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johnSD

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So here goes, seeking what seems to be the impossible.

My wife has her mind set on a large EC upgrade, however, we have a budget. She is diligent about doing all the online searches, here and Rarecarat. So far only one has popped up, ordered it through B2C Jewels. Great experience, wrote about it, just wasn't right. Great size, ratio, color, clarity, price, just way too much light leakage and black in the middle. Sent it back. So here goes if anyone has some magical source!

EC- carat weight will probably be around 4ct
Ideal Ratio: 1.3 or a tad lower
Must measure 10.5x8.0 or above
I color or of course higher
Any clarity as long as eye clean
Fluorescence is fine
Budget...absolutely max is 45, was 40K.

This was the stone we ordered in. Really beautiful when you had just the right tilt.
https://www.fourmine.com/shop/diamond/90346941?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=2017
 
I'd wait to get input from folks better with ECs, but this meets the brief. Its showing a lot of reflection from the camera (the black), but that's really a photo setup effect.

https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/4.02-ct-I-VS2-Affinity-Cut-Emerald-Diamond/D41386639

But, with your budget and wants, I'd be inclined to contact Yoram at GemConcepts and see if he would consider a custom cut. He has a Old Emerald Cut pattern that is TDF. An old cut will have a culet, highlighted below, but I wonder if Yoram can make this smaller if that is your preference.

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This is in his boutique, a real antique step-cut, and gives *me* heart flutters. Its a J, but I bet you could arrange to view this and see if that matters to your lady.
http://gemconcepts.net/boutique/beautiful-rare-vintage-emerald-cut-diamond/
 

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johnSD said:
So here goes, seeking what seems to be the impossible.

My wife has her mind set on a large EC upgrade, however, we have a budget. She is diligent about doing all the online searches, here and Rarecarat. So far only one has popped up, ordered it through B2C Jewels. Great experience, wrote about it, just wasn't right. Great size, ratio, color, clarity, price, just way too much light leakage and black in the middle. Sent it back. So here goes if anyone has some magical source!

EC- carat weight will probably be around 4ct
Ideal Ratio: 1.3 or a tad lower
Must measure 10.5x8.0 or above
I color or of course higher
Any clarity as long as eye clean
Fluorescence is fine
Budget...absolutely max is 45, was 40K.

This was the stone we ordered in. Really beautiful when you had just the right tilt.
https://www.fourmine.com/shop/diamond/90346941?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=2017
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Hi John and welcome!

Lovely project and I love EC's, very happy to help you look! I think we might struggle to get that weight and size though for the budget, closer to 3 carats is doable, but we just don't have the same flexibility with clarity as we would with a round diamond for the size which would help the budget stretch. Around 3 carats is doable though, see my post below for some examples of what you could get for the money, all are well cut which as you know is important but as you've discovered, finding an EC which looks good in this size is also a challenge.
 
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Here we go! Some are a bit smaller but I felt it worth showing these to you as such large diamonds that have decent cuts are thin on the ground.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/3.21-carat-i-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-2692170

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/3.51-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-sku-3414447

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/3.51-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-sku-4581838


https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/3.10-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-4666154

A larger diamond below.

https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/I-VS1-Affinity-Cut-Emerald-Diamond/D40829202
 
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All of the above are great suggestions! But I’d also encourage you to talk to Jon at August Vintage, Inc. He’s been working on an emerald cut lately and what I’ve seen so far has been fantastic! His goal is always to minimize light leakage as much as possible. I’m sure he could have a stone custom-cut for you if he doesn’t have what you’re looking for in stock.
 
