Ring Project with Whiteflash HELP!

[j450n]

hi guys,

ive left it for a bit as i was sorting out some stuff. Need help deciding on a diamond!
Help me choose one and explain why.. =(
ive eliminated all SIs and left with ACAs and a few Expert Selections
Budget is around~3.3k for the diamond (after pricescope discount) and $1095 for the Legato Sleek Line in White Gold...

also..proposal ideas. anything wrong with doing it underwater (scuba)... other than the risk factor of dropping it!?

The diamonds to choose from:

1) 0.706 Round G VS1 Ideal Whiteflash ACA AGS $3,289.00 Details
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2355081.htm

2) 0.714 Round G VS1 Ideal Whiteflash ACA AGS $3,326.00 Details
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2231205.htm

3) 0.716 Round G VS1 Ideal Whiteflash ACA AGS $3,335.00 Details
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2347508.htm

4) 0.718 Round G VS1 Ideal Whiteflash ACA AGS $3,345.00 Details
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2308989.htm

5) 0.721 Round G VS1 Ideal Whiteflash ACA AGS $3,359.00 Details
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2145411.htm

6) 0.722 Round G VS1 Ideal Whiteflash ACA AGS $3,363.00 Details
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2378011.htm

7) 0.748 Round G VS2 Ideal Expert Selection AGS $3,022.00 Details
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2347510.htm

8 ) 0.703 Round G VS1 Ideal Expert Selection AGS $3,112.00 Details
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2176282.htm

9) 0.728 Round F VS2 Ideal Expert Selection AGS $3,292.00 Details
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2231212.htm

10) 0.712 Round F VS1 Ideal Expert Selection AGS $3,562.00
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2231226.htm

 

[stone-cold11]

I would go with the largest ES stone.

As for scuba proposal. What are both of your training levels? For beginners, might be a health hazard during the shock of a proposal, first kiss will be difficult too.

 

[tyty333]

You could ask her underwater but I'd wait to give her the ring till you got back on the boat.

To many things to deal with and too many things that could go wrong...

(I'm a diver too).

 

[Andelain]

I'll throw in my $.02 worth here, and won't even charge for it.

I'd reconsider tossing out the SI1's and choose the 0.72 ct E SI1 ACA. Why, you ask? First off because I can tell E from F from G, and that E will be blazing white in anything you set it in. I wear a D 84 pointer set way down in yellow gold and the whiteness of it is unmistakeable. The other reason is that is WF tells you that stone is eye-clean then it is. Just ask, and be sure to tell then your definition of eye-clean.

 

[starryeyed]

Go with #7 - the 0.748 ct. It's the biggest and lower girdle number is comparable to the ACA. I'm color sensitive too, but I think a G is fine at this size. I noticed the 0.726 G VS2 sold - was that you or did someone else scoop that diamond?

Regarding the proposal, what if you put an empty scallop shell set or oyster shell set in your zippered pocket (before the dive) and then when you surface and are back on the boat, you can say, "look what I found" and give her the shells. When she opens them, ask her. Or work it out with the guys on the dive boat (if you trust them) to give you the shells when you surface.

I wouldn't do it under water - she could gasp and shoot to the surface to kiss you and wind up with the bends! I wouldn't do it in between 2 consecutive dives either. Fish treat you a little differently with diamonds on - many are attracted by the glimmer. I wouldn't want to tangle with a barracuda over an e-ring! Nor would I want it to accidentally slip off!

 

[j450n]

hi guys
thanks for the replies!
We're gonna get our license soon and we're in Australia and I was thinking about doing it in Hawaii if we end up scuba diving there too. So we're beginners, and based on your feedback (from divers) it sounds like it might be a bit of a risk and the excitement factor could make it hard. Anyone been to Hawaii have any suggestions?

StoneCold: Whats an ES Stone? Do you mean E colour or?

Andelain: I will have to talk to Liza from WF about SI stones and see what she thinks. There was so many to choose from so I thought I would just narrow it down by discarding the SI ones. Thanks for your suggestion. Will look into it.

starryeyed:unfortunately that wasn't me regarding the 0.726 G VS2 which was sold. I had to put my diamond purchase on hold as i was sorting out travel plans to the US, and needed to see where I would be and how I was to get the ring whilst in the states. Trip to hawaii has been finalised, so thats my green light to go ahead! Thats an awesome idea regarding the scallop/oyster/mussell shell. absolutely love it! hahah thanks!

Question: would you guys go for an SI (eyeclean) in E colour or a G with better clarity with diamonds of the same size and cut and price?
Just trying to see which has more importance?

Thanks guys!

