put the price from each site under the link:

http://www.abazias.com/database/NewDiamondInfo.asp?stock=32247532&flag=ps
($7,956.98)

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/diamond_Details.aspx?itemcode=10749096
($8,123.00)

http://www.adiamor.com/D-5205866.htm
($8,057.00)

http://search.virtcert.com/cgi/u/1012/v.cgi?stock=6681808&_s=1012&_p=sdf348gd743&_c=&_fs=1&prestock=&_ln=ps
($8031.34 )

http://www.engagementringsdirect.com/diamonds/10749096
($8,031.00)

http://www.diamondsonweb.com/shopping_dd/ddetail.pl?shape=PR;p_min=7000;p_max=10000;ct_min=1.56;ct_max=1.59;lab=GIA;origin=dia_form;search.x=22;search.y=6;clar=VS2;color=H&sortby=&sorto=&id=1761185&start=0
($8,626.00)

Let me know what you guys think, should I really tell Abazias to send the stone back, because they already have it in their possesion and are ready to mount it and ship it to me. Or should I tell them I dont want it and then I will have to wait till it gets to another vendor that will bee able to take those better pictures for me. I need the ring by the 27th of this month.

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