Irishgrrrl said:
All of the above are great suggestions! But I’d also encourage you to talk to Jon at August Vintage, Inc. He’s been working on an emerald cut lately and what I’ve seen so far has been fantastic! His goal is always to minimize light leakage as much as possible. I’m sure he could have a stone custom-cut for you if he doesn’t have what you’re looking for in stock.
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rockysalamander said:
I'd wait to get input from folks better with ECs, but this meets the brief. Its showing a lot of reflection from the camera (the black), but that's really a photo setup effect.

https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/4.02-ct-I-VS2-Affinity-Cut-Emerald-Diamond/D41386639

But, with your budget and wants, I'd be inclined to contact Yoram at GemConcepts and see if he would consider a custom cut. He has a Old Emerald Cut pattern that is TDF. An old cut will have a culet, highlighted below, but I wonder if Yoram can make this smaller if that is your preference.

upload_2018-4-28_5-27-8.png

This is in his boutique, a real antique step-cut, and gives *me* heart flutters. Its a J, but I bet you could arrange to view this and see if that matters to your lady.
http://gemconcepts.net/boutique/beautiful-rare-vintage-emerald-cut-diamond/
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I agree with both of these suggestions! I have personal experience working with both of them, and have purchased from Yoram, previously. Neither of these vendors disappoint, and I’m positive, you won’t find a better cut, large EC on the planet than the invatory these two have at their fingertips, or the cutting skills to create a masterpiece that will only shine brightly, with very little to no light leakage!!
With your budget, you really should reach out to both of them, and see who can give you what you’re looking for! They live for situations like yours!
Best of luck! Please do share what you find!!! From one step cut lover to another: I can’t wait to see what you find!!! :mrgreen2:
 
Is Jon cutting EC's in diamond yet though? I thought he was just doing moissy prototypes at the moment, but definitely no harm in asking him.
 
Lorelei said:
Is Jon cutting EC's in diamond yet though? I thought he was just doing moissy prototypes at the moment, but definitely no harm in asking him.
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I’m not sure if he’s started cutting EC diamonds yet, but I know he’s working toward that. Now that he has released some EC moissies, I’m sure diamonds aren’t far behind. And they’re definitely worth waiting for! :love:
 
No, Jon's not cutting the antique emerald diamonds yet, and he needs to get a couple of prototypes out first. Regardless of who the cutter is, I wouldn't consider trying to custom cut a 4 ct stone. Way to much risk to commit to something I haven't seen.

Personally, I adore the antiques and have also seen the diamond and ring from Grace above in person. It's one of the most beautiful rings ever! (Oh, and you can make an offer.)
 
Thanks y'all for helping so much! I had a feeling it would be hard to find with the current inventory out. We have a Tiffany's and Cartier near us and we saw some stunning 4ct ECs. Tiffany's had some larger tables with great spreads, didn't mind that look at all. And they seemed to measure bigger with a larger table.

So...thinking a custom cut might be a really intriguing idea. I have thought about reaching out to Brian Gavin but figured it would astronomical. Would we be better to wait for a very good, very good polish and symmetry and perhaps a larger table to get the spread?

But it might be worth enquiring with the folks you listed. I will email them on Monday. Long shot, but any idea what cutting a diamond around 4ct would cost? My wife doesn't have to have the absolutely "perfect" cut EC, just something with some good light return and huge black spots. We are not the diamond experts as you all are on here:) Size is a big deal to her.
 
This is what I was afraid of. We actually thought about cutting down the diamond we ordered but were worried it would fall below the dimensions we wanted. Do you think we should have kept it and at least tried to make a "unicorn" out of it???

https://www.fourmine.com/shop/diamond/90346941?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=2017

diamondseeker2006 said:
No, Jon's not cutting the antique emerald diamonds yet, and he needs to get a couple of prototypes out first. Regardless of who the cutter is, I wouldn't consider trying to custom cut a 4 ct stone. Way to much risk to commit to something I haven't seen.

Personally, I adore the antiques and have also seen the diamond and ring from Grace above in person. It's one of the most beautiful rings ever! (Oh, and you can make an offer.)
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johnSD said:
Thanks y'all for helping so much! I had a feeling it would be hard to find with the current inventory out. We have a Tiffany's and Cartier near us and we saw some stunning 4ct ECs. Tiffany's had some larger tables with great spreads, didn't mind that look at all. And they seemed to measure bigger with a larger table.