 

[swingirl]

I don't have time to go through all the stones you picked. But I have a friend who had a ACA from Whiteflash in a G and it is a perfect color. Very white to my eyes. I am not sure I would notice much difference in any of the ACAs. They are cut very nicely and I would take WF's recommendation. Color is subjective. But a G is what I would pay for and get slightly better clarity rather than an E and lower clarity. But it all depends on what is available, where the inclusions are located and what you like.

ES is Whiteflash's Expert Selection. Its their own catogory of stone that isn't quite ACA but very close. Most of us couldn't tell the difference but the AGS report will show that something in the cut that gets a lower grading.

 

[stone-cold11]

ES is the Expert Selection. Mostly these stones just missed ACA grade. For this stone, nothing on the AGS report seems to indicate why it was not an ACA so probably the optical symm, aka. Hearts image is not up to ACA standard.

 

[j450n]

hi guys
ive narrowed it down to 2 diamonds and need your help!
please tell me if the extra $ on the bigger and clearer diamon will be worth it or should i stick with the smaller one and save the $?

These 2:
0.743 E vs2 $3686
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamond ... 378023.htm
0.72 E SI1 $3143
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamond ... 355082.htm

thanks guys!

 

[starryeyed]

hi guys
ive narrowed it down to 2 diamonds and need your help!
please tell me if the extra $ on the bigger and clearer diamon will be worth it or should i stick with the smaller one and save the $?

These 2:
0.743 E vs2 $3686
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamond ... 378023.htm
0.72 E SI1 $3143
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamond ... 355082.htm

thanks guys!

Sounds like you're getting closer j450n! The E VS2 is a clearer diamond, but it may not make a difference in real unmagnified life. It seems the E VS2 may be pushing your budget? Maybe ask if the SI-1 is eye-clean? We're talking $500 - I'm not sure it's worth the extra $$ - both look like beautiful diamonds!

 

[Supers]

Interesting - when I clicked on those links the prices were slightly different to what you had listed.
I was going to say, don't forget you get a slight discount for a Pricescope wire price - if that is any help at all.

 

[septsparkle]

Based on the 40x magnified image not showing anything I can see in terms of inclusions, I'd go with the Si1. I'd save the $500 or so since the stones are going to look almost the exact same size and I don't think there will be any visual difference between the VS2 and the Si1. Have them verify that it's eye clean, but I can't imagine it isn't based on that image unless there is something significant along the pavilion.

 

[j450n]

hi guys
sorry to do this to u guys.... but the exchange rate for AUD to USD is pretty good now..seems like the USD is dropping meaning i get more bang for my buck if i buy sometime soon!

im thinkin of trying to get into the 0.8 carat size..and i saw this one

0.81 D SI1 $3825 (PS Price)
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2219639.htm

compared to:
0.743 E VS2 $3573 (PS Price)
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2378023.htm

0.72 E SI1$3047 (PS Price)
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2355082.htm

its pushing the price a little above budget but its almost .1 bigger than the original si1 0.72 for $778 more but a better colour!
what do you guys think?? =\

i don't know why the PS price comes up sometimes and other times it doesnt!
but i managed to get the PS prices now!


decisions decisions decisions!!!!
any comments will be appreciated
hopefully get this done and dusted soon!

 

[stone-cold11]

yap, looks good if eye-clean.

color is personal preference, I would drop to G/H and see what is available, but you want a colorless.

PS price, probably cookie activated? You must have visited PS first before going to WF I think, maybe also use PS diamond search function?

 

[tyty333]

If eye-clean I would go with the bigger one.

 

[j450n]

damn
supposedly the 0.8 isn't as eyeclean as the 0.72.
=(
thats no good.
i guess its the 0.72 ...hmmm

 

[stone-cold11]

hmm... what do they mean isn't as eye-clean as the other stone???

 

[Dreamer_D]

hmm... what do they mean isn't as eye-clean as the other stone???

Yes, eye clean is sort of a dichotomous category.. is or is not.

 

[cara]

Well... different people have different eyes. And different definitions of eyeclean. But given one set of eyes and one definition, it should be a yes/no kind of deal.

 

[j450n]

The .81ct D SI1 is completely eyeclean from 8-10 inches with 20/20 vision from the top & side view--however, it is not quite as clean an SI1 as the .72ct E ACA. All three diamonds perform beautifully and are completely colorless. The actual size difference you will see between the .7ct & .8ct is approximately the thickness of 2 sheets of copy paper.

so is the 0.81 worth the extra hundreds of dollars or should i stick with the 0.72

 

[starryeyed]

How about any of these Expert Selections, which are still going to be gorgeous:

0.823 F SI-1 $3539 PS: http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2340004.htm

0.801 F VS2 $3754 PS: http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2378021.htm

0.817 F SI-1 $3386 PS: http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2347511.htm

Not to confuse you, but I don't understand why you are looking at D and E diamonds - they come at a premium and it seems you'd rather have size for your money. At this size, you are fine with an F or G - no need to spend the extra and give up size.

The WF ES diamonds can be traded in too.

 

[j450n]

hi starryeyed
thanks again for your responses.

had a talk to WF about those ones and they only reccoed one vs the 0.72ACA.

My priorities are:
Joint 1) Size and Cut
2) Colour
3) Clarity

It's a trade up between whats important as ACA = best cut, but then with the one you sent which they reccomend its got the size. They told me the size diff between a 0.7 and 0.8 is only 2 sheets of copy paper.. That isn't a lot! and i don't even think I could notice the difference... but Yes, for my budget I can go bigger, but I can't seem to find any ACA's thats bigger in my budget (regardless of colour and clarity). If they had a 0.8 ACA in G or H and SI eye clean and in my budget I would take it!

Just so you know their recco was on the 0.817.
What say you starryeyed?

Thanks

 

[rosetta]

I can most definitely tell the difference between an F and D when set, but only when side by side. The difference would not bother me at all, as I love the warmer colours. I would also recommend a plain setting if she's active, stones falling out are a real pain.

 

[antelope1]

also..proposal ideas. anything wrong with doing it underwater (scuba)... other than the risk factor of dropping it!?

Er. Maybe I don't understand Scuba diving, but how will she hear you propose? What are you going to do, just wave a ring at her and hope she notices? It won't sparkle under sea water (I don't think). And if you're going for white gold, aren't you worried about the salt water and the plating?

Perhaps I'm baised because I can't swim.

 

[starryeyed]

hi starryeyed
thanks again for your responses.

had a talk to WF about those ones and they only reccoed one vs the 0.72ACA.

My priorities are:
Joint 1) Size and Cut
2) Colour
3) Clarity

It's a trade up between whats important as ACA = best cut, but then with the one you sent which they reccomend its got the size. They told me the size diff between a 0.7 and 0.8 is only 2 sheets of copy paper.. That isn't a lot! and i don't even think I could notice the difference... but Yes, for my budget I can go bigger, but I can't seem to find any ACA's thats bigger in my budget (regardless of colour and clarity). If they had a 0.8 ACA in G or H and SI eye clean and in my budget I would take it!

Just so you know their recco was on the 0.817.
What say you starryeyed?

Thanks

Hi again j450n. You have to know in your heart which one seems right to you - this is a highly personal choice. Both E and F are considered "colorless" diamonds, but maybe ask if they are both solid in their color grade? The inclusions seem similar between the 0.72 and the 0.817 - is one more eye-clean? Just checking. If you're worried that the ES won't be as nice as the ACA, then get the ACA. You don't want to look at your future wife's finger and second guess yourself.

Could WF put the two side-by-side and take a picture or a video for you? That might answer the questions you have about the size and cut quality, but I'm not sure they do that. I'd want to know if I can see the size difference.

If you really feel you are close, can you "reserve" 1 or 2 diamonds? I'm so afraid of these beauties getting scooped up by a lurker!

 

[j450n]

decided to stick with the best cut possible and ...now debating about the size. both eye clean and the 0.81 being not as 'clean' as the 0.72 and size difference marginal.

starryeyed: thanks for that. ive asked to reserve these two:
they sent me an awesome guide (generic but roughly same size). ill attach below:
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamond ... 355082.htm
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamond ... 219639.htm





antelope: not much thought put into it yet either... but was thinking incorporating signs of some sort or ....just in a shell like someone suggested..but doesn't have the whole nice proposal speech about why i want to etc etc so might have to rethink the idea. need to get the ring first- and PSers can help me with that idea later! hahaa

rosetta: looking at a D and E stone atm so luckily not a G one for now..

 

[starryeyed]

j450n, I couldn't open the links?

 

[j450n]

sorry
it was these two:

0.81 D SI1 $3825 (PS Price)
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamond ... 219639.htm


0.72 E SI1$3047 (PS Price)
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamond ... 355082.htm

Whats the verdict?

Thanks

 

[starryeyed]

Seems like you've had some budget creep j450n? The 0.72 is well-within your budget, the 0.81 is not leaving you much for the setting.

If you plan on upgrading, keep the setting simple for now and get the bigger diamond. If you'd rather have a more elaborate setting and think she'll wear this diamond for a while, get the smaller diamond (unless you found a money tree in the backyard). I don't think you can go wrong with either one - they are both gorgeous!

That picture from WF showing the different size diamonds next to one another was useful. There's a difference, but it's slight from 0.7 to 0.8. Do you think it's worth the extra $800? I guess that's the question.

Glad you were able to reserve!

 

[starryeyed]

SOOOOOOO????? What have you decided j450n?

I noticed the 0.81 is marked "Sold"! Is that you???