So...thinking a custom cut might be a really intriguing idea. I have thought about reaching out to Brian Gavin but figured it would astronomical. Would we be better to wait for a very good, very good polish and symmetry and perhaps a larger table to get the spread?

But it might be worth enquiring with the folks you listed. I will email them on Monday. Long shot, but any idea what cutting a diamond around 4ct would cost? My wife doesn't have to have the absolutely "perfect" cut EC, just something with some good light return and huge black spots. We are not the diamond experts as you all are on here:) Size is a big deal to her.
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It's an option but as DS says, there is a risk involved and as you are specific with your L/W ratio etc, the stone might not come out as you want, might not grade as expected and might not even appeal to you once done. Plus add in the risk factor that it might not make expected weight, expected shape, colour or clarity or it could go higher and that could influence cost, or it could even break in the process, it's definitely safer to find an existing stone as you'd be the one eating the loss should anything go wrong.

Diamond cutting is normally priced per carat if I remember rightly. I wouldn't consider buying the one you looked at and recutting because of the reasons I listed above and there are probably other important caveats I've missed or aren't qualified to make such as the stone not being suitable for recutting, recutting might not make it what you want anyway or improve how it looks and performs, even with considerable loss of weight but only an experienced cutter with the stone in hand can advise on that.
 
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OoohShiny said:
Is this worth a look?

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/4.02-carat-i-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-3671187

Ring JA and put it on hold ASAP if it is, as otherwise stones get snapped up by lurkers! (The same is true for any stone posted on the forum that you like, from any seller!)
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That's worth a look for sure, looked at it earlier and it's over budget, IGI graded and not quite the L/W ratio that's wanted but something's going to have to give to get the size and a decent cut.
 
Thanks for looking and finding this...unfortunately my wife wants a "fatter" EC this time around. 1.3 or lower. She likes that look better rather than the skinny. But other than the ratio it looks really nice!

OoohShiny said:
Is this worth a look?

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/4.02-carat-i-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-3671187

Ring JA and put it on hold ASAP if it is, as otherwise stones get snapped up by lurkers! (The same is true for any stone posted on the forum that you like, from any seller!)
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johnSD said:
Thanks for looking and finding this...unfortunately my wife wants a "fatter" EC this time around. 1.3 or lower. She likes that look better rather than the skinny. But other than the ratio it looks really nice!
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John, what about an Asscher? Still a step cut, if she likes the squarer look that might be worth considering?
 
Sorry for the newbie question but what is IGI? I know AGS, EGL and of course GIA.
 
Let me show her some asschers. Is "J" out of the question for this large of an EC? "I" was our bottom for color...

Lorelei said:
John, what about an Asscher? Still a step cut, if she likes the squarer look that might be worth considering?
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johnSD said:
Let me show her some asschers. Is "J" out of the question for this large of an EC? "I" was our bottom for color...
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Ok, let us know what she thinks! A J might be a softer white or show a little more warmth but step cuts generally do anyway and it would help the budget.
 
johnSD said:
Sorry for the newbie question but what is IGI? I know AGS, EGL and of course GIA.
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IGI stands for International Gemological Institute, best to stick to GIA or AGS graded diamonds as these two labs are the industry gold standard. Some believe labs such as EGL and IGI are less strict on grading.
 
Lorelei said:
That's worth a look for sure, looked at it earlier and it's over budget, IGI graded and not quite the L/W ratio that's wanted but something's going to have to give to get the size and a decent cut.
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Ah, didn't spot the IGI grading...

VVS1 should give enough room for a softer clarity grading by GIA but still being eye-clean!
 
I will check out the Gem Concepts one for sure! What do we think of J color? Here is the 4.23 we ordered at it's worst angle. Good call on sending it back??
 

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